This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

gally74

thierry14 wrote: »

Not far away from my price range now

P85+

£44k

https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/used/5YJSB3H16EFP45233?redirect=no

Look what it does to a modified 335i and this is one of the slowest Model S, some cars

Some mad guy over in ICE is buying a 535d instead

https://youtu.be/rdnrJkRhW5E

Is there a reason Tesla wount advertise them on the irish site, is warranty etc. covered, i think a lot of folks are waiting for them to come under 40K as they hold value well and will be an exellent car for the next 5 - 10 years.

I cant wait to see one with a hitch in ireland!

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

Go drive one!!! I drove a newish 90D from Sandyford. Similar performance as the early P85 but the grip was phenomenal.

It's been on my to do list for some time. But I don't want to drive one yet as, knowing me, I'll buy it!
My leaf would be a quiet and silent drive home if I didnt.

I'm (for what seems like ages) in the process of buying my PPR, that's the first focus, and once that's out of the way it's clear for my Tesla.

gally74 wrote: »

Is there a reason Tesla wount advertise them on the irish site, is warranty etc. covered, i think a lot of folks are waiting for them to come under 40K as they hold value well and will be an exellent car for the next 5 - 10 years.

I cant wait to see one with a hitch in ireland!

Warranty is covered, you have either 4years/50k miles (on CPO) or 2years/100k total odometer (on inventory models) "bumper to bumper" warranty, in addition to the 8 year unlimited mileage warranty on the drivetrain and battery.

They said in the past they will sell only Irish CPO cars on the Irish site.
Some people here have said the staff in Sandyford tell them otherwise in person (IE if you ask about a UK CPO car you can buy it through tesla) but they don't advertise the UK ones on the Irish site.

gally74

ELM327 wrote: »

It's been on my to do list for some time. But I don't want to drive one yet as, knowing me, I'll buy it!
My leaf would be a quiet and silent drive home if I didnt.

I'm (for what seems like ages) in the process of buying my PPR, that's the first focus, and once that's out of the way it's clear for my Tesla.


Warranty is covered, you have either 4years/50k miles (on CPO) or 2years/100k total odometer (on inventory models) "bumper to bumper" warranty, in addition to the 8 year unlimited mileage warranty on the drivetrain and battery.

They said in the past they will sell only Irish CPO cars on the Irish site.
Some people here have said the staff in Sandyford tell them otherwise in person (IE if you ask about a UK CPO car you can buy it through tesla) but they don't advertise the UK ones on the Irish site.

Thanks. A visit is due

cros13

The issue with the UK CPOs has always been the VRT... and I don't know that Tesla have sorted that yet.

ELM327

cros13 wrote: »

The issue with the UK CPOs has always been the VRT... and I don't know that Tesla have sorted that yet.

Yes that is the issue.
There are model S registered in Ireland so there must be some sort of calculation/stat code. But it's not on the website.

So we know it will be 14% of the OMSP and then deduct €5k.
The problem is if they allocate €100k or something ridiculous as the OMSP on a 2014 model s, the VRT would be €9k

ELM327

I'd be half tempted by something like this.
Obviously a thorough review of the pre- and post- condition, and perhaps a report from Tesla on the car would be needed.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201705165515818?postcode=ig61lu&radius=1500&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&sort=price-asc&make=TESLA&advertising-location=at_cars&page=1

cros13

It's one of those things where I'm interested.... just not interested in going first...

unkel

A write-off for the sake of a 10% discount? No thanks.

grogi

unkel wrote: »

A write-off for the sake of a 10% discount? No thanks.

Not in a Tesla...

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

A write-off for the sake of a 10% discount? No thanks.

It would be more of a 15-20% discount if you look at the price of a 2015/16 dual motor AP car though. Compared to the cheapest 2014 s85e (non AP1) then yes it's 10% off.

zapata

ELM327 wrote: »

I'd be half tempted by something like this.
Obviously a thorough review of the pre- and post- condition, and perhaps a report from Tesla on the car would be needed.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201705165515818?postcode=ig61lu&radius=1500&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&sort=price-asc&make=TESLA&advertising-location=at_cars&page=1

How do Irish insurance companies view cat D write offs. Would it be more expensive than standard.

ELM327

No idea, but when it comes to insuring a Tesla I'm getting the vaseline out anyway.

cros13

Another issue is that if Tesla have it listed as a write-off on their system, access to parts and service will be restricted.

GarIT

ELM327 wrote: »

No idea, but when it comes to insuring a Tesla I'm getting the vaseline out anyway.

Tesla are rolling out their own insurance worldwide, I don't think it's in Ireland yet but it will be eventually. They claim it will be cheaper than any other insurance because they believe Teslas are safer than other cars.

grogi

GarIT wrote: »

Tesla are rolling out their own insurance worldwide, I don't think it's in Ireland yet but it will be eventually. They claim it will be cheaper than any other insurance because they believe Teslas are safer than other cars.

Heh... I don't expect someone buying Tesla to do cash for crash either...

zapata

grogi wrote: »

Heh... I don't expect someone buying Tesla to do cash for crash either...

I'd bet the Tesla owner\driver would be hard working, decent and honest. It's the other c4c cnuts out there that make a profession out of staging crashes that need to be watched out for...

GarIT

grogi wrote: »

Heh... I don't expect someone buying Tesla to do cash for crash either...

Is it even possible to do that in a Tesla? Would it not just apply the brakes itself to prevent the crash?

TBi

GarIT wrote: »

Is it even possible to do that in a Tesla? Would it not just apply the brakes itself to prevent the crash?

You could probably find a way around it. For safety reasons the car will probably drive with damaged parking sensors, so if all these are removed/damaged someone could possibly crash it. Although this would look suspicious if an investigation was done.

KCross

161 Leaf 24kWh Grey Tekna/SVE with 6.6kW charger
https://speakev.com/threads/nissan-leaf-24kwh-tekna-6-6-kw-non-flex-2016.58441/

Asking £13k... lets say negotiate £12,500, add on flight and ferry would be about €14300

Similar 151 cars here are asking €12300-€13500.

pawrick

zapata wrote: »

How do Irish insurance companies view cat D write offs. Would it be more expensive than standard.

Some insurance companies wont quote on Cat D / will load your policy others don't seem to mind.

stesaurus

Not sure if this qualifies but we really do get shafted on prices sometimes compared to UK. Out of interest I put up a Carwow request for a new Zoe 40. Just got back an offer of £17k for a brand new i-Dynamique Nav which is battery owned version I believe. If you were UK based you could probably also get another 2k scrappage off that. They are circa €30k here right?
So anyway I'm not buying but felt it was a bargain. Would there be any issues with buying brand new direct from th UK, is it possible? It's tempting

unkel

That doesn't make sense. Pretty sure you either got a quote for a 22kWh Zoe battery owned or a 41kWh Zoe battery leased. If it's too good to be true...

Post the exact details of your search and / or the results and I'm sure someone here will figure out what it is

stesaurus

unkel wrote: »

That doesn't make sense. Pretty sure you either got a quote for a 22kWh Zoe battery owned or a 41kWh Zoe battery leased. If it's too good to be true...

Post the exact details of your search and / or the results and I'm sure someone here will figure out what it is

I asked for quotes on both a Dynamique Nav and i-Dynamique. 12k for the Dynamique and 17k for the i version. Carwow shows the discount they can give is nearly 50% of RRP. Seems crazy but others saying similar on speakEV. Pretty sure both were the Z.E. 40, I think only the expression is available in 22kWh

unkel

stesaurus wrote: »

Carwow shows the discount they can give is nearly 50% of RRP

Surely that can't be right? That said anyone paying €27.5k for the base model 41kWh here is a fool. €20k on the road I can believe, but a good bit less than that again in the UK (and they have a lower incentive) is crazy?

Maybe it's true. And Renault are making a massive profit off the people paying more than about €20k for the 41kWh. Fools! (the buyers, not Renault)

stesaurus

It definitely seems genuine. Only issue is that delivery seems to March timeframe which wouldn't bother me as it's then a 181 plate.
I'm seriously considering this. Might be a hassle getting it zero rated for VAT export but around 20k landed for a 41kWh brand new Zoe would be worth it.

737max

I was reading an internal company forum for employees who have EVs and two owenrs were complaining about problems on their Zoes which had the cars sitting in the workshop, one for a month, the other for a week.
The local Renault dealer doesn't really know how to fix the cars. This dealer supplied my last two ICE cars but neither gave mechanical trouble so I never had to test their workshop.
It appears that when an EV goes wrong they are the equivalent of a Mazda RX-8 in that nobody has a clue how to fix them and they scare the bejaysus out of everyone. Hopefully they prove to be as reliable in general as promised.

unkel

Leaf, Ioniq and i3 are generally considered very reliable, with no known issues that could leave you stranded. But there are many reported issues with Zoe, particularly with charging. Teslas are far from reliable but Tesla has a good reputation of fixing things and with the fix generally being better than the original.

Bigus

737max wrote: »

I was reading an internal company forum for employees who have EVs and two owenrs were complaining about problems on their Zoes which had the cars sitting in the workshop, one for a month, the other for a week.
The local Renault dealer doesn't really know how to fix the cars. This dealer supplied my last two ICE cars but neither gave mechanical trouble so I never had to test their workshop.
It appears that when an EV goes wrong they are the equivalent of a Mazda RX-8 in that nobody has a clue how to fix them and they scare the bejaysus out of everyone. Hopefully they prove to be as reliable in general as promised.

I hear the same thing from a VW mechanic re E golfs, engineers are flying in from Germany regularly, even though there's only a few of them on the road .

Shefwedfan

Bigus wrote: »

I hear the same thing from a VW mechanic re E golfs, engineers are flying in from Germany regularly, even though there's only a few of them on the road .

Strange, I am part of VW eGolf World Wide group....the only known issue is the charge cable not been released on some of the 24kw eGolf....

Sorry other issue is sweaky suspension, same on all Golf's but you dont hear it on standard Golf because of engine noise

It doesn't require anyone from Germany to fly in....replace the charge port....

Tell me more about these VW mechanic's? would love to know more about these issues.....

Bigus

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Strange, I am part of VW eGolf World Wide group....the only known issue is the charge cable not been released on some of the 24kw eGolf....

Sorry other issue is sweaky suspension, same on all Golf's but you dont hear it on standard Golf because of engine noise

It doesn't require anyone from Germany to fly in....replace the charge port....

Tell me more about these VW mechanic's? would love to know more about these issues.....

I'll update with more specifics when I see him again , it's more a case of when they do go wrong they're very limited in what they can touch ,hence the regular fly ins , and subsequently cars are off the road for longer , the lack of training on EVs in Ireland Is part of the problem .

Shefwedfan

Bigus wrote: »

I'll update with more specifics when I see him again , it's more a case of when they do go wrong they're very limited in what they can touch ,hence the regular fly ins , and subsequently cars are off the road for longer , the lack of training on EVs in Ireland Is part of the problem .

Thanks, would like to see what the issues are.....

la ultima guagua

Bigus wrote: »

I hear the same thing from a VW mechanic re E golfs, engineers are flying in from Germany regularly, even though there's only a few of them on the road .

Hmmm, would fit in with the extreme lengths that VW dealers go to to avoid selling the things

Shefwedfan

la ultima guagua wrote: »

Hmmm, would fit in with the extreme lengths that VW dealers go to to avoid selling the things

Fairly sweeping statement with nothing to back it up.....

To be honest the problem is not VW but the Irish buyer. Why would a garage bother training mechanics/sales people on electric when last year they probably got zero requests for an electric car

The issue is the idiot Irish buyer who goes out and spends 30-??k on a new VW car and doesn't even bother checking if they should be driving diesel/hybrid/electric.

Of course this will change but take a read of the amount of cr*p on the main motor forum about diesel and it is going to be a slow process.

At least I see VW are trying to engage with Electric car owners.

Bigus

Like it or not , if you talk to the majority of irish car salesman privately they universally across all brands,

call EV's ...... wankermagnets., because of the non buying tyre kickers they attract.

Also no car salesman likes being the first one to tell people that their EV Trade in is unsellable and worth a fraction of the new price !

I've heard this "wankermagnet" phrase firsthand from the MD of a very successful dealership who I know was referring to one of our own boardies ,(as I read the other side of the story on boards)who didn't help the situation By admitting that he had absolutely no interest in buying this manufacturers latest ev product, but was demanding to arrange an test drive so he could compare it to his newish leaf. Without naming names the MD suggested if he was that interested and knowledgeable about this particular model , the said boardsie should get a €50 Ryanair flight to Denmark for a test drive .

It stems from among other things, ignorance and the fact that the EV customers often know more about the product than the sales representative therefore catching them out on their normal bull, along with the fact that an EV trade in is totally undesirable.... at the moment.

Soarer

Bigus wrote: »

Like it or not , if you talk to the majority of irish car salesman privately they universally across all brands,

call EV's ...... wankermagnets., because of the non buying tyre kickers they attract.

That's probably a self fulfilling prophecy though.

Someone comes in to enquire about an EV.
Salesman hasn't a clue and dissuades said customer.
Customer leaves without purchase.
Salesman coins "wankermagnet" and loses even more interest in EVs.
Next customer walks in, and the cycle continues.

ironmonkey

737max wrote: »

I was reading an internal company forum for employees who have EVs and two owenrs were complaining about problems on their Zoes which had the cars sitting in the workshop, one for a month, the other for a week.
The local Renault dealer doesn't really know how to fix the cars. This dealer supplied my last two ICE cars but neither gave mechanical trouble so I never had to test their workshop.
It appears that when an EV goes wrong they are the equivalent of a Mazda RX-8 in that nobody has a clue how to fix them and they scare the bejaysus out of everyone. Hopefully they prove to be as reliable in general as promised.

Well I’m moving from an Rx8 which I loved for 10 years but cost me a fortune in petrol, oil, maintainence and tax to a Leaf. I’ll be going over to the uk before the end of the month to get my new EV. I’d say I’ll save close to 3500 a year.
As I found with the RX internet knowledge will give you an idea of what you need and you can always find someone to do the work.

goz83

Bigus wrote: »

Like it or not , if you talk to the majority of irish car salesman privately they universally across all brands,

call EV's ...... wankermagnets., because of the non buying tyre kickers they attract.

Also no car salesman likes being the first one to tell people that their EV Trade in is unsellable and worth a fraction of the new price !

I've heard this "wankermagnet" phrase firsthand from the MD of a very successful dealership who I know was referring to one of our own boardies ,(as I read the other side of the story on boards)who didn't help the situation By admitting that he had absolutely no interest in buying this manufacturers latest ev product, but was demanding to arrange an test drive so he could compare it to his newish leaf. Without naming names the MD suggested if he was that interested and knowledgeable about this particular model , the said boardsie should get a €50 Ryanair flight to Denmark for a test drive .

It stems from among other things, ignorance and the fact that the EV customers often know more about the product than the sales representative therefore catching them out on their normal bull, along with the fact that an EV trade in is totally undesirable.... at the moment.

Might have given too much details there. There aren’t many boardsies driving EVs and only a couple who (a) drive a newish Leaf and (b) have test driven other EVs after buying their Leaf. I would be utterly surprised if it was Tesla and not at all surprised if it was a certain Dublin based BMW dealer who may have been talking about potential customers with such disdain. It’s all a bit Mad really

Shefwedfan

Bigus wrote: »

Like it or not , if you talk to the majority of irish car salesman privately they universally across all brands,

call EV's ...... wankermagnets., because of the non buying tyre kickers they attract.

Also no car salesman likes being the first one to tell people that their EV Trade in is unsellable and worth a fraction of the new price !

I've heard this "wankermagnet" phrase firsthand from the MD of a very successful dealership who I know was referring to one of our own boardies ,(as I read the other side of the story on boards)who didn't help the situation By admitting that he had absolutely no interest in buying this manufacturers latest ev product, but was demanding to arrange an test drive so he could compare it to his newish leaf. Without naming names the MD suggested if he was that interested and knowledgeable about this particular model , the said boardsie should get a €50 Ryanair flight to Denmark for a test drive .

It stems from among other things, ignorance and the fact that the EV customers often know more about the product than the sales representative therefore catching them out on their normal bull, along with the fact that an EV trade in is totally undesirable.... at the moment.

Another broad sweeping statement

Similar to the eGolf statement....

thierry14

Bigus wrote: »

Like it or not , if you talk to the majority of irish car salesman privately they universally across all brands,

call EV's ...... wankermagnets., because of the non buying tyre kickers they attract.

Also no car salesman likes being the first one to tell people that their EV Trade in is unsellable and worth a fraction of the new price !

I've heard this "wankermagnet" phrase firsthand from the MD of a very successful dealership who I know was referring to one of our own boardies ,(as I read the other side of the story on boards)who didn't help the situation By admitting that he had absolutely no interest in buying this manufacturers latest ev product, but was demanding to arrange an test drive so he could compare it to his newish leaf. Without naming names the MD suggested if he was that interested and knowledgeable about this particular model , the said boardsie should get a €50 Ryanair flight to Denmark for a test drive .

It stems from among other things, ignorance and the fact that the EV customers often know more about the product than the sales representative therefore catching them out on their normal bull, along with the fact that an EV trade in is totally undesirable.... at the moment.

Sounds like a BMW MD alright

Typical ****

Definitely not a Tesla MD, they are lovely in Sandyford, really welcoming, the future

I cant wait till they get it together and crush those *****

Mad_Lad if your reading, don't be a fool and buy that gammy looking i3.

Wait for a Tesla baby

Wheety

Get back to posting bargains! :-)

Any issues with this? Seems very reasonably priced.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201710270713344?

Probably not battery owned at that price?

Also untaxed since May

KCross

Wheety wrote: »

Get back to posting bargains! :-)

Any issues with this? Seems very reasonably priced.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201710270713344?

Probably not battery owned at that price?

Also untaxed since May

Probably battery owned actually but its the Visia spec so its the basic basic model. Not desirable.

Wheety

KCross wrote: »

Probably battery owned actually but its the Visia spec so its the basic basic model. Not desirable.

What would be missing in it from a higher spec model?

KCross

Wheety wrote: »

What would be missing in it from a higher spec model?

A long list.... the biggest items its missing from the Acenta(SV)...

Alloys
Telematics (Battery status and remote heating)
Electric mirrors
Touchscreen
Rear camera
Cruise control
Heat pump (important for efficient cabin heating during winter)
B mode (better regen)
etc

The Tekna(SVE) model has even more again…. Leather, 360 camera, LED lights, Heated seats and steering wheel etc

isnottheword

Its also leased battery even though not stated in advert.

unkel

It is stated in the adverts - title of the ad says "flex"

isnottheword

unkel wrote: »

It is stated in the adverts - title of the ad says "flex"

Ok, I guess they updated the advert then ;-)


EDIT: Actually, no - it doesnt seem to be there...perhaps I need to go to specsavers...

Shefwedfan

isnottheword wrote: »

Ok, I guess they updated the advert then ;-)


EDIT: Actually, no - it doesnt seem to be there...perhaps I need to go to specsavers...

At 8 this morning it said (Flex) in the titel, they have now removed that .....I would be asking which is it

KCross

The car was definitely initially advertised with no mention of flex, then they added it and then removed it again. Thats a worry.

It was a flex car when new according to UK car checks.

The thing is, has the finance been cleared now or not.

As others said, that question needs to be asked and confirmed with RCI before parting with any money.

unkel

For that money, it can only be flex.

ironmonkey

I’m now moving in to the buying phase rather than just looking. I have a couple of cars in the uk that interest me. I’m looking at 2014 / 2015 leaf accenta with the 6.6 charger. I’m going to phone ahead to a couple of dealers looking into info on
Battery bars and any further info on battery health
Tyre health and wear pattern
Presence of SD card
Make sure the granny cable is there

Are there any other questions I should be asking?