This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

Black_Knight

unkel wrote: »

Indeed, but he never needs more than Ioniq range, except on 6 days a year. Depends if it is important to him not to have to stop on those days.

Ioniq is far bigger and more comfortable car. Kona is a supermini size car really, very small in the back, suitable for 2 small kids max

So depends on his priorities and needs really

ELM327 wrote: »

Yes but it's at a 55% increase over the Ioniq price. And you lose a lot of features (adaptive cruise for instance), combined with the kona being so teeny it's a 2 seater effectively.


If it's only for 6 days a year, I'd keep the 10k and budget for some fast charging.

Exactly. If it's 6 days a year, i'd take the ioniq every time. It's a far better spec'd machine than the kona, and far more practical. I only sold my ioniq because it couldn't carry everything we needed (growing family). The charging aspect didn't really bother me - sure didn't we have to stop in Roscrea on our last drive home because the kids weren't happy. I do like the extra range, but 10k in my pocket is pretty nice too. (there's an obvious argument which says I could of saved €10k and got the ID.4 city, but it's a lesser car spec'd car than the 1st, while the Ioniq is a better spec'd car than the Kona).

the_amazing_raisin

ELM327 wrote: »

Yes but it's at a 55% increase over the Ioniq price. And you lose a lot of features (adaptive cruise for instance), combined with the kona being so teeny it's a 2 seater effectively.


If it's only for 6 days a year, I'd keep the 10k and budget for some fast charging.

No ACC on a car that cost nearly €40k :eek:

What is this, 2011?

ELM327

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

No ACC on a car that cost nearly €40k :eek:

What is this, 2011?

It's paddy spec. We only got one spec.

In the UK the premium and premium SE got ACC as standard.
We got a lot of the premium level trim and some of the premium SE (eg heated seats etc) but lost the ACC.
Completely ridiculous.

unkel

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

No ACC on a car that cost nearly €40k :eek:

What is this, 2011?

Is active cruise control, autonomous emergency braking and auto steer standard on all VW ID.3 and ID.4 in 2021, like it was on the 2016 €25k Hyundai Ioniq?

unkel

Black_Knight wrote: »

I only sold my ioniq because it couldn't carry everything we needed (growing family).

I only sold my Ioniq because I could buy a Tesla at a crazy cheap price.

I've had many a nice family car before Ioniq: BMWs, Mercedes, Rover, Saab, Jaguar. All petrol, most of them 6 cylinder and V8 automatics, so plenty of luxury, power and refinement there

Yet it was only when I sold Ioniq that my wife was sad to see it go, the only car she ever said she really loved

eagerv

unkel wrote: »

Is active cruise control, autonomous emergency braking and auto steer standard on all VW ID.3 and ID.4 in 2021, like it was on the 2016 €25k Hyundai Ioniq?

AFAIK yes, except Basic models only include Lane Keep, not full lane follow.

unkel

eagerv wrote: »

AFAIK yes, except Basic models only include Lane Keep, not full lane follow.

I think the full lane follow is only standard on the top models? I guess this is 2021 and things are moving on a bit. Kona Irish spec in 2019 was a disgrace. And in 2022 all new EU cars must have all of the above as standard.

eagerv

unkel wrote: »

I think the full lane follow is only standard on the top models? I guess this is 2021 and things are moving on a bit. Kona Irish spec in 2019 was a disgrace. And in 2022 all new EU cars must have all of the above as standard.

Agree, actually the price was nearer €42 when I checked and there was little movement at the time from the dealer. The usual crap such as impossible to get etc..:).
Apart from no ACC what really annoyed me re the spec here was the non LED lights and the tiny info screen (Smaller than Ioniq).

unkel

eagerv wrote: »

Agree, actually the price was nearer €42 when I checked and there was little movement at the time from the dealer. The usual crap such as impossible to get etc..:).

Well, they did sell by the sh1tloads here in Ireland. I guess companies are not charities and should maximise profit. Looks like Hyundai Ireland did just that. Can't blame them, there was literally zero competition for the long range Kona back in 2019, apart from Teslas costing twice as much...

eagerv

unkel wrote: »

Well, they did sell by the sh1tloads here in Ireland. I guess companies are not charities and should maximise profit. Looks like Hyundai Ireland did just that. Can't blame them, there was literally zero competition for the long range Kona back in 2019, apart from Teslas costing twice as much...

It is a car I always liked and seriously considered one. But I think Hyundai Ireland were too greedy and specced the model incorrectly here. They got the Irish spec Ionic a lot better IMO.

eclipsechaser

Many thanks to the posters for their opinions on the Kona and Ioniq. Plenty to consider now before a purchase.

irishgrover

eclipsechaser wrote: »

Many thanks to the posters for their opinions on the Kona and Ioniq. Plenty to consider now before a purchase.

I would agree with the general consensus. Ioniq is a better and bigger car, and having to charge a few times a year is really not that much of an issue.
I drove a premium SE for 3 years and loved it. (I did a lot of fast charging)

unkel

I had to dig this thread up from deeper than it had ever sunk down the pages. Not many EV bargains around any more

Here's a decent value EV: 152 Tesla Model S P85D, 7 seater, NCT until late 2023, well over 2 years Tesla warranty left on battery and drivetrain and it's a garage sale so the car comes with 12 month garage warranty. Asking €37k, but are they really going to refuse a firm €35k offer?



Linky


Has the AutoPilot 1 hardware, but the ad doesn't mention if it is activated (otherwise it would cost €2k from Tesla). You need to check for yourself, but it is likely a high spec with free supercharging, dual chargers (for 23kW AC charging) and free premium connectivity

the_amazing_raisin

With demand vastly outstripping supply then bargains are going to be a rarity, certainly for vehicles with good range

I would have thought there'd be a rake of Leaf's and Ioniqs about from people trading up to ID.3s and E-Niros, but there doesn't seem to be as many as expected

I wonder are people trading their partners' ICE cars and going full electric (that's what we did )

Gumbo

unkel wrote: »

I had to dig this thread up from deeper than it had ever sunk down the pages. Not many EV bargains around any more

Here's a decent value EV: 152 Tesla Model S P85D, 7 seater, NCT until late 2023, well over 2 years Tesla warranty left on battery and drivetrain and it's a garage sale so the car comes with 12 month garage warranty. Asking €37k, but are they really going to refuse a firm €35k offer?



Linky


Has the AutoPilot 1 hardware, but the ad doesn't mention if it is activated (otherwise it would cost €2k from Tesla). You need to check for yourself, but it is likely a high spec with free supercharging, dual chargers (for 23kW AC charging) and free premium connectivity

That’s a good car for a good price.
Dealer would be well enough known too so some form of genuine warranty would be present.
For comparison, a large south Dublin dealer offered me €35k trade in for my 142 P85+ towards a 201 M3P recently.

And even more recent, another garage offered €35,500 to take my car towards a P90DL.

That P85D is very tempting.

Gumbo

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

With demand vastly outstripping supply then bargains are going to be a rarity, certainly for vehicles with good range

I would have thought there'd be a rake of Leaf's and Ioniqs about from people trading up to ID.3s and E-Niros, but there doesn't seem to be as many as expected

I wonder are people trading their partners' ICE cars and going full electric (that's what we did )

Very possible.
But, it’s also proof that the “limited range” on the early Leaf and ioniq is more than suitable for the vast majority of owners despite public opinion that we need 1000km range EV’s that charge in 38 seconds!

unkel

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

I would have thought there'd be a rake of Leaf's and Ioniqs about from people trading up to ID.3s and E-Niros, but there doesn't seem to be as many as expected

I'd say for the overwhelming majority of buyers, the ID.3 and ID.4 are their first EV.

NIMAN

Gumbo wrote: »

Very possible.
But, it’s also proof that the “limited range” on the early Leaf and ioniq is more than suitable for the vast majority of owners despite public opinion that we need 1000km range EV’s that charge in 38 seconds!

This is situation I am in.

I thought of changing my 2014 Leaf, but the prices of EVs to change to was simply too high to justify it. My current Leaf, despite losing its first bar, is still more than capable of satisfying our daily needs.

In fact, the lowest it has been in the last 18 months before recharging at night would be in the 30s%.
By the end of most days it could be sitting at 50-60%.

Old Leaf's could still play a bit role for many drivers, but as mentioned, they want an EV to do 500km before they'll even consider it.

the_amazing_raisin

unkel wrote: »

I'd say for the overwhelming majority of buyers, the ID.3 and ID.4 are their first EV.

Yeah, just a spot check from where I live it's about 75% are replacing an ICE car

I remember when I was looking at trading the Leaf the salesman mentioned they were getting a lot of Leaf's traded in which was pushing the value down

I guess it goes back to demand, there's huge demand out for long range EVs so bargains are going to be few and far between

the_amazing_raisin

Gumbo wrote: »

Very possible.
But, it’s also proof that the “limited range” on the early Leaf and ioniq is more than suitable for the vast majority of owners despite public opinion that we need 1000km range EV’s that charge in 38 seconds!

Absolutely, so far we've only done 3 trips with the ID.4 which would have required a fast charge with the Leaf. We got away with using Leaf as the main car for years

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

I had to dig this thread up from deeper than it had ever sunk down the pages. Not many EV bargains around any more

Here's a decent value EV: 152 Tesla Model S P85D, 7 seater, NCT until late 2023, well over 2 years Tesla warranty left on battery and drivetrain and it's a garage sale so the car comes with 12 month garage warranty. Asking €37k, but are they really going to refuse a firm €35k offer?



Linky


Has the AutoPilot 1 hardware, but the ad doesn't mention if it is activated (otherwise it would cost €2k from Tesla). You need to check for yourself, but it is likely a high spec with free supercharging, dual chargers (for 23kW AC charging) and free premium connectivity

Saw that one. Great bargain.
The early cars 2014-15 seem to be going for mid 30's here now, and that includes Performance spec and also AP1.


If you don't mind being limited to AP1 and having the nosecone (and getting free SuC) then there are deals to be had here.

slave1

ELM327 wrote: »

If you don't mind being limited to AP1 and having the nosecone (and getting free SuC) then there are deals to be had here.

I've had AP 2.0 and 2.5 on loaners and being honest prefer 1.0.
1.0 is way smoother in keeping between the lines, above that and it's jerky.
Also I've never had phantom breaking with 1.0 and had a few examples in both 2.0/2.5 and it's not pretty.
Navigate on Autopilot not that great when you've lots of junctions or any roundabouts/lights en route.
I know 1.0 is different company and now dead in terms of upkeep but I'd prefer it

ELM327

I had 1.0 on my car too, and like you AP2,2.5,3 on loaners from S and 3. I think the AP2 onwards is much better but there are things that 1.0 does as good or better still, years afterwards. It's just the lack of futureproofing that would make me want an AP2 car - but sure it can't even do speed sign recognition well yet and the phantom braking is worse!

Gumbo

unkel wrote: »

I had to dig this thread up from deeper than it had ever sunk down the pages. Not many EV bargains around any more

Here's a decent value EV: 152 Tesla Model S P85D, 7 seater, NCT until late 2023, well over 2 years Tesla warranty left on battery and drivetrain and it's a garage sale so the car comes with 12 month garage warranty. Asking €37k, but are they really going to refuse a firm €35k offer?



Linky


Has the AutoPilot 1 hardware, but the ad doesn't mention if it is activated (otherwise it would cost €2k from Tesla). You need to check for yourself, but it is likely a high spec with free supercharging, dual chargers (for 23kW AC charging) and free premium connectivity

Deposit taken on the P85D.

zg3409

€4,250 EV van. Go on go on...
Dundalk

https://www.adverts.ie/car/other-cars/other-other-cars/piaggio-porter-electric/24082472


https://piaggiocommercialuk.com/range/electric-power/

the_amazing_raisin

zg3409 wrote: »

€4,250 EV van. Go on go on...
Dundalk

https://www.adverts.ie/car/other-cars/other-other-cars/piaggio-porter-electric/24082472


https://piaggiocommercialuk.com/range/electric-power/

The seller certainly has a sense of humour

Also ideal for advertising vehicle
Real head Turner

Something like that would actually make a pretty good coffee van

unkel

It's been for sale for a while, price has been dropping. If I didn't have 2 EVs already, I'd be tempted

Anyone know the specs of these? 96V would suggest a 32S LiFePo4 pack? Or am I being optimistic and this is a good ole lead acid?

the_amazing_raisin

unkel wrote: »

It's been for sale for a while, price has been dropping. If I didn't have 2 EVs already, I'd be tempted

Anyone know the specs of these? 96V would suggest a 32S LiFePo4 pack? Or am I being optimistic and this is a good ole lead acid?

That price and voltage suggests it's something like a forklift or golf car battery, so could very well be lead acid. If that's the case I think there are off the shelf conversions to LFP or other chemistries

Go on unkel, you know you want the hat trick of EVs in your life

ELM327

I've been watching that one as well. I'd love it if we had moved already. Moving house takes so long, even moreso these days.

Both EVs on this page (the cheap p85d and ridiculous speed limited lead acid van) are right up my street

unkel

Details are in the link that zg3409 provided. 17kWh lead acid, so just 8.5kWh usable, top speed 55km/h and charges at 2kW

The seller probably went through great expense replacing the batteries, he shouldn't have done that as he will lose money on it. I'd say the van would be a decent buy at €2k with older but usable batteries and perhaps €300-400 more as is