Everton vs Liverpool, 8pm, Sky Sports 1

5starpool · 19-12-2016 11:39am #1

The so called 'Mersey Monday' has arrived. Both teams got very positive results last time around so will have tails up, but Everton haven't won in the last 12 derbies so will really want to prove a point, and also to put a dent in Liverpool's chances of catching Chelsea.

If Liverpool play well in this game I'm pretty confident of a win, but if Everton can have a similar level of blood and thunder as against Arsenal then they can disrupt Liverpool's fluid attacking play. There are enough examples out there to show that it can be done, but it is up to Klopp and his team to show that they can resist when teams do that, and retain control of the game.

This could be anything from 2-0 to 2-5 really I think. My prediction is 1-2, but not with any overwhelming confidence. I think both teams will score anyhow as neither will set up to be too defensive and neither have been particularly good at defending overall. This probably means a dour 0-0 but I reckon there are goals in it.

OwaynOTT · 19-12-2016 11:44am

Mersey Monday, god help us all.

19-12-2016 11:46am

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Mersey Monday, god help us all.

I thought Red Monday was bad
Can't think of the other cringe-tastic one from Sky, driving me mad. Kudos to somebody who remembers

5starpool · 19-12-2016 11:59am

I can't see this being as dour as 'Red Monday' anyhow.

Johner · 19-12-2016 12:04pm

3-2 Liverpool.

ArmaniJeanss · 19-12-2016 12:05pm

M!Ck^ wrote: »

I thought Red Monday was bad
Can't think of the other cringe-tastic one from Sky, driving me mad. Kudos to somebody who remembers

Maybe Grand Slam Sunday when the Top 4 are playing each other?
Judgement Day for title deciders (usually in February).
Survival Sunday for relegation battles.

MagicIRL · 19-12-2016 12:14pm

After a sensationalist build up by Sky Sports, a dull 0-0 or 1-1.

niallo27 · 19-12-2016 12:15pm

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Mersey Monday, god help us all.

I think Mersey Monday is a bit harmless myself. It is Monday and it is on Merseyside.

martyos121 · 19-12-2016 12:28pm

niallo27 wrote: »

I think Mersey Monday is a bit harmless myself. It is Monday and it is on Merseyside.

I once had a dodgy curry on a Friday night and spent the entirety of the next day in the bathroom. Doesn't mean I called it Scutter Saturday though.

Although that incident does come to mind when I hear "Mersey Monday".

brevity · 19-12-2016 1:02pm

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Mersey Monday, god help us all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dg3SVOM9cc

Vicxas · 19-12-2016 1:16pm

I really wish Everton werent unbeaten at home.... makes this a lot less clear cut.

Knex* · 19-12-2016 1:32pm

Vicxas wrote: »

I really wish Everton werent unbeaten at home.... makes this a lot less clear cut.

If its any consolation, I think we lose tonight.

Red Kev · 19-12-2016 1:34pm

Head-to-head

This will be the 227th Merseyside derby in all competitions - and 195th in the league. Liverpool lead by 74 league wins to Everton's 57, with 63 draws
Liverpool are unbeaten in 11 league meetings with Everton (W4, D7)
The Toffees's 2-0 home victory in October 2010 is their only win in the past 19 attempts (D9, L9)
However, the past four matches between these sides at Goodison Park have all ended in draws
This fixture has seen more red cards than any other in the history of the PL - 21

Everton

Everton's win over Arsenal on Tuesday was their first in six matches (D2, L3) and just their second in 11 league games (D4, L5)
However, they are unbeaten in 11 league matches at Goodison Park (W6, D5), with their last defeat coming on 19 March against Arsenal
The Toffees have recovered 11 points from losing positions in the Premier League this season, more than any other club prior to the latest round of matches
Ronald Koeman's side have scored a goal in the final five minutes in four of their past five Premier League matches - three of these have changed the outcome of the match

Liverpool

Liverpool have only lost one of their previous 14 league matches (W9, D4)
They have kept three clean sheets in their past five league games, after managing just one in their first 11 matches of the season
The Reds have scored 40 league goals so far this season, their best return after 16 games in a top-flight campaign since 1978-79 [also 40]. They won the title that season
Adam Lallana has been involved in 12 Premier League goals this season, more than any other English player [six goals, six assists].

SAM's verdict

Most probable score: 1-1
Probability of draw: 25%
Probability of home win: 34%
Probability of away win: 41%

SAM (Sports Analytics Machine) is a super-computer created by @ProfIanMcHale at the University of Salford that is used to predict the outcome of football matches.

KaiserGunner · 19-12-2016 1:38pm

M!Ck^ wrote: »

I thought Red Monday was bad
Can't think of the other cringe-tastic one from Sky, driving me mad. Kudos to somebody who remembers

I think the one you're thinking of was REUNITED when Man Utd played Arsenal.

Laois_Man · 19-12-2016 1:47pm

If Everton show up for a battle similar to the 2nd half last Tuesday night, Everton will win.

The worry is that Everton haven't got a good recent record of stringing 2 good halves together.

Utopia Parkway · 19-12-2016 2:19pm

Liverpool have such a good record in the derby over the past decade you almost feel Everton a due a win. However Liverpool are a better side although an evening kick off means Goodison will be hopping tonight with the home fans screaming for handballs, free-kicks and penalties from the outset. Can see yet another obligatory Merseyside derby red card for someone.

19-12-2016 2:28pm

KaiserGunner wrote: »

I think the one you're thinking of was REUNITED when Man Utd played Arsenal.

Cheers, that's the one. Awful from Sky

Virtanen · 19-12-2016 4:02pm

I'm waiting for Tyne-Wear Tuesday when Newcastle get promoted

martyos121 · 19-12-2016 4:06pm

Virtanen wrote: »

I'm waiting for Tyne-Wear Tuesday when Newcastle get promoted

Won't be much good next season when Sunderland are in the championship.

Tyne-Tees Tuesday is the one to watch next year.

niallo27 · 19-12-2016 4:22pm

martyos121 wrote: »

I once had a dodgy curry on a Friday night and spent the entirety of the next day in the bathroom. Doesn't mean I called it Scutter Saturday though.

Although that incident does come to mind when I hear "Mersey Monday".

Well If you wanted to entice millions of people to watch it, I think it would quiet a brilliant name.

martyos121 · 19-12-2016 4:33pm

niallo27 wrote: »

Well If you wanted to entice millions of people to watch it, I think it would quiet a brilliant name.

I'll invest in a webcam then. Some weirdos will pay to see anything I guess. :pac:

Mr. FoggPatches · 19-12-2016 4:34pm

Virtanen wrote: »

I'm waiting for Tyne-Wear Tuesday when Newcastle get promoted

lawred2 · 19-12-2016 4:36pm

Campbell Jeffers Anfield derby is still my favourite derby memory

Red Kev · 19-12-2016 5:14pm

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Mersey Monday, god help us all.

Virtanen wrote: »

I'm waiting for Tyne-Wear Tuesday when Newcastle get promoted

Sheffield Wednesday Wednesday
Triffic Thurso v Thurston Thursday
Fab Fridaythorpe v Friday Bridge Friday
Super Sunbury v Sunderland Sunday

Jayop · 19-12-2016 6:11pm

Can't see anything other than a handy enough Liverpool win. While everton played well last week after they went behind, their real level is how they had played for the first 20 minutes. They're useless and Liverpool would need to really underperform to balls up taking 3 points here.

martyos121 · 19-12-2016 6:14pm

Jayop wrote: »

Can't see anything other than a handy enough Liverpool win. While everton played well last week after they went behind, their real level is how they had played for the first 20 minutes. They're useless and Liverpool would need to really underperform to balls up taking 3 points here.

Never underestimate us. We can balls up any game.

K-9 · 19-12-2016 6:15pm

Well Liverpool haven't been great either since Coutinho got injured, Boro was better but they were terrible.

Jayop · 19-12-2016 6:18pm

martyos121 wrote: »

Never underestimate us. We can balls up any game.

Here's hoping!!

niallo27 · 19-12-2016 6:19pm

Jayop wrote: »

Can't see anything other than a handy enough Liverpool win. While everton played well last week after they went behind, their real level is how they had played for the first 20 minutes. They're useless and Liverpool would need to really underperform to balls up taking 3 points here.

Unbeaten at home all season though. That cannot be underestimated.

Jayop · 19-12-2016 6:28pm

niallo27 wrote: »

Unbeaten at home all season though. That cannot be underestimated.

spurs draw
Yeovil (win in league cup)
Stoke win
Boro win
Norwich (lost in league cup)
Palace draw
WestHam win
Swansea draw
United draw
Arsenal win

In the league
4 wins
4 draws

Really the only impressive result in there is the win against Arsenal. The draw against United they played absolute garbage and we make a meal of putting them away and rightly got punished. The wins at home have been against crap sides really.

In all honesty Liverpool should be beating these with ease and if it was any other side but your derby neighbours you'd be just as confident.

niallo27 · 19-12-2016 6:35pm

Jayop wrote: »

spurs draw
Yeovil (win in league cup)
Stoke win
Boro win
Norwich (lost in league cup)
Palace draw
WestHam win
Swansea draw
United draw
Arsenal win

In the league
4 wins
4 draws

Really the only impressive result in there is the win against Arsenal. The draw against United they played absolute garbage and we make a meal of putting them away and rightly got punished. The wins at home have been against crap sides really.

In all honesty Liverpool should be beating these with ease and if it was any other side but your derby neighbours you'd be just as confident.

Fair points. Drawing with spurs was a decent result as well though. They were always in the game against utd despite not playing. It's a night game they will be up for it.