Boss kept staff xmas presents for herself

nice_guy80

My wife works in a creche. She enjoys working with the kids

Basically the boss/owner treats the staff like crap.
The staff do all the work.
Go to courses on their own time.
Prepare plans, resources etc in their own time.
They are paid almost minimum wage, unpaid holidays, crappy buildings, no photocopier

Anyway the parents of toddlers, preschoolers and after-schoolers dropped in a load of presents to the office in the last week for the STAFF who look after all the kids - wine, chocolates, biscuits, toiletry sets and the usual crappy 'teacher' presents.

The boss and her daughter went through all the presents and brought all the decent stuff home with her.
She left the stuff that had the girls' names and cards sellotaped to them.

I've NEVER heard of someone being so mean and stingy

Big Nasty

No photocopier? What a CVNT!

HeidiHeidi

This belongs here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057136862

That's well out of order!

chopperbyrne

nice_guy80 wrote: »

My wife works in a creche. She enjoys working with the kids

Basically the boss/owner treats the staff like crap.
The staff do all the work.
Go to courses on their own time.
Prepare plans, resources etc in their own time.
They are paid almost minimum wage, unpaid holidays, crappy buildings, no photocopier

Anyway the parents of toddlers, preschoolers and after-schoolers dropped in a load of presents to the office in the last week for the STAFF who look after all the kids - wine, chocolates, biscuits, toiletry sets and the usual crappy 'teacher' presents.

The boss and her daughter went through all the presents and brought all the decent stuff home with her.
She left the stuff that had the girls' names and cards sellotaped to them.

I've NEVER heard of someone being so mean and stingy

Biffo

super_furry

The staff should let the parents know. If they don't feel that their in a position to take a stand collectively, at least least the parents know what happened.

Sam Kade

She'll just get fat from all the chocolates and biscuits and make great use of the toiletry sets.

nice_guy80

Sam Kade wrote: »

She'll just get fat from all the chocolates and biscuits and make great use of the toiletry sets.

I'd bet she regifts most of it

demanufactured

is your wife not looking for another job already...sounds like a craphole!

suicide_circus

Horrible bitch. Definitely let the parents know.

nice_guy80

Big Nasty wrote: »

No photocopier? What a CVNT!

It's hard to hand draw 22 worksheets for every activity in the preschool

The Backwards Man

Maybe she was donating them to a local charity to stop the greedy teachers claiming presents that didn't have their names on them?

Sam Kade

nice_guy80 wrote: »

I'd bet she regifts most of it

More than likely, the best cure for her would be a present of chocolates laced with laxatives

nice_guy80

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Maybe she was donating them to a local charity to stop the greedy teachers claiming presents that didn't have their names on them?

Donated wine and chocolates to a charity?

They're creche workers. €10 an hour.

frozenfrozen

for the love of god do not tell the parents that would be defamation

suicide_circus

frozenfrozen wrote: »

for the love of god do not tell the parents that would be defamation

By stealth obviously

Yourself isit

She's a bit of a Kunut but not seeing much legally wrong here. The parents may well be gifting the business owner and, without names on the presents, any other distribution would be fraught with problems. She couldn't allow a free for all.

The Backwards Man

A tenner an hour?

In my day Grannies were the creche workers and they were lucky to get the price of a bingo book for their services

And damn glad of it they were too.

It's far from photocopiers and bottles of Jean Luc whatever you call him with our names sellotaped on him we were reared.

Kristopherus

frozenfrozen wrote: »

for the love of god do not tell the parents that would be defamation

How?

bmwguy

That's pretty miserable and not at all the way to motivate and retain good staff

goat2

She did leave the gifts that had the staff names to the people they were gifted to, she is the one who own the business, pay high insurance, electricity, rent of premises, products to take care of the children, and follow health and safety guidlines, accountant, Did she gift the staff with extra wages for Christmas or a gift of chocolate,

jameorahiely

goat2 wrote: »

She did leave the gifts that had the staff names to the people they were gifted to, she is the one who own the business, pay high insurance, electricity, rent of premises, products to take care of the children, and follow health and safety guidlines, accountant, Did she gift the staff with extra wages for Christmas or a gift of chocolate,

Do the esb accept wine and chocolates instead of money?

Larbre34

goat2 wrote: »

She did leave the gifts that had the staff names to the people they were gifted to, she is the one who own the business, pay high insurance, electricity, rent of premises, products to take care of the children, and follow health and safety guidlines, accountant, Did she gift the staff with extra wages for Christmas or a gift of chocolate,

You are being deliberately obtuse.

Larbre34

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Maybe she was donating them to a local charity to stop the greedy teachers claiming presents that didn't have their names on them?

So are you.

goat2

I did think that child carers were paid far better than that, as ye have to have qualifications to do this very responsible job, is there a standard payment

nice_guy80

goat2 wrote: »

She did leave the gifts that had the staff names to the people they were gifted to, she is the one who own the business, pay high insurance, electricity, rent of premises, products to take care of the children, and follow health and safety guidlines, accountant, Did she gift the staff with extra wages for Christmas or a gift of chocolate,

She makes enough money, owns the premises. Husband is the accountant
Big car, few foreign holidays.

eviltwin

goat2 wrote: »

She did leave the gifts that had the staff names to the people they were gifted to, she is the one who own the business, pay high insurance, electricity, rent of premises, products to take care of the children, and follow health and safety guidlines, accountant, Did she gift the staff with extra wages for Christmas or a gift of chocolate,

Of course she pays them, she has to, they've earned that money, it's not altruism on her part.

I think taking something clearly intended for another person is skanky as fcuk. As a parent I'd be so angry that something i bought to give to a particular person was taken by someone else.

nice_guy80

goat2 wrote: »

I did think that child carers were paid far better than that, as ye have to have qualifications to do this very responsible job, is there a standard payment

Almost minimum wage is standard in the sector
Private sector profiteering

hairyprincess

Whatever about the boxes of chocolates, the staff seriously need to address the lack of paid holidays. They are entitled to them. Do they even get a wage slip?

king_of_inismac

suicide_circus wrote: »

By stealth obviously

It's not defamation if it's the truth. Tell away

Charles Babbage

frozenfrozen wrote: »

for the love of god do not tell the parents that would be defamation

An actionable defamatory statement has three ingredients:

• it must be published,
• it must refer to the complainant and
• it must be false.

In any case, just make clear that the staff did not get the goodies.

nice_guy80

hairyprincess wrote: »

Whatever about the boxes of chocolates, the staff seriously need to address the lack of paid holidays. They are entitled to them. Do they even get a wage slip?

The free preschool staff now go on the dole during holidays

Last year she didn't pay them for three days of holiday pay over Christmas break.

givyjoe

frozenfrozen wrote: »

for the love of god do not tell the parents that would be defamation

On what planet is that defamation? Its fair comment and more importantly, TRUE.

TheAnalyst_

I hope she gets cancer for christmas. I can't stand that sort of vile person.

TheAnalyst_

I hope she gets cancer for christmas. I can't stand that sort of vile person.

IvyTheTerrible

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

I hope she gets cancer for christmas. I can't stand that sort of vile person.

Steals a few chocolates, gets cancer, seems fair.

frozenfrozen

Charles Babbage wrote: »

An actionable defamatory statement has three ingredients:

• it must be published,
• it must refer to the complainant and
• it must be false.

In any case, just make clear that the staff did not get the goodies.

Where did you find that list?

Section 6(2) – The tort of defamation consists of the publication, by any means, of a

defamatory statement concerning a person to one or more than one person (other than the

first mentioned person)

Section 2 – “defamatory statement” means a statement that tends to injure a person’s

reputation in the eyes of reasonable members of society

Section 2 – “Statement” includes:-

a) A statement made orally or in writing

b) Visual images, sounds, gestures and any other method of signifying meaning,

c) A statement-

i. Broadcast on the radio or television, or

ii. Published on the internet, and

d) An electronic communication.


It is assumed false, so if the person causing the defamation was to choose the 'truth' defence they would have to prove the business owner stole the gifts.

If I found out that someone was allegedly stealing gifts it would lower their reputation in my eyes.

If the owner could find a parent who had heard the news (I'm absolutely certain they would obviously have at least one friend with a child using the creche) it would literally be an open and shut case

Cee-Jay-Cee

Has the crèche a Facebook page? AHers could leave a few comments on it to let them know that their mean spirited antics are known. I would have no problem leaving a message for them.

frozenfrozen

d e f a m a t i o n


Don't. do. it.

Summer wind

Your wife 100% needs a new job.

Skylinehead

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

Has the crèche a Facebook page? AHers could leave a few comments on it to let them know that their mean spirited antics are known. I would have no problem leaving a message for them.

Mod: No, none of the brigading discussion please.

nice_guy80

Summer wind wrote: »

Your wife 100% needs a new job.

True. She knows that.

But creches bosses talk. Especially in a smaller town
If she leaves one place on a sour note what are chances of getting another job?

Dave0301

The Backwards Man wrote: »

A tenner an hour?

In my day Grannies were the creche workers and they were lucky to get the price of a bingo book for their services

And damn glad of it they were too.

It's far from photocopiers and bottles of Jean Luc whatever you call him with our names sellotaped on him we were reared.

Times change.

frozenfrozen

givyjoe wrote: »

On what planet is that defamation? Its fair comment and more importantly, TRUE.

it's literally the definition of defamation, it's not a fair 'comment' and more importantly try prove its TRUE in COURT


If you have no idea how defamation works, keep your self out of trouble and absolutely do not recommend someone get themselves in serious trouble

Tigger

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

I hope she gets cancer for christmas. I can't stand that sort of vile person.

??

nice_guy80

I, in time, will tell this woman what we think of her.

Tigger

nice_guy80 wrote: »

The free preschool staff now go on the dole during holidays

Last year she didn't pay them for three days of holiday pay over Christmas break.

do they get their statutory hollidays? if they are working 30 odd weeks a year they are entitled to about 12 or 13days a year
you cant expect to be paid all the school holidays as a childminder

ToddyDoody

Does the boss drink tea or coffee?

Skommando

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Maybe she was donating them to a local charity to stop the greedy teachers claiming presents that didn't have their names on them?

arsehole

_Jamie_

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Maybe she was donating them to a local charity to stop the greedy teachers claiming presents that didn't have their names on them?

Tedious devil's advocate position.

goat2

nice_guy80 wrote: »

She makes enough money, owns the premises. Husband is the accountant
Big car, few foreign holidays.

if she or any one of her familly are on this boards, this description could lead them to know who is being discussed here

_Jamie_

Yourself isit wrote: »

She's a bit of a Kunut but not seeing much legally wrong here. The parents may well be gifting the business owner and, without names on the presents, any other distribution would be fraught with problems. She couldn't allow a free for all.

In my mother's workplace, they put names in a hat to decide how the presents were shared. Everyone got something. Nothing fraught about it at all.