This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

the_amazing_raisin

Gumbo wrote: »

If that’s the case will they be scrapped once the warranty runs out?
The parts are no more expensive than BMW, Audi or any of the other premium brands.

The big thing is the battery in fairness. If it goes. But the same for a 520d. If the engine goes. If.

I’m biased though. I drive a 2014

Well if you look at Rich rebuilds (and yes, I know he's biased too) it's not so much the expense as the hassle.

First getting parts of Tesla seems to be nearly impossible as they won't sell most of their parts to end users. So you need to get parts second hand from a crashed Tesla, not exactly the best source.

Then you need to find someone to fit it. Tesla won't support any vehicles that haven't been repaired in their service centers (of which there's 1 in Ireland) and will start yanking features on cars that have been repaired by third parties.

Now, to be fair, I'm sure if Audi or BMW could do any of that they would, but at the moment they don't and there's a well established chain of parts suppliers, OEMs, and independent mechanics who can fix issues with those cars

the_amazing_raisin

Black_Knight wrote: »

Not well respected here, but if a 38 ioniq suits your needs here's 2 bargains

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1398421950294098/permalink/2074839079319045/?sale_post_id=2074839079319045


UK ex demo 202 reg white ioniq38. 2 of them.

They lost me at the white paint

Normally demo cars only have a few hundred miles, which would mean you need to pay VAT as well. I wonder have these ones been driven more or is that the ex-VAT price?

listermint

cruisey1987 wrote: »

Well if you look at Rich rebuilds (and yes, I know he's biased too) it's not so much the expense as the hassle.

First getting parts of Tesla seems to be nearly impossible as they won't sell most of their parts to end users. So you need to get parts second hand from a crashed Tesla, not exactly the best source.

Then you need to find someone to fit it. Tesla won't support any vehicles that haven't been repaired in their service centers (of which there's 1 in Ireland) and will start yanking features on cars that have been repaired by third parties.

Now, to be fair, I'm sure if Audi or BMW could do any of that they would, but at the moment they don't and there's a well established chain of parts suppliers, OEMs, and independent mechanics who can fix issues with those cars

Doesn't seem to have stopped him opening two shops in different states within 12 months specialising in Tesla repairs.....

Black_Knight

cruisey1987 wrote: »

They lost me at the white paint

Normally demo cars only have a few hundred miles, which would mean you need to pay VAT as well. I wonder have these ones been driven more or is that the ex-VAT price?

I'd imagine the advertised price is the price you pay

unkel

Black_Knight wrote: »

Not well respected here, but if a 38 ioniq suits your needs here's 2 bargains

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1398421950294098/permalink/2074839079319045/?sale_post_id=2074839079319045


UK ex demo 202 reg white ioniq38. 2 of them. 30k

I feel a 2019 Kona 64kWh for €30k already here is much better value than a 2020 Ioniq for GBP30k that you will have to bring in yourself or pay someone else significant money to do so.

Not a bargain in my book.

unkel

And on that note, why on earth is nobody buying that yellow GBP14,999 (!!!) asking price Ioniq EV? Yours for around GBP14,500, or €16k, a steal.

Black_Knight

unkel wrote: »

I feel a 2019 Kona 64kWh for €30k already here is much better value than a 2020 Ioniq for GBP30k that you will have to bring in yourself or pay someone else significant money to do so.

Not a bargain in my book.

I read the ad as Phil selling you the car for 29999. Ioniq is a different car to the Kona. Kona could be 20k and I'd still not buy it, it doesn't work for me.

unkel

Black_Knight wrote: »

I read the ad as Phil selling you the car for 29999.

Apologies, I didn't read that properly at all. A nearly brand new 38kWh Ioniq on Irish plates for sub €30k is a reasonably good deal. Remember plenty of people out there paid €28k-€29k for their classic 28kWh Ioniqs!

Makes a private sale second hand one from the start of the year for €31k look woefully overpriced...

graememk

unkel wrote: »

And on that note, why on earth is nobody buying that yellow GBP14,999 (!!!) asking price Ioniq EV? Yours for around GBP14,500, or €16k, a steal.

and if you really didnt like the yellow you could get it wrapped

unkel

It's a great colour imho. Wrapping professionally is €1500, that would make the car not such a great deal anymore.

slave1

2016 Facelift 70D, free Supercharging, nice colour, next gen seats and appears in good nick with 21" turbines, asking £34, bit pricey but about the best that's out there at the minute

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202010024530763?modal=description

unkel

With AP1 that's a decent price imho

High enough miles though for the year, no warranty (unless you want to drive it back to the seller in the UK), looks like a pretty basic spec too. And the 21" wheels are not great in Ireland, unless you mostly drive on motorways.

slave1

All agreed but the super bargains gone now, think this thread could be renamed This Week's EV Good Value I'm not Buying....

unkel

There always were and always will be super bargains. We've seen plenty in this thread, even this year. But I agree they are fewer and more far between now. Demand for second hand EVs is much higher than it used to be now even the slowest adapting people out there have finally realised this is where things are going and supply is still very low. And supply is about to become only a fraction of what it is today when Brexit, which means pretty much all second hand EVs will keep their value relatively very well.

the_amazing_raisin

unkel wrote: »

There always were and always will be super bargains. We've seen plenty in this thread, even this year. But I agree they are fewer and more far between now. Demand for second hand EVs is much higher than it used to be now even the slowest adapting people out there have finally realised this is where things are going and supply is still very low. And supply is about to become only a fraction of what it is today when Brexit, which means pretty much all second hand EVs will keep their value relatively very well.

It'll be a seller's market soon, which suits me

NIMAN

cruisey1987 wrote: »

It'll be a seller's market soon, which suits me

Will there be buyers though?

I think a lot of folk are watching their spending the way the virus is going. The future is fairly uncertain at present.

the_amazing_raisin

NIMAN wrote: »

Will there be buyers though?

I think a lot of folk are watching their spending the way the virus is going. The future is fairly uncertain at present.

EV sales keep going up despite the pandemic. Granted a lot of people buying those probably had their minds made up before the pandemic hit, but it shows there's still demand out there.

I imagine there's plenty of folks out there looking for a second hand EV with low running costs to use as a second car for the household

garo

https://www.electricautos.ie/viewanad.php?ad_id=2656976


This looks alright? High mileage but 2018 28kWh Ioniq for < 20k.

DrPhilG

cruisey1987 wrote: »

EV sales keep going up despite the pandemic.

Poperty market is doing similar at least around here. I expected a slump but not thus far. Going to be a pop at some point though and I expect cars to do similar before things are back to normal.

kanuseeme

Just looking at autotrader, some of the jag's have anywhere from £2000 to nearly £ 7000 knocked off,

Whats up? Last thing I remember was trouble getting batteries.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/new/202006110025906?make=JAGUAR&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&advertising-location=at_cars&year-from=new&fuel-type=Electric&sort=price-asc&postcode=l31dl&radius=1500&page=1

90kWh S Auto 4WD 5dr

RRP £65,289
Price £58,571

This has to be the worst advert I have ever seen for a £82000 car, one of the two pictures shows rust on the brake disc, LOL
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/new/202010124923723?make=JAGUAR&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&year-from=new&advertising-location=at_cars&sort=price-desc&fuel-type=Electric&postcode=l31dl&radius=1500&page=1

jhegarty

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202010084777134

£35,990

Facelift 2016 75D
Looks to be AP2

72,045 miles

garo

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202010024497118


2016 reg S70 for 31.5k GBP.

Gumbo

garo wrote: »

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202010024497118


2016 reg S70 for 31.5k GBP.

Nice colour. I’d like to see that in the flesh.

SteelyDanJalapeno

2 beauties

BigAl81

Might be looking to pick up a "bargain" soon and considering selling my 191 Ioniq with 35k kms on her. What do you think that might go for these days, priced for a quick sale? Maybe €22k or so? It's white, but in good nick.

Thanks!

T-b0n3

2014 Model S85 - £32,500

https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/used/5YJSB6H10EFP54009?token=$2y$10$ArY0Ttalu9RFFRGQI.6ONu7a6Ti8520.G1J10yzx8yNCdIQ9W4.4.&redirect=no

Black_Knight

T-b0n3 wrote: »

2014 Model S85 - £32,500

https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/used/5YJSB6H10EFP54009?token=$2y$10$ArY0Ttalu9RFFRGQI.6ONu7a6Ti8520.G1J10yzx8yNCdIQ9W4.4.&redirect=no

Maybe the best price seen for a 2014 CPO tesla S in a while, but hardly a bargain. There were the odd sub £30k 2014 model S85 posted here back around spring with 2 years warranty. Bad scuffing on that one too.

unkel

Black_Knight wrote: »

Maybe the best price seen for a 2014 CPO tesla S in a while, but hardly a bargain. There were the odd sub £30k 2014 model S85 posted here back around spring with 2 years warranty. Bad scuffing on that one too.

Not sub GBP30k with AP1 though!

This is a pretty decent offering, also has the dual charger so can charge at 23kW AC. Just 1 year warranty now though / 16000km, whichever comes first

The year Tesla warranty can come in ever so handy. I'm booked in for Sandyford tomorrow, getting the sunroof fixed (minor issue) and the MCU1 daughterboard replaced. Repairs would have cost about EUR2000 so far (two door handles replaced too and window mechanism repaired) if I had to pay for them myself!

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

Not sub GBP30k with AP1 though!

This is a pretty decent offering, also has the dual charger so can charge at 23kW AC. Just 1 year warranty now though / 16000km, whichever comes first

The year Tesla warranty can come in ever so handy. I'm booked in for Sandyford tomorrow, getting the sunroof fixed (minor issue) and the MCU1 daughterboard replaced. Repairs would have cost about EUR2000 so far (two door handles replaced too and window mechanism repaired) if I had to pay for them myself!

You're essentially giving up free supercharging for life, for a 1 year warranty.
I wouldnt do it now. The only reason I bought CPO was the cheaper price compared to a non cpo car. The warranty was a bonus but I factored in the "cost" of losing free SuC

Black_Knight

unkel wrote: »

Not sub GBP30k with AP1 though!

Ah, missed the AP1 mention