Parking outside someone's house for days

railer201 · 22-12-2016 8:40pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

It raises an interesting question though, about why we dedicate so much public space to storage of private property (cars). If I decide that I need space to store my collection of vintage Star Trek magazines, can I insist on the Council providing some public space to accomodate me? How does this policy discriminate against non-car owners?

That's why we pay motor tax so we can put our cars on the road, either in motion or not in motion. It's not free, motorists are paying through the nose for it. Add in VRT, fuel excise duty and VAT to motor tax also, just to get the picture of how motorists more than pay their way.

InTheTrees · 22-12-2016 9:48pm

Pinch Flat wrote: »

People seem to have this weird idea that they own the road space outside their own property.

I know. What a strange thread.

What are these people thinking? that the street outside is their own personal parking space? Thats just not how it works.

weldoninhio · 22-12-2016 11:07pm

eigrod wrote: »

It is absolutely selfish because they are only thinking of their own convenience and not anybody else's inconvenience.

As the OP stated, there is a neutral area very close where they could've parked. The owner of the property has no idea how long the space outside her home is going to be unavailable to her. Unselfishness is about thinking of others.

The space OUTSIDE her home has nothing to do with her. Why should it be readily available to her???

weldoninhio · 22-12-2016 11:09pm

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Where I live there is chaos among the locals over spaces. I often have to park 200 yards away as 99% of the time the spaces out side my house will be taken, as will the spaces outside around 100 or so local houses. Reason begin, I'm beside a Lidl, many Apartment complexes, the Luas and a road with seven major bus routes and so these spots get snapped asap. Some people come here at 5am to park so they can then get a Luas or a bus into town (three minutes away).

I have had my window wipers snapped off for parking on one of the roads around here when I couldn't get parking outside my own place. Received an apology on the grape vine over it as I had just switched cars and so it was presumed I was living in one of the local apartments. Vans have had their windows kicked in on the same road. Have seen many rows over parking spots. You will often see someone immediately open a door when someone parks here and they'll be asked where they are from. Wouldn't mind but Lidl has a car park and presumably the apartments are all allocated spots in their underground car parks, of which they all have.

As for disc parking, very few roads have been made such in recent times apparently and we've had many petitions handed in since the apartments were built and Lidl opened. Some people have signs in their window saying residents only and others even resort to putting traffic cones outside their window, but they're usually moved.

Tbh I think it's a council issue. If you're living somewhere that is going to mean you are regularly competing with other local apartment owners or customers from local shops, just to park outside your own home, then the council needs to protect those spots for people and make it disc parking. That's why all the estates surrounding Dundrum Shopping Centre were made disc parking shortly after it opened and also why you don't see too many free parking spots in city centre.

People are only human at the end of the day and if parking spots exist a short ride from where they'll be fleeced if they parked there, then naturally they will take advantage. I do it myself on to or three roads in town that have no parking metres. Damn spots are hard to get though.

Sorry, but it's not clear from above. When you bought your house was a parking spot part of the transaction?? As in home and parking spot, my friend lives in a private estate and he got 2 spots with his house.

FixdePitchmark · 22-12-2016 11:10pm

Selfish people are selfish.

Imagine parking your car outside someones house - then going on a holiday.

Charlie 123 · 22-12-2016 11:16pm

Try living beside a man who has 6 cars none of witch are taxed or insured all bangers and a mini bus he uses for work fair enough all taking up what little space there is in the street

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mad m · 22-12-2016 11:46pm

@Op

By any chance does your mother have a disability? Apply for a disabled parking spot outside her house? Either that then buy a gallon of yellow chlorinated rubber paint and do it yourself

Lia_lia · 23-12-2016 12:50am

I live on a street with disc parking. Have a residents parking permit that means I can park in the general area but means nothing really. I often end up parking outside of my permit area. Or else sit in the car and wait for someone to leave.

There are never traffic wardens where around where I live. I have lived here for almost 4 years and not once have a seen a traffic warden on the street. So loads of people park their cars on the street and don't bother getting discs. It's about a 10 minute walk from the city centre (Cork!). Often see cars parked for a couple of weeks (probably people on their holidays).

Tradesmen also park their vans on the street and often save spaces using traffic cones...people were moving the cones so now they are using bags of cement to save spaces. Been onto the council about it but they are useless...

/rant

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 23-12-2016 1:02am

givyjoe wrote: »

It doesn't give anyone any entitlement to be an ignorant d!ck. Dumping your car outside a randomer's house for days/weeks on end (because you are cheap) is being an ignorant d1ck.

Nah, it's not

Being a dick is thinking you are entitled to the road in front of your house. Get over it

railer201 wrote: »

I was referring to people* who just don't like cars parking outside their house, in what they deem to be their* spot. A solution would be to legislate a maximum parking period, after which the car may be towed away.

But what would the maximum parking period be? 1 week? 6 months? What if somebody just doesn't want to drive?

railer201 · 23-12-2016 9:39am

Bo Ugly Venus wrote: »

Nah, it's not Being a dick is thinking you are entitled to the road in front of your house. Get over it

But what would the maximum parking period be? 1 week? 6 months? What if somebody just doesn't want to drive?

From a week upwards depending on whether it's pointedly persistent or repetitive, as in claiming a spot as their own, while they fly off on their holidays or whatever. Someone who doesn't want to drive should really consider continuing with car ownership as it would be cheaper to hire a car or use a taxi. Another solution to break a bad habit would be to order a skip, to take over the parking place and 'do a bit of tidying up' over a week or two.

weldoninhio · 23-12-2016 10:08am

railer201 wrote: »

From a week upwards depending on whether it's pointedly persistent or repetitive, as in claiming a spot as their own, while they fly off on their holidays or whatever. Someone who doesn't want to drive should really consider continuing with car ownership as it would be cheaper to hire a car or use a taxi. Another solution to break a bad habit would be to order a skip, to take over the parking place and 'do a bit of tidying up' over a week or two.

What are the legalities of leaving a skip on the side of a public road??

Edit: You need to apply for a permit and it's €27 a day.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 23-12-2016 10:22am

weldoninhio wrote: »

But anyone with motor insurance IS entitled to do it. That's actually one of the perks you get with motor tax. What an arsehole parking legally within the rules of the road.

Just because you're 'entitled' to do something, doesn't necessarily mean it's not inconsiderate or annoying to other people.

Wanderer78 · 23-12-2016 10:24am

I'd park a car outside the house during the day to block others trying, but op may not have that option

weldoninhio · 23-12-2016 10:24am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

I'd park a car outside the house during the day to block others trying, but op may not have that option

But that's "selfish" and "inconsiderate"

weldoninhio · 23-12-2016 10:28am

Mitchell Jolly Swimsuit wrote: »

Just because you're 'entitled' to do something, doesn't necessarily mean it's not inconsiderate or annoying to other people.

I still don't understand how a car parked legally, unobstructively is inconsiderate or annoying. Going from the OP the lady in the house doesn't even have a car, it's never mentioned that she herself can't park there.

She wants it free on the off chance she gets a visitor, THAT in my eyes is selfish and inconsiderate, putting a claim on something you don't own and don't even use, just in case someone comes to visit.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 23-12-2016 10:30am

whoopsadoodles wrote: »

What if she doesn't have a driveway?

As I pointed out earlier, the house my folks live in doesn't even have a front garden, let alone a driveway.

At what point do they become cocks if they've headed off on hols? a weekend? a bank holiday weekend? a fortnight?

If you don't have a driveway, obviously you have no choice but to leave your car on the road when going on holidays. But you're leaving it on a road where the neighbours know you, know who the car belongs to, and can contact you or a family member if the alarm is going off, the car needs to be moved to allow access to the house for some reason etc.

Totally different from a stranger just leaving their car there for a couple of weeks, with no contact details and no notion of when they'll be coming back and moving it - a week, a month, two months??

Wanderer78 · 23-12-2016 10:32am

weldoninhio wrote:

But that's "selfish" and "inconsiderate"

Maybe but sometimes it works, I'm afraid, sometimes doing the 'right thing' doesn't work. It's very ignorant parking outside somebody's house long-term, when there's designated paid parking for your needs. I've had a similarish experience and that's what I done, problem solved. No guilt

weldoninhio · 23-12-2016 10:33am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Maybe but sometimes it works, I'm afraid, sometimes doing the 'right thing' doesn't work. It's very ignorant parking outside somebody's house long-term, when there's designated paid parking for your needs. I've had a similarish experience and that's what I done, problem solved. No guilt

You pay road tax to park on the road.

Wanderer78 · 23-12-2016 10:42am

weldoninhio wrote:

You pay road tax to park on the road.

True, but as said, sometimes doing the 'right thing' isn't covered by law but can in fact be morally right. The 'offenders' in this case are morally wrong, but are covered under law. Not all rules and laws are morally correct. 'Offenders' in this case are arseholes, I would not dream of doing this to a home owner, people have enough **** to be dealing with in life. There's designated parking for their needs, just pay the money

railer201 · 23-12-2016 10:48am

It's all on a first up best dressed basis, clearly the 'flier' has found him/herself a nice parking space in what seems like a quiet area, so he/she can jet off and avoid airport charges. However, that is not his/her space anymore than it is the adjacent house owner's. Unfortunately some people have a fetish for wringing the maximum freebies they can get out any particular situation - however that's life. If it bugged me to such an extent I'd park a car or a skip there just to head the nuisance off. Parking a car up like that to fly off for a week or two is taking the p1ss ok.

weldoninhio · 23-12-2016 10:54am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

True, but as said, sometimes doing the 'right thing' isn't covered by law but can in fact be morally right. The 'offenders' in this case are morally wrong, but are covered under law. Not all rules and laws are morally correct. 'Offenders' in this case are arseholes, I would not dream of doing this to a home owner, people have enough **** to be dealing with in life. There's designated parking for their needs, just pay the money

But in the OP the homeowner doesn't even have a car!!!

weldoninhio · 23-12-2016 10:56am

railer201 wrote: »

It's all on a first up best dressed basis, clearly the 'flier' has found him/herself a nice parking space in what seems like a quiet area, so he/she can jet off and avoid airport charges. However, that is not his/her space anymore than it is the adjacent house owner's. Unfortunately some people have a fetish for wringing the maximum freebies they can get out any particular situation - however that's life. If it bugged me to such an extent I'd park a car or a skip there just to head the nuisance off. Parking a car up like that to fly off for a week or two is taking the p1ss ok.

So pay €27 a day to make a point?? Also where can I get one of those crystal balls that tell you when someone is gonna park up in front of your house?? Do they tell you anything else??

Fighting Tao · 23-12-2016 10:57am

weldoninhio wrote: »

You pay road tax to park on the road.

No one pays road tax since around 1937.

I don't see what the problem is except for a sense of entitlement from the home owner.

weldoninhio · 23-12-2016 11:02am

Fighting Tao wrote: »

No one pays road tax since around 1937.

I don't see what the problem is except for a sense of entitlement from the home owner.

Sorry, meant motor tax.

railer201 · 23-12-2016 11:04am

weldoninhio wrote: »

So pay €27 a day to make a point?? Also where can I get one of those crystal balls that tell you when someone is gonna park up in front of your house?? Do they tell you anything else??

It would cost me nothing, I'd park my car on the road - problem solved. Cars park continuously outside my house, but they're tenants of an adjacent rented property so it doesn't bother me. In fact there's a lot more important things in my life to be getting on with.

weldoninhio · 23-12-2016 11:10am

railer201 wrote: »

It would cost me nothing, I'd park my car on the road - problem solved. Cars park continuously outside my house, but they're tenants of an adjacent rented property so it doesn't bother me. In fact there's a lot more important things in my life to be getting on with.

You said a car or a skip, the adjacent property or your house has no claim on the public road. We are getting to the crux of it now, it's people's sense of entitlement that's at the bottom of this. It's outside my house so it's mine. Even though you have no claim on it, quite pathetic and childish in all honesty.

railer201 · 23-12-2016 11:17am

weldoninhio wrote: »

You said a car or a skip, the adjacent property or your house has no claim on the public road. We are getting to the crux of it now, it's people's sense of entitlement that's at the bottom of this. It's outside my house so it's mine. Even though you have no claim on it, quite pathetic and childish in all honesty.

Oh dear - toys out of the pram ! - you're simply not listening, so we'll leave it there, bar the usual 'know it all boardsie riposte' which will follow now, as sure as night follows day.

Teyla Emmagan · 23-12-2016 11:34am

I would love a spare car that I could use to tip off inconsiderately parked cars. Just to give em an old scratch or broken taillight.

It would be illegal of course, but very satisfying.

My Dad was giving me a lift somewhere a while ago and when we got to the car some selfish tool had parked so close to the driver's door it couldn't be opened (to give themselves 2 foot to get out on their own side). My Dad is no longer agile enough to be climbing in from the passenger side. If I hadn't been there he would have been waiting hours for the tosser to come back. People are shocking at times.

Wanderer78 · 23-12-2016 11:37am

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

I would love a spare car that I could use to tip off inconsiderately parked cars. Just to give em an old scratch or broken taillight.

It would be illegal of course, but very satisfying.

My Dad was giving me a lift somewhere a while ago and when we got to the car some selfish tool had parked so close to the driver's door it couldn't be opened (to give themselves 2 foot to get out on their own side). My Dad is no longer agile enough to be climbing in from the passenger side. If I hadn't been there he would have been waiting hours for the tosser to come back. People are shocking at times.

noam chomskys use of the term 'atomisation', is just perfect!

weldoninhio · 23-12-2016 11:45am

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

I would love a spare car that I could use to tip off inconsiderately parked cars. Just to give em an old scratch or broken taillight.

It would be illegal of course, but very satisfying.

My Dad was giving me a lift somewhere a while ago and when we got to the car some selfish tool had parked so close to the driver's door it couldn't be opened (to give themselves 2 foot to get out on their own side). My Dad is no longer agile enough to be climbing in from the passenger side. If I hadn't been there he would have been waiting hours for the tosser to come back. People are shocking at times.

There's a difference between what you have described above and parking legally, without blocking anyone in or causing any obstruction to anyone.

minikin · 23-12-2016 12:07pm

Blatant abandonmentness of cars, ye can't be doing that lads!

ScumLord · 23-12-2016 3:05pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

You said a car or a skip, the adjacent property or your house has no claim on the public road. We are getting to the crux of it now, it's people's sense of entitlement that's at the bottom of this. It's outside my house so it's mine. Even though you have no claim on it, quite pathetic and childish in all honesty.

Well if the person living on the road has no entitlement to park on their own street then people that live elsewhere should definitely have no entitlement to park on that street.

The people that live on the street have a legitimate use for the parking. They live in a house there, they are having guests around, they are having work done. All better reasons than "I'm too cheap to pay for my parking".

weldoninhio · 23-12-2016 3:33pm

ScumLord wrote: »

Well if the person living on the road has no entitlement to park on their own street then people that live elsewhere should definitely have no entitlement to park on that street.

The people that live on the street have a legitimate use for the parking. They live in a house there, they are having guests around, they are having work done. All better reasons than "I'm too cheap to pay for my parking".

Everyone that pays motor tax has the same entitlement. If you want a reserved parking spot contact your local authority and see if you can buy it. Or are you "too cheap to pay for your parking"??

The only "legitimate" use for a parking spot is parking in it. Doesn't matter if you live 2 foot, 2 miles or 200 miles from it. If you've motor tax you can use it.

NiallBoo · 23-12-2016 4:39pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

Everyone that pays motor tax has the same entitlement. If you want a reserved parking spot contact your local authority and see if you can buy it. Or are you "too cheap to pay for your parking"??

The only "legitimate" use for a parking spot is parking in it. Doesn't matter if you live 2 foot, 2 miles or 200 miles from it. If you've motor tax you can use it.

Motor tax is there to off-set the cost to others and the environment of using a motor.

Roads are paid for out of general taxation and are there for everyone's use (bar motorways) - there's no added entitlement for using a car/paying motor tax.

If you're not using it then you're not causing any environmental damage and so aren't expected to pay. Use is allowed on private property, but really just because it would be unenforceable.

The idea that "i pay motor tax, so I'm entitled to do X, Y or Z" is a complete red herring.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 23-12-2016 5:42pm

I wonder if the people who insist that as long as something is 'legal', then they're 'entitled' to do it, and that's that, are the same people who moan about the 'nanny state'.

It is a pity that Government has to legislate for everything and anything nowadays. But sadly so many people seem unable to use common sense, courtesy and consideration when deciding how to behave. They just consult the rule book, and if there's nothing to say they can't do it, then it must be okay.

With adults taking that childish view, it's no wonder the State has to step in more and more nowadays in taking decisions out of people's hands and making laws against this, that and everything.

railer201 · 23-12-2016 5:50pm

NiallBoo wrote: »

Motor tax is there to off-set the cost to others and the environment of using a motor.

Roads are paid for out of general taxation and are there for everyone's use (bar motorways) - there's no added entitlement for using a car/paying motor tax.

If you're not using it then you're not causing any environmental damage and so aren't expected to pay. Use is allowed on private property, but really just because it would be unenforceable.

The idea that "i pay motor tax, so I'm entitled to do X, Y or Z" is a complete red herring.

If you pay for something then you are entitled to something in return, in this case, the use your car on public roads, either in motion or parked (legally of course).

uck51js9zml2yt · 23-12-2016 5:58pm

Mitchell Jolly Swimsuit wrote: »

If you don't have a driveway, obviously you have no choice but to leave your car on the road when going on holidays. But you're leaving it on a road where the neighbours know you, know who the car belongs to, and can contact you or a family member if the alarm is going off, the car needs to be moved to allow access to the house for some reason etc.

Totally different from a stranger just leaving their car there for a couple of weeks, with no contact details and no notion of when they'll be coming back and moving it - a week, a month, two months??

If it's a public road, adhering to parking regulations, not blocking a driveway, is properly taxed, insured and NCT'd then there is no legal prohibition on them parking.
If they choose to leave it there a day or a year, they are entitled to do so.

frag420 · 23-12-2016 6:12pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

I still don't understand how a car parked legally, unobstructively is inconsiderate or annoying.

If I walked beside you saying "La la la la la la" continuously while also putting my finger in front of your face saying "I'm not touching you"...you would not be annoyed as it's not illegal to do so!?

You would not consider me an inconsiderate prick for doing it as it's not illegal!?

Understand now??

Capt'n Midnight · 23-12-2016 6:28pm

Get one of those tracker things off the interweb and follow them home later on recover your tracker and then park outside their drive.

That'll show them.

Check up on parking rules
Facing direction of travel. (is this a rule or a guideline )
Distance from corners, distance from kerb , not on the path.

Larbre34 · 23-12-2016 6:34pm

Its no less than 5 meters from a corner and direction of travel is not a thing in Ireland, only heard of it in the US.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 23-12-2016 7:49pm

ScumLord wrote: »

Well if the person living on the road has no entitlement to park on their own street then people that live elsewhere should definitely have no entitlement to park on that street.

The people that live on the street have a legitimate use for the parking. They live in a house there, they are having guests around, they are having work done. All better reasons than "I'm too cheap to pay for my parking".

You are just making up strawman arguments.

Everybody has the right to park on public parking spots. Having a house close by is not a reason to have more right to the same parking spot, which has been explained to you on numerous occasions.

AndrewJRenko · 24-12-2016 12:39pm

Mitchell Jolly Swimsuit wrote: »

whoopsadoodles wrote: »

What if she doesn't have a driveway?

As I pointed out earlier, the house my folks live in doesn't even have a front garden, let alone a driveway.

At what point do they become cocks if they've headed off on hols? a weekend? a bank holiday weekend? a fortnight?

If you don't have a driveway, obviously you have no choice but to leave your car on the road when going on holidays.

There's always a choice, even a range of choices - like
1) Buy a house with a driveway
2) Sell the car and use public transport, bikes, taxis and occasional rental cars.

Buying a car is a choice, and I'm not quite sure why many folks expect public space to be dedicated to support those choices, particularly given that 'road tax' comes nowhere near covering the costs of our road infrastructure, let alone the costs of the carbon emissions coming out the exhaust pipe.

weldoninhio · 24-12-2016 3:09pm

frag420 wrote: »

If I walked beside you saying "La la la la la la" continuously while also putting my finger in front of your face saying "I'm not touching you"...you would not be annoyed as it's not illegal to do so!?

You would not consider me an inconsiderate prick for doing it as it's not illegal!?

Understand now??

It wouldn't be legal though. We have harassment laws. Try again.

InTheTrees · 24-12-2016 4:46pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

It wouldn't be legal though. We have harassment laws. Try again.

If you harass someone verbally then it can also be assault.

25-12-2016 10:30am

Mitchell Jolly Swimsuit wrote: »

Just because you're 'entitled' to do something, doesn't necessarily mean it's not inconsiderate or annoying to other people.

But that can go both ways , in fact a lot of these arguments go both ways.
The residents and people here complain about people parking up outside their houses for short and long term because its inconsiderate and annoying to them . Other people should be given the chance to use the spaces . Thats fair enough
But sure isnt that what the residents are doing themselves parking up for short or long term themselves , not letting others use the spaces.
All because they believe they have an entitlement to the space.
'Tis my field' is the quote im thinking of. The ops mother is doing exactly that . Its would be ok for them to park across the road but not in front of her house . 'not in my back yard ' syndrome.
Another stupid thing here is the ops mother doesnt have a car . The car in front of the house is probably insured and taxed and therefore is legally entitled to use the spot whereas the ops mother has no legal entitlement to it.

What if it turned out that the people who left the car lived around the corner but were unable to park in front of their house. They might just be back from a holiday themselves which might explain the bags

The way i see it is if the car is parked safely , not blocking anyone , taxed , insured i have no issue with it.
Let the house owners walk an extra few meters from their car to their front door. An aweful lot of people are as lazy as be damned. Look at parking in front of supermarkets . There always seems to be 4 or 5 cars parked on tescos front doors step here cause people seem unwilling to park 30 meters away in a proper safe spot and walk back. And most of these people have no reason to do so ie not elderly, disabled , parent n child etc

Guy Sajer · 25-12-2016 10:54am

ScumLord wrote: »

Well if the person living on the road has no entitlement to park on their own street then people that live elsewhere should definitely have no entitlement to park on that street.

The people that live on the street have a legitimate use for the parking. They live in a house there, they are having guests around, they are having work done. All better reasons than "I'm too cheap to pay for my parking".

If people want entitlement to keep a public area for their car the area covered should be included in their property tax.

But I guess ye wouldn't agree to that because it's not your property?