This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

unkel · 21-04-2021 8:51pm

FSD capabilities the ad says. That's ambiguous. All of them have the capability to have FSD (all hardware in place) but whether the owner actually paid for FSD makes all the difference here. If they did, the car is a bit of a bargain if you value what FSD may bring in the coming years. If it's not paid for, this car ain't no bargain...

the_amazing_raisin · 21-04-2021 10:13pm

unkel wrote: »

FSD capabilities the ad says. That's ambiguous. All of them have the capability to have FSD (all hardware in place) but whether the owner actually paid for FSD makes all the difference here. If they did, the car is a bit of a bargain if you value what FSD may bring in the coming years. If it's not paid for, this car ain't no bargain...

I thought the FSD was removed when the car changes hands, something about it being linked to the owner and not the car?

unkel · 21-04-2021 10:36pm

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

I thought the FSD was removed when the car changes hands, something about it being linked to the owner and not the car?

Only when Tesla sells the car

slave1 · 22-04-2021 9:02am

Not sure, ad states
Extra features

These are in addition to what this car typically comes with as standard:

Full Self-Driving Capability

Leads me to believe it has, anyhow, if anyone is interested they can go on chat and find out, also find out is it a pre 31.12.20 NI reg

jhegarty · 22-04-2021 12:36pm

unkel wrote: »

FSD capabilities the ad says. That's ambiguous. All of them have the capability to have FSD (all hardware in place) but whether the owner actually paid for FSD makes all the difference here. If they did, the car is a bit of a bargain if you value what FSD may bring in the coming years. If it's not paid for, this car ain't no bargain...

"Full Self-Driving Capability" is the name of the €7,500 add-on.

ELM327 · 27-04-2021 6:19pm

S P85 £24k

This one is a potential bargain even with paying VAT on import?
£24k = €27k
€27k* 0.23 (VAT) = €6250
Expenses = €750
VRT = 0 (??)

Total: €34k landed. With free SuC for life, free premium connectivity, 22kW AC.

unkel · 27-04-2021 6:49pm

No warranty, big miles, the hassle of bringing it in - that's still a lot of money €34k

There's a late 2016 facelift white S75 in the North for £30k and there before Brexit so zero VAT

Linky

I couldn't stand white myself, but that's much more of a bargain.

Kramer · 27-04-2021 10:39pm

ELM327 wrote: »

]S P85 £24k[/URL]

This one is a potential bargain even with paying VAT on import?
£24k = €27k
€27k* 0.23 (VAT) = €6250
Expenses = €750
VRT = 0 (??)

Total: €34k landed. With free SuC for life, free premium connectivity, 22kW AC.

Isn't there a 10% tariff now too? It's hard to keep up with the taxes these days

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ELM327 · 28-04-2021 9:17am

unkel wrote: »

No warranty, big miles, the hassle of bringing it in - that's still a lot of money €34k

There's a late 2016 facelift white S75 in the North for £30k and there before Brexit so zero VAT

Linky

I couldn't stand white myself, but that's much more of a bargain.

Thats only a 75 though

Kramer wrote: »

Isn't there a 10% tariff now too? It's hard to keep up with the taxes these days .

Yes, when I imported from outside the EU in 2015 there was VAT @ 21%, Customs/Excise @ 10% and VRT @ €200.

Adding the 10% makes it 37k

Gumbo · 28-04-2021 10:20am

unkel wrote: »

No warranty, big miles, the hassle of bringing it in - that's still a lot of money €34k

There's a late 2016 facelift white S75 in the North for £30k and there before Brexit so zero VAT

Linky

I couldn't stand white myself, but that's much more of a bargain.

S75 though.
I have a loaner S70 the last 2 weeks and I don’t like it at all. I want my P back!

ELM327 · 28-04-2021 10:23am

The smaller battery and rwd puts me off.

slave1 · 28-04-2021 10:46am

If it was a 75D then maybe, 4.2 to 100 and range just under that of an 85 RWD.

unkel · 28-04-2021 10:54am

ELM327 wrote: »

The smaller battery and rwd puts me off.

RWD is a big bonus over AWD

Agree with Gumbo though. Most Teslas feel lethargic when you are used to a P model. We're spoilt. I can't imagine what I'd buy next that is as good as our cars...

SteelyDanJalapeno · 28-04-2021 9:35pm

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/nissan-leaf-2015-extremely-low-mileage/27041022

Is this a good price? What range would be on this?

the_amazing_raisin · 28-04-2021 9:54pm

SteelyDanJalapeno wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/nissan-leaf-2015-extremely-low-mileage/27041022

Is this a good price? What range would be on this?

If the battery health is good then it's a decent price, not quite a bargain

Mileage isn't as good an indication of how good condition an EV is in. For example if you leave the battery at 100% without using the car for a long time then that'll degrade the battery more than driving 50km a day

You'd need to see a picture of the instrument cluster, there's a narrow ribbon of 12 bars to the right of the GOM. If the car has 12/12 bars then it has more than 85% of it's battery capacity remaining. Anything less than that will indicate the battery is degrading and will reduce the usable range

24kWh Leaf will typically get 100-120km of range.

If you're going to view the car, get yourself an OBD dongle and download LeafSpy on your phone. That's give you more detailed information on battery health

unkel · 29-04-2021 12:12am

Wouldn't even call that a good price. It looks like a nice car that was well kept, but the price is high. It's from a dealer though, so you will get a warranty with it. Personally, for €10k I would want a 30kWh Leaf. For a few grand more than that again, you'd be in Ioniq territory

slave1 · 29-04-2021 2:27pm

Don't like the way the ad states "Price includes VRT and Nox", is that a fresh import (nothing wrong with that), but I'd certainly like clarity on it's VATable status.
9k max is all I'd give once it checks out.

the_amazing_raisin · 29-04-2021 3:07pm

slave1 wrote: »

Don't like the way the ad states "Price includes VRT and Nox", is that a fresh import (nothing wrong with that), but I'd certainly like clarity on it's VATable status.
9k max is all I'd give once it checks out.

Yeah I found that pretty suspicious. I assumed it was just a generic like in the description, or else someone got screwed paying a NOX charge on a Leaf

embraer170 · 29-04-2021 9:51pm

unkel wrote: »

Wouldn't even call that a good price. It looks like a nice car that was well kept, but the price is high. It's from a dealer though, so you will get a warranty with it. Personally, for €10k I would want a 30kWh Leaf. For a few grand more than that again, you'd be in Ioniq territory

Do you really get a 30kWh Leaf for €10k in Ireland these days?

unkel · 29-04-2021 10:22pm

Yep, we've seen a few already. Now that won't be from a dealer and that is unlikely to be a car that looks as well or with as low a mileage as the above car, but they have been there alright. We've also already seen a sub €14k Ioniq. Also not the norm, but they are there.

ELM327 · 30-04-2021 10:12am

for 11-12k you would get a slighlty better 30kWh. If Hoovie's Garage has taught me anything, it's never buy the absolute cheapest :P

unkel · 30-04-2021 11:06am

My usual tactic is to go for a reasonably priced half decent one and then through negotiations turned it into the absolute cheapest

the_amazing_raisin · 30-04-2021 11:30am

unkel wrote: »

My usual tactic is to go for a reasonably priced half decent one and then through negotiations turned it into the absolute cheapest

Are you available for hire?

unkel · 01-05-2021 11:28am

Prices of Tesla Model S creeping up?

Cheapest one for sale in the country is now €37k. A pre-facelift white 70D. Private sale, no Auto Pilot, no warranty (apart from the Tesla warranty on battery and drivetrain for another 2 years). Not much of a bargain in my book. But I'm a bit biased as I don't like white cars.

the_amazing_raisin · 02-05-2021 8:08pm

Not sure it counts as a bargain but there are a few Konas going well below €30k

https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/hyundai/kona/fpa/202103099945311?journey=Search

I'm a bit suspicious considering the cheapest 64kWh E-Niros are asking over €35k. Was there a smaller battery Kona? I thought they only did the 64kWh version

I know the Irish Kona didn't have a great spec, but if it is the bigger battery then I'd say it's the cheapest long range EV going at the moment

unkel · 02-05-2021 8:28pm

There was only the 64kWh version of the Kona. eNiro is a newer, bigger, better equipped and more desirable car. Their prices will stay higher for a bit longer.

That said, a Kona electric in a private sale with an asking price of €27.5k (before haggling) most certainly is a bargain in my book!

Kramer · 02-05-2021 10:35pm

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Not sure it counts as a bargain but there are a few Konas going well below €30k

https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/hyundai/kona/fpa/202103099945311?journey=Search

17k km in over 2 years - barely 160km per week. That's likely 60c/km in depreciation alone, never mind possible finance costs, €200 to Hyundai for annual servicing & if they publically charged, upwards of €1/km to run that Kona :eek:.

unkel · 02-05-2021 10:42pm

Kramer wrote: »

upwards of €1/km to run that Kona :eek:.

Meh. Last time I taxed my Porsche for the year, the car cost me upwards of €2/km. In motor tax alone :eek:

Agree that it is crazy to have paid the guts of €40k for a small long range poor spec EV if you are not going to pick up any of the benefits of EV owning much in terms of fuel cost savings...

Kramer · 02-05-2021 10:50pm

unkel wrote: »

Meh. Last time I taxed my Porsche for the year, the car cost me upwards of €2/km. In motor tax alone :eek:

[mods PM'd as clearly someone has hacked unkel's account here......this is clearly not unkel ]

unkel wrote: »

Agree that it is crazy to have paid the guts of €40k for a small long range poor spec EV if you are not going to pick up any of the benefits of EV driving much in terms of fuel cost savings...

Maybe it's a city thing? Culchie priorities are:
1. will she pull a box?
2. is she hard on daysul? &
3. is the tax cheap?

Good for the used market though - the next clued in owner saves €10k & can rack up cheap miles.........she'll still have reasonable mileage after another 2 years at 35k km/year & have a year's warranty.....so hold good value.

fits · 03-05-2021 7:33am

Kramer wrote: »

17k km in over 2 years - barely 160km per week. That's likely 60c/km in depreciation alone, never mind possible finance costs, €200 to Hyundai for annual servicing & if they publically charged, upwards of €1/km to run that Kona :eek:.

It’s possible that owner thought they’d be doing a lot more driving. Been a strange old time.

This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

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