A Charity You Respect ?

Geuze

ncmc wrote: »

My husband works in grocery retail, his store was approached by SVP some years back to provide vouchers that would be given to the needy. At the time, their shop didn’t do vouchers, so they were made up specially. He said it was disheartening to see how many of them were redeemed on tobacco, alcohol and lotto. They actually added a line to the T&C’s the next year that they were food only. I know SVP does an awful lot of good work, but as others have said, there are a lot of chancers and I’ve always been a bit slower to give to them since then. .

Yes, correct.

I would support long-term welfare payments being partly made on debit cards, which could not purchase bads like alcohol, tobacco, gambling, etc.

Not a popular opinion, though.

The Backwards Man

sbsquarepants wrote: »

That's over 200 million a year?

I had no idea they were that size!

There's a big sea from the top of the Shetland's to the bottom of the Channel Islands

sbsquarepants

The Backwards Man wrote: »

There's a big sea from the top of the Shetland's to the bottom of the Channel Islands

True. That's what makes them islands I suppose:D

Professor Moriarty

Would anyone have a take on Plan Ireland?

murpho999

murpho999 wrote: »

So what?

Do you realise how little money this is a for a CEO?

Do you see how big the RNLI is?

Do you not understand that they would not be as successful if not managed proplerly?

The notion that people should not be paid for working for a charity is ridiculous.

I didn't mention anything about not being paid.

I merely said Stg£150k is a nice wage. Here is the direct quote...

Deleted User wrote: »

CEO makes a nice Stg£150k per annum.

FixdePitchmark

RNLI are amazing what they do, but they are one of the best funded out there.

They are typically supported by the wealthy sailing community. Income £182 million.

I know you probably shouldn't compare charities - but some of the causes mentioned above are families with little or nothing. Is RNLI not just a support network for the sailing community ?

Sorry - maybe that is harsh. But we are talking here about families that will have little or no christmas - some with even food poverty.

kellyshell

The Backwards Man wrote: »

The SVP so good work but it's the chancers that abuse it that let it down, for every asshole that drunk their dole leaving no money for food for the wains there's a genuine case too proud or too ashamed to ask for help, but you can't blame the charity for that.


The RNLI is the only charity I donate to, apart from local community and sports organisations.

trust me it is not only the drunks that apply for it.................

I know plenty of "single mothers" who go crying that they have nothing, get hampers and €100 - €150 in vouchers and have live in partners......their combined income being the guts of €700 - €1000 a wk.

beechwood55

Alice Leahy Trust http://www.aliceleahytrust.ie/about/alice-leahy/

Brother Kevin Crowley http://www.capuchindaycentre.ie/Capuchin_Day_Centre_2013/Capuchin_Day_Centre_for_Homeless_People.html

Joe prim

Butters1979 wrote: »

Dog's Trust and ISPCA for me, I give monthly to both. I like dogs and can't stand animal cruelty. And as a bonus, instead of aggressive street collectors they tend to just sit around in Grafton street with a bunch of dogs you can play with.

I have to admit I haven't really researched exactly if they're dodgy at all. I hope not. Anyone know?

I recently stepped in some dogßhit, so I wouldn't give these lads the literal steam off my urine.

eviltwin

I volunteered with SVP. They do amazing work but unfortunately they do get taken advantage of. I left after seeing food parcels being given to people who were broke because they had bought a 400 Euro communion dress or an X Box for their child's birthday.

Butters1979

eviltwin wrote: »

I volunteered with SVP. They do amazing work but unfortunately they do get taken advantage of. I left after seeing food parcels being given to people who were broke because they had bought a 400 Euro communion dress or an X Box for their child's birthday.

If you ask me (which you didn't) the SVP subsidises the stupid and lazy more than help the actual poor.

steddyeddy

Butters1979 wrote: »

Dog's Trust and ISPCA for me, I give monthly to both. I like dogs and can't stand animal cruelty. And as a bonus, instead of aggressive street collectors they tend to just sit around in Grafton street with a bunch of dogs you can play with.

I have to admit I haven't really researched exactly if they're dodgy at all. I hope not. Anyone know?

I heard that the dogs actually spend the vet fees on drink.

mahoganygas

steddyeddy wrote:

I heard that the dogs actually spend the vet fees on drink.

I won't begrudge any dog who wants a couple of fags and a drink. Just because they're needy dogs doesn't mean they don't deserve a few cans at Christmas .

railer201

Salvation Army are a sound bunch IMO.

AndyBoBandy

"FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Is RNLI not just a support network for the sailing community ?

No,

They also rescue fishermen, hill walkers, swimmers, canoeists, animals, cruise ship passengers, cargo ship crew and many many others. They don't discriminate based on someone's wealth.

Not all sailors are wealthy, it is quite easy to sail on a budget, in a dinghy.

sbsquarepants

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

No,

They also rescue fishermen, hill walkers, swimmers, canoeists, animals, cruise ship passengers, cargo ship crew and many many others. They don't discriminate based on someone's wealth.

Not all sailors are wealthy, it is quite easy to sail on a budget, in a dinghy.

In a life boat?:eek:

AndyBoBandy

sbsquarepants wrote: »

In a life boat?:eek:

Yes, surprisingly enough some hills are located next to the sea, and sometimes people fall off hills and end up in the water, or on a beach/rocks only accessible by the water.

sbsquarepants

Ah, hill fallers, I'm with you:D

Lollipops23

My charity of choice would be Aoibheann's Pink Tie- they help struggling families of children with cancer.
I have a family member whose 11 year old daughter battled (and thankfully beat) leukamia in recent years; APT did things like pay their motor tax for a year, and even sent them to EuroDisney when her treatment came to an end.
They're all about easing the burden; having a sick child is an expensive business. Just ferrying her to and from appointments added up- fuel, tolls etc. They're not a well-off family, so it did hit them in the pocket-but obviously the bills were the last thing on their minds for 2 years of treatment.

Can't say enough great things about them.

AndyBoBandy

even if they don't hit the water and end up on a cliff where a rescue helicopter can retrieve them, water support will still most likely be required

Aye Bosun

[Deleted User] wrote: »

CEO makes a nice Stg£150k per annum.

The ceo manages an annual fund of over £147million, compare that salary to other charity ceo's and the fund they manage and that is pittance!

Less than 1% of people involved in the rnli are paid, over 82c in a Euro is used for lifesaving..this is one of the best ratios of any charity in Ireland or the uk or world wild.

black & white

For me it's RNLI and Samaritans only, good causes and only a handful of paid people.

Lackey

Enable Ireland,
they are invaluable to a very ill little lady close to me, when the HSE regularly fall short.
SVP
A local hospice.
RNLI

Ave Sodalis

Crumlin and Make A Wish.

Crumlin saved my brothers life when he had cancer at 2. He was diagnosed on his second birthday so the day before, they baked a cake and allowed the whole family in for a party. The cake was huge so most of it was given out to the rest of the ward. It wasn't even the cancer ward he was in because that was completely full.

Make A Wish for similar reasons. It took us all to Orlando, with entry and passes to all the theme parks, and stay in a fantastic place called Give Kids the World. It was genuinely an unforgettable experience.

I like to give back what I can when they gave us so much.

laugh

I only give to Barretstown at the moment.

mickmac76

I support the Irish Motor Neuron Disease Association who do very good work on a small budget and the local hospice who have a tough job. Couldn't do that work myself.

mick.

flazio

Any charity working towards reducing suicide. Pieta House, Samaritins, etc.

FixdePitchmark

Aye Bosun wrote: »

The ceo manages an annual fund of over £147million, compare that salary to other charity ceo's and the fund they manage and that is pittance!

Less than 1% of people involved in the rnli are paid, over 82c in a Euro is used for lifesaving..this is one of the best ratios of any charity in Ireland or the uk or world wild.

I still think the RNLI is a very wealthy charity and the contributions they get are typically from people making that lifestyle choice. The RNLI raise amongst their own community for themselves and that is fair enough. They do great work, rescue anyone - but it is really a support of your own lifestyle.

I personally am not a fan of charities that try provide a parallel service to our own health service.
We all know we need 2 new major centralised hospitals - do it politically or by tax -not by raising cash from the public.

Very interested in MSF and other charities in the local extreme poverty situations.

I myself couldn't support animals before humans. Maybe in the neutering area - there are so many people out there that simply should not have dogs.
I'd support something that would take these dogs away.

Interesting posts and opinions.

FixdePitchmark

flazio wrote: »

Any charity working towards reducing suicide. Pieta House, Samaritins, etc.

I personally think - they have been incredibly supported already.

AndyBoBandy

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

I still think the RNLI is a very wealthy charity and the contributions they get are typically from people making that lifestyle choice. The RNLI raise amongst their own community for themselves and that is fair enough. They do great work, rescue anyone - but it is really a support of your own lifestyle.

utter nonsense.

I like going to the beach, and in some cases for a swim, does that put me a class above someone who doesn't?

so the fishermen that go to sea to catch fish are doing it because they like going out in storms? or are they doing it because the opportunities for employment are limited in their area, and fishing provides a source of income?

Stonedpilot

St Vincent de Paul

sbsquarepants

Butters1979 wrote: »

If you ask me (which you didn't) the SVP subsidises the stupid and lazy more than help the actual poor.

It's always been that way - anywhere that basically operates on a "free money, who wants some?" basis is bound to be taken for a ride. The place is a joke, funded by people who want to "feel" like they're helping without actually giving much of a toss whether they are or not.

It's similar to giving money to the church so they can feed the poor and needy, without questioning the unimaginable stockpile of wealth they hoard in their own private country!

AgileMyth

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

RNLI are amazing what they do, but they are one of the best funded out there.

They are typically supported by the wealthy sailing community. Income £182 million.

I know you probably shouldn't compare charities - but some of the causes mentioned above are families with little or nothing. Is RNLI not just a support network for the sailing community ?

Sorry - maybe that is harsh. But we are talking here about families that will have little or no christmas - some with even food poverty.

Ask that question when you fall off a bridge on your way home some night..

We are an island nation, you don't need to sail to end up in trouble in the water.

My dad was a helm with the RNLI for years. The hours they put in, as volunteers, is staggering.

Jawgap

Deleted User wrote: »

CEO makes a nice Stg£150k per annum.

It's a lot, but it's not much

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

I still think the RNLI is a very wealthy charity and the contributions they get are typically from people making that lifestyle choice. The RNLI raise amongst their own community for themselves and that is fair enough. They do great work, rescue anyone - but it is really a support of your own lifestyle.

.......

You really think a deckhand on a fishing vessel earning minimum wage who gets washed overboard is engaging in a lifestyle choice? Or the crew of some third world flagged cargo ship that founders?

Plus the RNLI are, unfortunately, often engaged in recovery instead of rescue helping to bring some closure to grieving families instead of leaving bodies for the sea to claim.

I always thought it was altruism at its finest what they do - they often go out in conditions where they are the 'last responder' - in other words if they screw up there's no one left to come rescue them.

cbreeze

YES to: RNLI, Simon, Capuchin Day Centre, St Francis Hospice, Fr Peter McVerry

Dodge: any charity employing 'chuggers' on the street, such as Concern, Amnesty; people with only one copy of a magazine (which they won't give you), people selling lines for 'drugs awareness' who go round pubs

Glenster

Yes; Charities that want your time as much as want your money - Simon springs to mind, local charities, charities that are collecting for a specific thing.

No - Charities that only want your money, charities that let people go into pubs to collect, charities that knock on your door, charities that use kids to collect.

Pherekydes

Touch Ireland is run entirely by volunteers who take nothing from donations and I know one of the guys who runs it, so I support them.

The other is ABI Ireland (strictly speaking a business) which started out as a charity called the Peter Bradley Foundation, mainly because my son's a beneficiary.

sbsquarepants

Pherekydes wrote: »

Touch Ireland is run entirely by volunteers who take nothing from donations and I know one of the guys who runs it, so I support them.

The other is ABI Ireland (strictly speaking a business) which started out as a charity called the Peter Bradley Foundation, mainly because my son's a beneficiary.

Not to be confused with AIB which is also technically a business, but in reality only survives on handouts.

Austria!

Surprised that people are ok with supporting a charity where the CEO makes £150k. For that to be ok, you'd have to think that you couldn't get someone to do that job just as well for only €70,000.

The_Valeyard

I always give to SVP

murpho999

Austria! wrote: »

Surprised that people are ok with supporting a charity where the CEO makes £150k. For that to be ok, you'd have to think that you couldn't get someone to do that job just as well for only €70,000.

Why, should they get a cheaper CEO who may not be as effective and beneficial for the organisation as one €70k.

A good CEO will more than pay his way with revenues they will bring to the charity to provide whatever service/support that they offer.

I don't get why people do not understand this and get uptight about it.

Charities have to compete with commercial organisations for its staff.

AndyBoBandy

Austria! wrote: »

Surprised that people are ok with supporting a charity where the CEO makes £150k. For that to be ok, you'd have to think that you couldn't get someone to do that job just as well for only €70,000.

You could I'm sure, but would they have the experience and expertise to run the charity as it needs to be run?

IMO for £150k, and the way the charity is run, they are getting a bargain.

It wasnt long ago that a charity here paid it's chief exec €240,000, a charity that generated €10,000 surplus out of €4,000,000 of lottery ticket sales!!


But yeah, lets slate the salary of the chief exec of one of the best run charities in the world.

Jawgap

Austria! wrote: »

Surprised that people are ok with supporting a charity where the CEO makes £150k. For that to be ok, you'd have to think that you couldn't get someone to do that job just as well for only €70,000.

Doubt it. It may be a charity but if it didn't exist and was replaced with a paid-for service (e.g. a hugely expanded coastguard) you'd pay a lot more for someone to head that up.

Put it this way - the guy who is CEO is an ex-Vice Admiral in the RN, who previously served as Director-General Logistics (Fleet), Chief of Fleet Support, Deputy Commander-in-Chief Fleet, and Chief Naval Warfare Officer.

Eminently qualified to run a sea-based life saving service scattered around these islands wouldn't you say? He could probably earn multiples of that in a less stressful job with some shipping line or military contractor.

Current salary for a Vice Admiral in the RN is £155k.


This is from their website.....

The RNLI has worked hard to ensure reward for all staff is fair and appropriate, benchmarking against the charity and commercial sectors. Our priority is to attract the best candidates and get the right person in the right role at all levels of the RNLI.

The chief executive's pay review and any subsequent pay award is part of the same collective pay and approval process that applies to all other staff and he had the same pension arrangements, including contribution levels, as all other staff whilst he was a member of the scheme. The chief executive has access to an RNLI-funded car, in line with the policy for those who are required to undertake significant travel for the charity. The salary is determined by a sub-committee of the Board of Trustees, all of whom are unpaid.

In some respects it is difficult to compare the RNLI to other charities. We have tens of thousands of volunteers, lifeboat crew, lifeguards, fundraisers and others dedicated to saving lives at sea in a highly professional, technologically advanced and often risky business.

Our increasingly sophisticated lifesaving operation encompasses lifeboats, lifeguards, flood rescue, international, fundraising, engineering, boatbuilding, safety and education. We are a professional emergency service.

atticu

Irish Guide Dogs.

For the work that they do with the dogs, that allows the dogs to do what they do.

railer201

AgileMyth wrote: »

Ask that question when you fall off a bridge on your way home some night..

We are an island nation, you don't need to sail to end up in trouble in the water.

My dad was a helm with the RNLI for years. The hours they put in, as volunteers, is staggering.

When we're all tucked up in our beds, these guys get called out, sometimes in storm force conditions, on missions to rescue those in peril on the sea, with no guarantee they will return themselves. They really are exceptionally cool and courageous people.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

The Simon Community
The Merchants Quay project

Also the Civil Service Third World Fund as I know people who work for it and every penny goes to the Third World, and all on sustainable projects.

satguy

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

It wasnt long ago that a charity here paid it's chief exec €240,000, a charity that generated €10,000 surplus out of €4,000,000 of lottery ticket sales!!


But yeah, lets slate the salary of the chief exec of one of the best run charities in the world.

They may have asked Miss Piggy to move on,,, But the damage that woman caused to the reputations of Irish run charities lives on..

Arrow in the Knee

I never knew the RNLI was such a popular charity.

AndyBoBandy

Arrow in the Knee wrote: »

I never knew the RNLI was such a popular charity.

Well, they are good at what they do, they are honest, they are transparent, and they don't piss away donations on personal spend.

They are probably the only one I would have any time for.

FixdePitchmark

Arrow in the Knee wrote: »

I never knew the RNLI was such a popular charity.

Big with the sailing crowd.

Do great work - but not short of money.

Can someone clear up - what the coast guard do V RNLI.

And life guards - they part of RNLI ?