Does a spare barrel need a serial number

amadablam

garrettod wrote: »

So what happens if someone ever wants to use one of the Mods on a different firearm to the one with the same serial number (be it a substiute firearm, if either firearm or mod has been sold on to a new owner etc) ?

That question was asked and duly ignored. To be honest, I'd never do this again. They were totally indifferent to the fact that the majority of moderators, don't have serial numbers and insisted they were imported under the serial number of the barrels. Maybe it's just an informality to them but it is totally wrong.

PSXDupe

amadablam wrote: »

That question was asked and duly ignored. To be honest, I'd never do this again. They were totally indifferent to the fact that the majority of moderators, don't have serial numbers and insisted they were imported under the serial number of the barrels. Maybe it's just an informality to them but it is totally wrong.

When you say "they" who are you talking about, is the girls in the DOJ that look after granting the import licences.

When I was importing my two moderators I rang them, very helpful people, told me exactly what to do, no serials needed, had the import permit in 2-ish weeks

Grizzly 45

1jay1 wrote: »

This is the part that was brought to my attention recently...

Part 1
Where a firearm to which the Directive applies is manufactured in the State, the unique marking shall comprise a human readable identification consisting of:

(a) the name of the manufacturer;

(b) the name of the State;

(c) the PULSE identification number of the manufacturer;

(d) the unique serial number of the firearm; and

(e) the year of manufacture (if not part of the serial number).

Example:
Alfa Firearms Limited
IRELAND 9999 001/2010

Part 2
Where the State is the place of import onto the Community market of a firearm to which the Directive applies, the unique marking shall comprise a human readable identification consisting of:

(a) the name of the manufacturer;

(b) the name of the country or place of manufacture;

(c) the unique serial number of the firearm; and

(d) the year of manufacture (if not part of the serial number).

Example:
Alfa Firearms Limited
NAME OF COUNTRY/PLACE OF MANUFACTURE 001/2010”.

Answers to this in the above bold text.. If you are making or selling a made product onto the EU market as an Irish gunsmith.Then YES you do have to add all the above info onto the gun to legally sell it. So all this gunsmith is doing by recovering the rifles is a CHA job...Nothing wrong with that,and maybe he should have known that before he sold the guns??

However there is NOTHING in all that that even remotely suggests you must have seperate after market barrels in the same caliber marked to the same gun. What happens if I sell say my Mossberg 500 deer barrel to another Mossberg 500 owner or swop it for his Mossberg goose gun 38 incher??

IF however they were made here by a local gunsmith,they would certainly have to have the above required EU info and serial number.

323

Tackleberry. wrote: »

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http://www.garda.ie/Documents/User/commissioners%20guidelines%20(as%20amended%2022nd%20oct)%20in%20relation%20to%20firearms%20licensing%5B1%5D.pdf

Many thanks for the clarification.

Not looked at that document in some time/years. Have been considering a second barrel, heavier/fluted in same caliber for an M03 and had difficulty getting a straight answer if could.
Thanks again

1jay1

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Answers to this in the above bold text.. If you are making or selling a made product onto the EU market as an Irish gunsmith.Then YES you do have to add all the above info onto the gun to legally sell it. So all this gunsmith is doing by recovering the rifles is a CHA job...Nothing wrong with that,and maybe he should have known that before he sold the guns??

However there is NOTHING in all that that even remotely suggests you must have seperate after market barrels in the same caliber marked to the same gun. What happens if I sell say my Mossberg 500 deer barrel to another Mossberg 500 owner or swop it for his Mossberg goose gun 38 incher??

IF however they were made here by a local gunsmith,they would certainly have to have the above required EU info and serial number.

So you reckon EVERY barrel that was chambered by a gunsmith in this country needs the above info stamped on it? That's nuts!! I have 2 identical actions so if I want to take the barrel off one action and license it on the other what am I supposed to do, get everything stamped again?

Grizzly 45

Under EU law ,if a gunsmith is making and/or selling a gun then YES...And its no big deal either.Every commercially made gun in the Western World has this info on it anyway for the last 50 years in some shape or form,[along with in most EU cases proof marks]
As you have two liscensed firearms with interchangeable barrells and the info is recorded on both.Its no problem if the barrels are swopped between the actions.Both are accountable for in the paperwork,and if they are of the same caliber its moot.Different story if they are different calibers.
EG if you had an AR style modular rifle.You could have multiple uppers in different designs for different shooting scenarios on the one liscense provided they are in the same caliber..Now ,if you had a gunsmith assemble them,they would have to put that info on the upper.If you built them yourself,you could skip that,but would you be running foul of the law in saying you are assembling firearms without a gun dealer or smith liscense??

1jay1

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Under EU law ,if a gunsmith is making and/or selling a gun then YES...And its no big deal either.Every commercially made gun in the Western World has this info on it anyway for the last 50 years in some shape or form,[along with in most EU cases proof marks]
As you have two liscensed firearms with interchangeable barrells and the info is recorded on both.Its no problem if the barrels are swopped between the actions.Both are accountable for in the paperwork,and if they are of the same caliber its moot.Different story if they are different calibers.
EG if you had an AR style modular rifle.You could have multiple uppers in different designs for different shooting scenarios on the one liscense provided they are in the same caliber..Now ,if you had a gunsmith assemble them,they would have to put that info on the upper.If you built them yourself,you could skip that,but would you be running foul of the law in saying you are assembling firearms without a gun dealer or smith liscense??

So even the assembling of parts needs to be done by the RFD? Which would mean if you bought a pre-chambered barrel, got your RFD to bring it in and then screwed it on yourself your breaking the law? Where does that leave everyone who's upgraded their 10/22s? Some lads would have had the barrels changed before it left the shop.

Grizzly 45

1jay1 wrote: »

So even the assembling of parts needs to be done by the RFD?

GREY AREA..Is it building an entire firearm that covered by the law or does it cover assemblying component parts as well? Or changing the barrel,does this fall under things like maintenence you can do yourself?? The law doesn't keep up with technological advances in firearms and never took into consideration things like Sako quads or the AR Hydra system[Where you literally only have a serial number on half of a AR lower.

Which would mean if you bought a pre-chambered barrel, got your RFD to bring it in and then screwed it on yourself your breaking the law? Where does that leave everyone who's upgraded their 10/22s? Some lads would have had the barrels changed before it left the shop.

Following the EXACT letter of the law ,yes.
However,this is the grey area as I mentioned above,and the get out would be.Can this job be done without tools? IOW can you,or was the gun built to do a barrel swop out without needing a GS to go near it from the word go?

Because our law is so vauge on these things and we have no definition of what a gunsmith is or the work needed to be covered under gunsmithing,I'd use the EU definition of work needed to be done by a GS.Anything that produces METAL spall,chips,filings,needs heat to work,or needs drilling,threading specialist tools of the trade or other metalwork to a firearm.

IOW do you need heat to sweat out the barrel and a special jig to do the job? If not,and its loosen two allen nuts and spinning out the barrel and replacing with another and tightning down the allen nuts,then I would say thats an accepted design allowing that exchange from the get go.

Buts thats my take on it...it might be completely different in reality.