This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

Gumbo

slave1 wrote: »

Misleading description too, 85kWh battery whereas the battery is actually 81kWh (77kWh usable),in fairness Tesla have always misled with Model names inferring battery size

In fairness, it’s the same as Nissan Lead owners stating their car has a 24 kWh battery. It’s the advertised figures.

My bmw is a 2 litre engine, well actually it’s not, it’s a 1.995 L engine.

slave1

Not the same really, the Leaf has 24kWh battery, not all is usable but it has that size battery.
The Model S 85 does not have an 85kWh battery, it's 81kWh/~77kWh usable (when new), actually less usable now after mid 2019 software updates.

Gumbo

slave1 wrote: »

Not the same really, the Leaf has 24kWh battery, not all is usable but it has that size battery.
The Model S 85 does not have an 85kWh battery, it's 81kWh/~77kWh usable (when new), actually less usable now after mid 2019 software updates.

Agh right that’s fair enough then. I did not know that to be honest.

ELM327

AP2 Model S facelift for 39k EUR ?
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/tesla-model-s-75kw-new-shape-sunroof/27079206

unkel

UK plates, so add 10% import duty, 21% VAT and also VRT...

ELM327

Sneaky if so as it's not mentioned in the listing and it's from a reputable dealer.

NIMAN

ELM327 wrote: »

Sneaky if so as it's not mentioned in the listing and it's from a reputable dealer.

Along the top of the ad it reads: "This vehicle has a recognised UK/NI registration plate. However, we cannot currently verify ownership of this vehicle in the UK."

ELM327

Yes but that's pretty standard greenlight verification, no indication that the price is ex VAT etc

the_amazing_raisin

unkel wrote: »

UK plates, so add 10% import duty, 21% VAT and also VRT...

If it's registered to a business then you can claim the UK VAT back I think. Still need to pay Irish VAT but at least you won't be double taxed

unkel

I checked and the car is on UK plates, but will actually be sold for that price on Irish plates, with warranty etc. The dealer doesn't know a lot about them, doesn't know if AP is working.

cruisey1987 wrote: »

If it's registered to a business then you can claim the UK VAT back I think.

No you can't. Some cars in the UK are VAT qualifying, which means you don't pay any UK VAT when buying them. But once the UK VAT has been paid, the new owner in Ireland can claim it back

unkel

unkel wrote: »

UK plates, so add 10% import duty, 21% VAT and also VRT...

€39k all in and he's making money on that.
Wonder what he picked it up for.

unkel

Indeed. Was wondering that myself. Or is he paying import duty and VAT?

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

I checked and the car is on UK plates, but will actually be sold for that price on Irish plates, with warranty etc. The dealer doesn't know a lot about them, doesn't know if AP is working.



No you can't. Some cars in the UK are VAT qualifying, which means you don't pay any UK VAT when buying them. But once the UK VAT has been paid, the new owner in Ireland can claim it back

It's AP2 at least, going by the side camera image.
Even if it's not enabled (which can be checked quickly in the menus) its only a few k and you're still getting a good deal.

TheWonderLlama

cruisey1987 wrote: »

If it's registered to a business then you can claim the UK VAT back I think. Still need to pay Irish VAT but at least you won't be double taxed

This is incorrect.


The car has to have been registered to a VAT-registered business in the UK for it to qualify for input VAT reclaim. Hence the VAT Qualifying notice you see on some cars.



As a buyer in Ireland, the only way you can get that car out of the UK without UK VAT is to buy it in your Irish VAT-registered business. You will still have to pay Irish VAT on the importation.

unkel

ELM327 wrote: »

It's AP2 at least, going by the side camera image.
Even if it's not enabled (which can be checked quickly in the menus) its only a few k and you're still getting a good deal.

Yep I told him this :-)

the_amazing_raisin

unkel wrote: »

No you can't. Some cars in the UK are VAT qualifying, which means you don't pay any UK VAT when buying them. But once the UK VAT has been paid, the new owner in Ireland can claim it back

Did you mean can't claim the VAT back?


I thought the deal was that either the seller can deduct the VAT (since it hasn't been paid yet) and say the car was exported, or the buyer can pay the UK VAT and claim it back once they export the vehicle


The tricky part seems to be ensuring the car is never under private ownership. So if a car dealership is selling a former company vehicle, then it was never owned by a private individual, and is VAT qualifying


However if some random person buys a company vehicle, and registers it to their house, then it isn't VAT qualifying because it's now a private vehicle

corks finest

TheWonderLlama wrote: »

This is incorrect.


The car has to have been registered to a VAT-registered business in the UK for it to qualify for input VAT reclaim. Hence the VAT Qualifying notice you see on some cars.


As a buyer in Ireland, the only way you can get that car out of the UK without UK VAT is to buy it in your Irish VAT-registered business. You will still have to pay Irish VAT on the importation.

My sons a brickie employing several other construction workers as a sub contractor in Kent , his full time original address is Derry
Does anyone know if I can buy a car off him without paying vrt etc, or can he "gift " me a car that he has owned several months

Thanks for any advice which will be v welcome, it's a v confusing scenario and one that my old brain can't break down properly

unkel

No. If he already owns a car in Derry on NI plates, then he can give / sell it to you alright and you won't have to pay VRT / import duty as NI is still part of the EU as of the Brexit deal. But not a car on GB plates. And he can't register his GB plated car in NI either and then expect to export it to ROI without VAT / import duty either.

slave1

Messy as fuk, I never got my goal of UK dealer deducting UK VAT (as NEW car for export) from a more than 6month old but less than 6k kms on the clock.
Plan was to take it over the 6k kms prior to VRT inspection and escape Irish VAT.
Those cars were like hen's teeth.

TheWonderLlama

corks finest wrote: »

My sons a brickie employing several other construction workers as a sub contractor in Kent , his full time original address is Derry
Does anyone know if I can buy a car off him without paying vrt etc, or can he "gift " me a car that he has owned several months

Thanks for any advice which will be v welcome, it's a v confusing scenario and one that my old brain can't break down properly

No is the short answer.


you have to register the car within 30 days of landing it in Ireland regardless of whether it was a gift or you bought it.

VRT will be payable.

VAT will be payable.
customs duty may be payable, depending on the car.

corks finest

unkel wrote: »

No. If he already owns a car in Derry on NI plates, then he can give / sell it to you alright and you won't have to pay VRT / import duty as NI is still part of the EU as of the Brexit deal. But not a car on GB plates. And he can't register his GB plated car in NI either and then expect to export it to ROI without VAT / import duty either.

Feck, no he's UK plates, but was going to get him buy a Prius or fit hybrid in Derry in his name tax it for 3 months then "sell "it to me, but from memory I thought you had to have the vehicle in your name taxed etc for 12 months to escape vrt,

(did something similar in 99 when I moved back to Cork)

Thanks

ELM327

You have to keep the car in your (ie his) name for 12 months after import. The only way he could import without VRT is by residence transfer. And since this is not happening here, there is no legal way for you to get the car without paying VRT (and possibly VAT/import duty too depending on GB/NI)

corks finest

ELM327 wrote: »

You have to keep the car in your (ie his) name for 12 months after import. The only way he could import without VRT is by residence transfer. And since this is not happening here, there is no legal way for you to get the car without paying VRT (and possibly VAT/import duty too depending on GB/NI)

Thanks

the_amazing_raisin

Low mileage 2019 Kona for under €30k

https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/hyundai/kona/fpa/202102058737877?journey=Search

I know the Kona isn't the best specced vehicle out there, but it seems like a good price for a long range EV

slave1

cruisey1987 wrote: »

Low mileage 2019 Kona for under €30k

https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/hyundai/kona/fpa/202102058737877?journey=Search

I know the Kona isn't the best specced vehicle out there, but it seems like a good price for a long range EV

Just like the Leaf24/30, want to be sure that's a 64kWh version, could be 39kWh

the_amazing_raisin

slave1 wrote: »

Just like the Leaf24/30, want to be sure that's a 64kWh version, could be 39kWh

Fair point, did they bring out the 39kWh version in 2019? I thought that only landed in 2020 along with the Kia

Orebro

162 Ioniq for €13,999 from Electric Autos - highish mileage but from a very trustworthy source in Phil:

https://www.electricautos.ie/vehicles/hyundai/ioniq/kildare/2749880

unkel

It was mentioned here last week that it was incoming. Great value for money. If I were in the market for another EV, I'd scoop this up. Someone want to buy a performance Tesla while I wait on the delivery of my Plaid+? :pac:

slave1

€40k Model 3 SR+ anyone, looks in excellent nick and some appealing extras...

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/tesla-model-3-sr-zero-roi-import-charges/27172436

ELM327

The owner is in the Tesla Owners FB group.