This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

Nedved85

ELM327 wrote: »

I don't see anything about for parts?

True,

I'm just reading into that myself after a first glance.

Not up on what salvage means exactly, something must be wrong with it though.

KCross

ELM327 wrote: »

Bargain or problem?
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/30-kwh-acenta-category-d/21725986

Impossible to tell really from those crap pictures but its missing an alloy and the Nissan badge at the front so it has clearly taken frontal damage.... i'd be checking out both charging ports are working and everything else in detail before parting with any money.

Markcheese

Nedved85 wrote: »

True,

I'm just reading into that myself after a first glance.

Not up on what salvage means exactly, something must be wrong with it though.

Its been written off by an insurance company(in the UK) , and then put back on the road... Could have just needed a minor fix.. Or not...

zg3409

Markcheese wrote: »

Nedved85 wrote: »

True,

I'm just reading into that myself after a first glance.

Not up on what salvage means exactly, something must be wrong with it though.

Its been written off by an insurance company(in the UK) , and then put back on the road... Could have just needed a minor fix.. Or not...

I would have a few concerns.
Firstly is it safe, I would like car to come with an engineers report after repair, and an independent engineers report from a repair expert.
Then you may have insurance issues, unless it is certified officially back on the road. The fact they did not get a matching wheel suggests a quick bodge. I would be worried the parts used may be from stolen leafs, I would look for parts purchase through a dealer or from official scrapyard.

I would be worried if car was off the road for a long time for repair, issues such as tyre sagging, new brake fluid needed etc. , main battery issues if left flat. I would want full driving range test to check real world range, as GOM can not be relied upon until the car is driven full to flat on a few trips. Even things like leafspy could no be relied upon until the battery management system has seen multiple full to flat cycle on the battery. At least the seller is upfront on a chequered past.

pdpmur

Nedved85 wrote: »

True,

I'm just reading into that myself after a first glance.

Not up on what salvage means exactly, something must be wrong with it though.

If you browse to the uk autotrader site and at the top of the main page you will find a link to "safety advice" and on the subsequent page there is a section on the various insurance damage categories.
Generally, Category D is for the lowest class of damage (non-structural and cosmetic) and have been written-off by the insurer purely for economic reasons.
If you can get documentation from the purchaser that the car was repaired at a suitable facility then the only other issue is your own insurance company which might decide to up your premium (because they can) and the fact that the car will always be worth a bit less and a bit harder to move on when you want to sell-up.
I have bought Class D damaged vehicles from the UK and had no subsequent problems, but at the end of the day it comes down to your own risk/reward profile.

Black_Knight

Black_Knight wrote: »

I've seen this one online for a while now, and the total white never really appealed to me. Even wrapped the entire back of the car:
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2017-premium-5dr-automatic-full-electric-sat-nav/20985798

^^ NOT A BARGAIN

Black_Knight wrote: »

Dropped in price to 23k. I can't be the only one who just naturally assumes that dealership is dodgy? It's been for sale for ages too.

On a side note, it seems like Ioniqs are dropping a bit in price.

Sure if you can't sell it with 1 dodgy dealership, try a 2nd!
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2017-premium-5dr-automatic-full-electric-sat-nav/21742057

unkel

It's the cheapest Ioniq electric for sale anywhere in the UK & Ireland. Why is it NOT A BARGAIN?

Shefwedfan

unkel wrote: »

It's the cheapest Ioniq electric for sale anywhere in the UK & Ireland. Why is it NOT A BARGAIN?

Both of those dealers are questionable.


Now that was a PR way to say what I really meant :P

unkel

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Both of those dealers are questionable.

Doesn't really matter. The car is still under bumper to bumper manufacturers warranty for another 3 years. Unless the car was crashed or stolen or has finance outstanding on it or something.

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

Doesn't really matter. The car is still under bumper to bumper manufacturers warranty for another 3 years. Unless the car was crashed or stolen or has finance outstanding on it or something.

And anything like that will show up on a report.
You won't find many dodgily repaired 25k new cars

Shefwedfan

unkel wrote: »

Doesn't really matter. The car is still under bumper to bumper manufacturers warranty for another 3 years. Unless the car was crashed or stolen or has finance outstanding on it or something.

Personally for the sake of a few quid I would prefer to go to Phil, give him my budget and see if he can source a car.



I couldn't be bothered going with certain dealers, yes a few years ago and I got burnt for my troubles but not anymore. Less stress in life the better


Personal choice

unkel

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Personally for the sake of a few quid I would prefer to go to Phil, give him my budget and see if he can source a car.

Yeah that's a sound choice. But what can Phil do for you when the cheapest Ioniq electric on Autotrader is GBP23k?

Shefwedfan

unkel wrote: »

Yeah that's a sound choice. But what can Phil do for you when the cheapest Ioniq electric on Autotrader is GBP23k?

Phil is not buying off autotrader. I would guess he buys direct from the likes of Leaseplan etc. I don't know who exactly and I wouldn't like to guess.



If the car hits autotrader then the margin that Phil could potentially make would be tiny

unkel

I know he does. My point is though that Phil will not be able to sell you an Ioniq electric for €23k

Shefwedfan

unkel wrote: »

I know he does. My point is though that Phil will not be able to sell you an Ioniq electric for €23k

Doesn't hurt to ask

ltd440

cheap 2013 leaf with 11 bars and 200k on the clock,asking for 7500 but probably gettable for 7 https://www.adverts.ie/car/nissan/leaf/2013-nissan-leaf-great-deal-on-a-well-looked-after-car/17853574

pdpmur

Here's a strange one - Tesla 90d (but currently effectively a "0d")
https://www.copart.co.uk/lot/36158989
Why would such a car be offered for sale without its traction battery? If the battery was dud then surely it would be just replaced under warranty?
If the battery was accident damaged then again would it simply be a case of replacing it?
Or is it just a case of the insurance company just cutting and running?
BTW how does the driver's display report a current 285 mile range if there's no battery in the car?
Any ideas?

listermint

ltd440 wrote: »

cheap 2013 leaf with 11 bars and 200k on the clock,asking for 7500 but probably gettable for 7 https://www.adverts.ie/car/nissan/leaf/2013-nissan-leaf-great-deal-on-a-well-looked-after-car/17853574

They really got their mileage out of that

Markcheese

listermint wrote: »

They really got their mileage out of that

Its 125 thousand miles, so not ridiculous
Isn't it more time than mileage that affects the battery? (I suppose number of complete charges counts too.)

ELM327

Ioniq finally starting to depreciate

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-ioniq-ev-5dr-auto/21903998

Hurrache

They've been around that price since I started looking, albeit that's not too long.

Are they considered too expensive when new?

ELM327

First sub £30k Model S for a while
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201905168015399?onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&radius=1500&sort=price-asc&make=TESLA&advertising-location=at_cars&postcode=l10aa&page=1

ELM327

Hurrache wrote: »

They've been around that price since I started looking, albeit that's not too long.

Are they considered too expensive when new?

They hovered around €25k for the last 12 months, only starting to come down now as supply increases and demand shifts to Kona (which also has supply issues)


Considering the kona is near 40k, 21k for an Ioniq seems a bargain.

unkel

ELM327 wrote: »

First sub £30k Model S for a while
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201905168015399?onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&radius=1500&sort=price-asc&make=TESLA&advertising-location=at_cars&postcode=l10aa&page=1

Cat S write off though. Structural damage.

ELM327

You'd be surprised how little can make a car a cat D/C.
A minor at fault accident requiring a couple of panels on a model S could cause a write off. Although I agree, you'd need to see an engineers report and before and after photos.

ELM327

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/kia-soul-available-today-all-new-soul-electric-64/21907948

New kia soul EV? I thought this was slated for 2020 release
Not cheap, but I consider it a bargain considering it is the same price as the paddy spec kona with same range and drivetrain but has the spec the Kona here doesnt (adaptive cruise)

Black_Knight

Cheapest Ioniq i've "seen" (waiting for pics)

€22k, grand mileage, standard Irish spec im sure.
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-ioniq-ev-5dr-auto/21903998

unkel

ELM327 wrote: »

You'd be surprised how little can make a car a cat D/C.
A minor at fault accident requiring a couple of panels on a model S could cause a write off.

It's not C or D, it's S

Structural damage. Pretty bad. I wouldn't touch it.

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

It's not C or D, it's S

Structural damage. Pretty bad. I wouldn't touch it.

"To measure how badly damaged a car is it will fall under one of four categories – called A, B, S and N –which replaced the old C and D categories in October 2017"



https://www.carwow.co.uk/guides/choosing/what-is-a-cat-c-or-cat-d-car


Cat S is what used to be Cat C

unkel

Still:

"Category S cars have suffered structural damage"

I don't mind a written off car (because say of a few panels as per your example), but I wouldn't touch a car with structural damage.