This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

NIMAN

Yeah I think to be fair a deal is more important overall than the ability to import cars.

the_amazing_raisin

KCross wrote: »

On the basis of a no deal brexit?

I’d say UK are about to blink first. A deal will be done and who knows what that will include.

Well since UK imports take business away from car dealerships in Ireland, I'm guessing it's not gonna be a priority for any trade deal

KCross

cruisey1987 wrote: »

Well since UK imports take business away from car dealerships in Ireland, I'm guessing it's not gonna be a priority for any trade deal

The Germans and French will want to sell their cars to UK and UK are going to want to sell their cars to Europe. It'll feature in a trade deal alright.

the_amazing_raisin

KCross wrote: »

The Germans and French will want to sell their cars to UK and UK are going to want to sell their cars to Europe. It'll feature in a trade deal alright.

Yes but those are new car sales, not private buyers of used cars, they could be treated differently. We won't know until they get a deal

TheWonderLlama

We have been speaking to the production side of a large automotive producer recently, related to future demands for parts.

They have intimated to us that for them, RHD is on the way out in Europe.

Now, how true this is, i do not know, but the guys we spoke to were very sure.

GM axing Holden seemed to be an indicator of this.

the_amazing_raisin

TheWonderLlama wrote: »

We have been speaking to the production side of a large automotive producer recently, related to future demands for parts.

They have intimated to us that for them, RHD is on the way out in Europe.

Now, how true this is, i do not know, but the guys we spoke to were very sure.

GM axing Holden seemed to be an indicator of this.

Who's 'we' out of curiosity?


After Brexit, there's only 1 RHD country in continental Europe (backwards old Ireland) so in a way you could say it's on the way out because the number of RHD countries dropped by 50%


There are however still quite a few countries around the world which are still RHD, are car manufacturers going to cut them out completely?



There was an article some time ago about Ireland switching the LHD. Short summary, it's doable but expensive. It's been done in Sweden & Iceland but those countries had far fewer cars on the road at the time

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/should-ireland-swap-sides-after-brexit-1.3976894


If you think about it, most of the junctions can probably be swapped over without too much effort. Some specialised junctions in cities might be a bit tricky to do, and some of the one way systems would probably need to be reversed which might cause some traffic hiccups



Motorways are tricky because they've been optimised for a certain traffic flow, changing the direction might not fit into that. However given the traffic issues around Dublin that already exist, I don't think it'd cause much impact.


The biggest problem is all the cars we have that are RHD, what do you do with them? you could offer a scrappage scheme to remove them from the road, which would help the switch to EVs and more efficient vehicles.



However unless they're basically giving the vehicles away for free, there'll be a lot of people put out of pocket with the move to expensive new vehicles. This could in some way be offset by the fact that 2nd hand imports from continental Europe suddenly become realistic, opening up a huge 2nd hand market for Irish customers


Personally, I think it's a great idea in principle, but I just don't see it worth the investment costs for any Irish government, and I doubt the EU will cough up the billions required to do it

TheWonderLlama

cruisey1987 wrote: »

Who's 'we' out of curiosity?





There are however still quite a few countries around the world which are still RHD, are car manufacturers going to cut them out completely?

We are a component supplier to most of the large automotive companies. Not going into more details.


Manufacturers have plants that service those other markets. That's why I said it was being phased out, in Europe. presumably, if enough demand exists, they will continue to produce for those markets. incidentally, I suspect this is where we will have to source supply in the future.



presumably the costs associated with maintaining a production line for RHD with only one country in Europe becomes sub-optimal.

listermint

TheWonderLlama wrote: »

We are a component supplier to most of the large automotive companies. Not going into more details.


Manufacturers have plants that service those other markets. That's why I said it was being phased out, in Europe. presumably, if enough demand exists, they will continue to produce for those markets. incidentally, I suspect this is where we will have to source supply in the future.



presumably the costs associated with maintaining a production line for RHD with only one country in Europe becomes sub-optimal.

Sounds like spoof based on spoof inside organisations that provide some components.

Just being part of a component company doesn't alleviate people from making up their own information to big up themselves tbf

the_amazing_raisin

TheWonderLlama wrote: »

We are a component supplier to most of the large automotive companies. Not going into more details.


Manufacturers have plants that service those other markets. That's why I said it was being phased out, in Europe. presumably, if enough demand exists, they will continue to produce for those markets. incidentally, I suspect this is where we will have to source supply in the future.



presumably the costs associated with maintaining a production line for RHD with only one country in Europe becomes sub-optimal.

Well, I don't believe the UK is planning on banning car imports (I wouldn't be surprised given the current government) so the RHD market in the UK isn't going to just disappear.


And while it might be worthwhile for Japanese & Korean car companies to have bases in the UK, the same logic doesn't apply for European ones who're basically on the UK's doorstep


So I'm not gonna believe this one until I see it

TheWonderLlama

listermint wrote: »

Sounds like spoof based on spoof inside organisations that provide some components.

Just being part of a component company doesn't alleviate people from making up their own information to big up themselves tbf

Fair enough, believe it or don't. I don't care. Just thought it might be pertinent to the conversation. feel free to ignore.

Stealthirl

RHD in Eroupe is only The UK, Malta, Cyprus and us.

2019 new car sales
UK - 2,311,140
Malta - 8,495
Cyprus - 1,194
Ireland - 117,000

Thats a very small number compared to LHD

unkel

Calling ELM327. Battery owned Fluence ZE, asking €3,450. Taxed for nearly a year, NCT for nearly 2 years, looks clean and just 33k km (just over 20k miles). Range on these is very limited at this stage, maybe about 50km. But that's way more than most second family cars do in a day anyway. Ideal car for a commute / shopping / school runs



Linky

Get it for €3k, claim the €600 subsidy for a home charge point install, while it is still available and have a virtually free car for the year

Black_Knight

First of the sub £30k 2015 Model S with AP?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202011116023488

Black_Knight

First sub €30k Kona?

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/price-drop-hyundai-kona-electric-64-kwh/25314585

White, 69k km, €29k

Matqo

Black_Knight wrote: »

First of the sub £30k 2015 Model S with AP?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202011116023488

Quite sure I've seen the same one listed on Autotrader for about 1-2k cheaper a few days back, although it was probably a private seller.

I've also noticed that some sellers do not list the AP but based on exterior and the MCU it becomes apparent that the AP option is present.

Black_Knight

If Martin Murphy car sales have got this wrong and the car is as it is in the pictures, snap it up quick before they realise it's fully electric and wildly underpriced!

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-ioniq-ev-5dr-auto/26538163

€15250 for what looks like a silver Ioniq BEV, but advertised as a Hybrid.
Says 120 tax too, but hybrid tax is €140 I believe.

Gumbo

Black_Knight wrote: »

If Martin Murphy car sales have got this wrong and the car is as it is in the pictures, snap it up quick before they realise it's fully electric and wildly underpriced!

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-ioniq-ev-5dr-auto/26538163

€15250 for what looks like a silver Ioniq BEV, but advertised as a Hybrid.
Says 120 tax too, but hybrid tax is €140 I believe.

Anyone in the market and on the fence, get that bought before the weekend.

NIMAN

Gumbo wrote: »

Anyone in the market and on the fence, get that bought before the weekend.

If only I had a buyer for my Leaf lined up!

Gumbo

Gumbo wrote: »

Anyone in the market and on the fence, get that bought before the weekend.

Accurate description of myself!

graememk

Black_Knight wrote: »

If Martin Murphy car sales have got this wrong and the car is as it is in the pictures, snap it up quick before they realise it's fully electric and wildly underpriced!

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-ioniq-ev-5dr-auto/26538163

€15250 for what looks like a silver Ioniq BEV, but advertised as a Hybrid.
Says 120 tax too, but hybrid tax is €140 I believe.

Same on their website
https://www.martinmurphycarsales.ie/car-details/?2693290/

Priced to sell!

unkel

Gumbo wrote: »

Anyone in the market and on the fence, get that bought before the weekend.

I'd send him a txt right now, saying you will buy it and you will pay full asking price. I'd be waiting at his showroom at 8AM tomorrow morning to sign the contract / pay a deposit.

graememk

unkel wrote: »

I'd send him a txt right now, saying you will buy it and you will pay full asking price. I'd be waiting at his showroom at 8AM tomorrow morning to sign the contract / pay a deposit.

you'd ask for 15 even, 15250 too awkward a number!

Black_Knight

unkel wrote: »

I'd send him a txt right now, saying you will buy it and you will pay full asking price. I'd be waiting at his showroom at 8AM tomorrow morning to sign the contract / pay a deposit.

And straight to Hyundai to update the software (That image of the maps looks foreign to me. Old version?) and a check that it's had all it's recalls performed. This in no way would put me off buying it (if I didn't already have one) as it's all under warranty for another year I think?
Unkel will know..

unkel

Yep, even if it's a very early 2017 car, it will be under full manufacturer's warranty until early 2022, so well over a year. And over 4 years on the battery / drive train. And car is bought from a garage, which comes with implied warranty that everything is working (that might not normally covered by warranty, like cables that are working)

I'd buy this immediately if I were in the market for an EV and that was within budget

Let's hope someone on boards gets it. I love it when people get a bargain, because of someone else on here pointed them to it

unkel

A little bit of digging and the car indeed has an NCT until November 2022 which suggests that it is only just gone 3 years old this month. Which means it has a full 2 years manufacturers warranty left (and 5 years on battery)

coolisin

All this talk of brexit lately, this is the bargain this thread has being calling out for good find!

garo

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202010255424638




29,750k. Not too shabby for a 2016 Tesla 70D. Doesn't mention AP anywhere though.

jhegarty

garo wrote: »

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202010255424638




29,750k. Not too shabby for a 2016 Tesla 70D. Doesn't mention AP anywhere though.

That's won last long.

graememk

The Ionic ad is gone, Did anyone get it?

Black_Knight

graememk wrote: »

The Ionic ad is gone, Did anyone get it?

It's not readvertised yet anyways (either by the dealer, or a flipper)