This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

obi604

n97 mini wrote: »

You don't really need Leafspy to determine soh. The range indicated in km at 100% charge divided by 160 is very close. So 105/160 is about 66%, which is about right for a 9 bar Leaf.

On Gen 1 leaf......

So let’s say the range was showing 100km
Then divide this by 160 equals 0.625.

So 62% battery state of health.
I think I heard someone say before that each percent of battery roughly equals 1KM? (as in ignore the GOM and use this formula)

unkel

Calling ELM327...

2017 Model X just GBP52,500. That is cheap. Only a 5 seater but has AP




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ELM327

Now that is nice.
If we can close our house sale + purchase quickly then that might be on the cards.
Had been looking at the irish P85D that's on DD at the moment, been there a while, was planning to get my haggling boots out! But a model X would be infinitely better (for me, I love them!, would make do with a 75D just to have one if needed)

unkel

ELM327 wrote: »

Had been looking at the irish P85D that's on DD at the moment, been there a while

This '15 €50k one? Not that much of a bargain although you will get nice performance. From a dealer though so unlikely you will get the at least €5k off that you'd need for it to be reasonable value. Personally I wouldn't even buy it for €40k.

slave1

What a mad lack of effort for an ad on an asking of that amount

antiskeptic

zg3409 wrote: »

UK models of that age all had heated steering wheel, not ROI

Anyone tell me why a steering wheel needs to be heated?

Mickeroo

antiskeptic wrote: »

Anyone tell me why a steering wheel needs to be heated?

It isn't needed but it's utterly delightful on a cold winter morning.

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

This '15 €50k one? Not that much of a bargain although you will get nice performance. From a dealer though so unlikely you will get the at least €5k off that you'd need for it to be reasonable value. Personally I wouldn't even buy it for €40k.

That's the one.

I'd not be paying more than €45k for it, but 40k is too low for a performance D model.

antiskeptic

Mickeroo wrote: »

It isn't needed but it's utterly delightful on a cold winter morning.

Hmm. Fast forward 10 years and we'll be extolling on the virtues of heated indicator stalk tips and radio volume buttons. Heck, we might even have heated airbags in case of an accident between our house and the end of the road ☺

I understand the attraction of car evolution from the standpoint of being in a 1st world bubble. But heated steering wheels (like electric windows before them) jars with a world where many live on a couple of $ a day.

ELM327

antiskeptic wrote: »

Hmm. Fast forward 10 years and we'll be extolling on the virtues of heated indicator stalk tips and radio volume buttons. Heck, we might even have heated airbags in case of an accident between our house and the end of the road ☺

I understand the attraction of car evolution from the standpoint of being in a 1st world bubble. But heated steering wheels (like electric windows before them) jars with a world where many live on a couple of $ a day.

so does a €1000 iPhone built for peanuts in China, or €80 on a toy that is built for less than 10% of that by children. Or a 192D bentley driving past a homeless person.



We're not (thankfully) in a socialist/communist society where anyone deemed to have wealth sees it redistributed.

Soarer

antiskeptic wrote: »

jars with a world where many live on a couple of $ a day.

As does posting on an internet forum!

Mickeroo

Oh jebus, sorry I replied now

krissovo

If it was 8 days earlier I would not have bought the I3 and picked that Model X in a flash. My brother lives in same village and knows the car, he thinks it was a uber car. Uber changed their exec cars policy recently in London so a lot of drivers bought the Model X thinking they would be an exec driver but to find they were on standard rates.

Hotblack Desiato

antiskeptic wrote: »

Anyone tell me why a steering wheel needs to be heated?

Serious answer to what now looks like a decidedly non-serious question -
allows you to drop the cabin heating down which saves battery.

BTW heated handgrips have been a thing on motorcycles for over 30 years now.

unkel

krissovo wrote: »

If it was 8 days earlier I would not have bought the I3 and picked that Model X in a flash.

And cancelled your Model 3 order?

Shefwedfan

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Serious answer to what now looks like a decidedly non-serious question -
allows you to drop the cabin heating down which saves battery.

BTW heated handgrips have been a thing on motorcycles for over 30 years now.

I think heated steeing wheel is a small bit of a waste of time


With preheat cabin and heated seats I think the steering wheel heated is just a bit of a fad to be honest.....

krissovo

unkel wrote: »

And cancelled your Model 3 order?

No way:eek:, replace the Leaf once the M3 lands which replaced our Volvo SUV.

krissovo

antiskeptic wrote: »

Anyone tell me why a steering wheel needs to be heated?

These were rife when I was growing up

antiskeptic

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Serious answer to what now looks like a decidedly non-serious question -
allows you to drop the cabin heating down which saves battery.

As a former motorcyclist who used heated grips I can tell you that hot hands don't quite compensate for a cold body

BTW heated handgrips have been a thing on motorcycles for over 30 years now.

If the heated steering wheel was intended for winter roof down driving then I could better see the point.

antiskeptic

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I think heated steeing wheel is a small bit of a waste of time


With preheat cabin and heated seats I think the steering wheel heated is just a bit of a fad to be honest.....

Something to generate 30 error codes when it goes wrong?

antiskeptic

ELM327 wrote: »

We're not (thankfully) in a socialist/communist society where anyone deemed to have wealth sees it redistributed.

Thankfully we're in a society where we can have heated steering wheels whilst others starve on a few dollars a day.

It seems to me that neither extreme is attractive.

unkel

krissovo wrote: »

These were rife when I was growing up

They were for grip, not for warmth. Remember we used to drive cars without power steering?

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

They were for grip, not for warmth. Remember we used to drive cars without power steering?

And manual chokes, carburettors, 3 speed + OD gearboxes, rust, cars held together with filler and hope, 6 kids across 3 back seats etc


:DThose were the days/


Also the day of this:

unkel

1972? I remember that up to not that long ago, maybe 15 years, there was no mandatory alcohol testing. A garda had to "form the opnion" that you were under the influence. Jurisprudence made this very tight, so you had to be really slurring your words talking to the Garda or driving erratically for the Garda to charge you with that. So for a big man who is a regular drinker, even the fifth pint would have been ok

slave1

2017 Ioniq SE, 15k miles on the clock, £20,795 asking


https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201907049706446?make=HYUNDAI&aggregatedTrim=Premium%20SE&sort=price-asc&model=IONIQ&radius=1500&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&advertising-location=at_cars&postcode=m52ty&fuel-type=Electric&fuel-type=Unlisted&page=1

ELM327

*Premium SE

Higher spec level, means it comes with cooled leather seats !

Petetheroadie

ELM327 wrote: »

*Premium SE

Higher spec level, means it comes with cooled leather seats !

Oh you've done it now!

unkel

And a few more goodies. Blind spot detection, rear cross traffic alert, front park distance control, electric front seats, heated rear seats, can't remember rest of list, or maybe that was it

Hotblack Desiato

antiskeptic wrote: »

As a former motorcyclist who used heated grips I can tell you that hot hands don't quite compensate for a cold body.

Then you should also know that fingers are the first thing to get cold.

Some people get cold hands easier than others, maybe they don't want to roast their passengers out of it?

This is a completely ridiculous gripe on your part.


BTW Unkel that "5th pint" picture is a spoof and reasonable grounds to bag you was any smell of alcohol - they stuck their nose in when you rolled down the window (and it probably was 'rolled'!)

antiskeptic

antiskeptic wrote: »

Something to generate 30 error codes when it goes wrong?

This is something that should concern car owners in the future, excessive complexity.

The EV's win out by having simple mechanics with few moving parts which will dramatically improve reliability (assuming the right quality parts are used). But on the other hand, manufacturers are stuffing in so much tech that the chances of a system failure increases dramatically the more systems you fit into a car.

What do you do with a 10 year old car when the touch screen fails, the replacement may be so expensive that you end up junking the car despite the fact that the other 100 systems in it are still working OK. You couls see cars that were fitted with cameras instead of door mirrors with after market mirrors stuck on them because the camera or screen had failed.

Plus many other possible failures that are too expensive to fix, and if car makers do the Apple trick of "signing" parts which means that even swapping out a part from a scrap vehicle will not work as they pair up the systems to prevent repairs at all.

I just hope that car makers will continue to make these vehicles serviceable by end users or mechanics rather than going down the planned obsolescence route and making them unserviceable after a specified time.