This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

drunkmonkey

Do you reckon that's why there not selling them, expensive warranty claims?

unkel

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Do you reckon that's why there not selling them, expensive warranty claims?

Nah. All the Model S ever sold in the UK are still under battery / drivetrain warranty. That's the expensive stuff

Changing an MCU costs Tesla feck all. And that's the only known big issue with these cars that fails outside of the normal warranty

drunkmonkey

Ah right so they have to warranty them anyway, may make a few bob off them. Maybe there waiting to see what happens Sterling before stocking up again.

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

Nah. All the Model S ever sold in the UK are still under battery / drivetrain warranty. That's the expensive stuff

Changing an MCU costs Tesla feck all. And that's the only known big issue with these cars that fails outside of the normal warranty

Hahaha, no, if only that were true!
The PTC heater has been troublesome recently, mostly X but some S.

The door handles fail on the S.
Charger failures are not uncommon.
FWD on the X

There are others that I'm forgetting, anything with Tesla is going to be expensive to fix. I found out the other day that 4 new tires are nearly 2k!!

drunkmonkey

Ah here what tyres are on it?, that seems nuts.

Just on this issues that green one we were on about, I doubt it was caused by the accident, but maybe...
'one morning got an error message "Steering Assist Reduced". Called Tesla but since I wasn`t the registered owner of the car, they could not help. So I applied for the V5C and registered with Tesla. I was pretty sure that is a software issue and believed that Tesla can reset and solve the problem. But no changes after the reset and they asked to bring it to service. Not that easy from Isle of Wight. So replaced the steering pump as was moisture and some corrosion in the 12v terminal ,which probably caused the pump to fail."

Not sure if that's something to look out for water getting in somewhere.

KCross

ELM327 wrote: »

I found out the other day that 4 new tires are nearly 2k!!

Ouch!

How much on a Model 3 I wonder?

Bob Flavin, whether you agree/like him or not, regularly says to check the price of the tyres on any car you are buying.... if you cant afford the tyres you cant afford the car... he's not far wrong with that bit of advice.

ELM327

KCross wrote: »

Ouch!

How much on a Model 3 I wonder?

Bob Flavin, whether you agree/like him or not, regularly says to check the price of the tyres on any car you are buying.... if you cant afford the tyres you cant afford the car... he's not far wrong with that bit of advice.

Yes it's great advice, and it's more a shock for someone like me who believes in spending as little as possible on tires than an affordability issue. It's a good point.


The problem is they are big tires and even on the 19s that my S is on apparently the size is odd and even not getting them from Tesla you won't see much change from 1200-1500 quid for 4. I shudder at the cost of replacing tyres from an X on 22s!


I imagine it would be similar on the 3, especially the M3P as that is delivered on 19' wheels, right?

(if I need to replace the tires I may sell some TSLA stock to get them for "free" (ie taking my profit)- although I was planning on using that towards my cybertruck!)

unkel

ELM327 wrote: »

The PTC heater has been troublesome recently, mostly X but some S.

The door handles fail on the S.
Charger failures are not uncommon.
FWD on the X

I don't know much about the Model X, but I believe it is far more trouble prone than Model S. My point was specifically made about Model S

And door handles are hardly a major cost event. Tesla Model S is entering a value range now where it is more prudent to have repairs done by an independent or even DIY. I've been saying this for some time. You can see plenty of indy specialists (some specialising in one particular common fault like MCU1) coming up in more mature Tesla markets like the Netherlands

unkel

ELM327 wrote: »

The problem is they are big tires and even on the 19s that my S is on apparently the size is odd and even not getting them from Tesla you won't see much change from 1200-1500 quid for 4.

Exactly what size are they?

If very expensive and not available for reasonable money from the likes of eyretyres, you could import part worn from a respectable source in Germany (or get the likes of Tyreland to source them for you), should cost no more than 25% of what they cost new if you arrange this yourself

When you own cars that were originally very expensive, you either need deep pockets and bend over for the main dealer every time something goes wrong, or you do it the alternative way. I've done the latter for many years with many cars (several of them were >100k new). I'm not that afraid to buy an out of warranty Tesla, but the lack of local indy places to fix it would be a bit of a turn off.

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

I don't know much about the Model X, but I believe it is far more trouble prone than Model S. My point was specifically made about Model S

And door handles are hardly a major cost event. Tesla Model S is entering a value range now where it is more prudent to have repairs done by an independent or even DIY. I've been saying this for some time. You can see plenty of indy specialists (some specialising in one particular common fault like MCU1) coming up in more mature Tesla markets like the Netherlands

500€ plus one hour Tesla Labor costs per handle
https://tesla-info.com/blog/tesla-model-s-door-handle-repair.html


I'd never bring my Tesla to anyone other than Tesla for repairs. Same as I wouldnt bring my iPhone anywhere other than Apple

Kilboor

ELM327 wrote: »

500€ plus one hour Tesla Labor costs per handle
https://tesla-info.com/blog/tesla-model-s-door-handle-repair.html


I'd never bring my Tesla to anyone other than Tesla for repairs. Same as I wouldnt bring my iPhone anywhere other than Apple

I have an iPhone 5c as a backup phone. Would you send this to Apple? I've repaired the screen myself on it and added a new battery for a total cost of 19 euro. Apple would charge 100 plus and my phone would be out of use.

Independent Tesla repairs are coming, especially as the number of low spec cheaper model Tesla model 3s are sold to people who probably couldn't afford major repair prices from the main dealers. I don't personally believe Tesla customer service will be able to scale to meet the demand for repairs in a few years.

unkel

ELM327 wrote: »

500€ plus one hour Tesla Labor costs per handle

So 500 part + 150 labour + VAT = €800? To fix one door handle? :eek:

There is not a chance I would go to Tesla for this, although I do realise sourcing parts yourself is tricky. I guess US dismantlers...

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

Exactly what size are they?

If very expensive and not available for reasonable money from the likes of eyretyres, you could import part worn from a respectable source in Germany (or get the likes of Tyreland to source them for you), should cost no more than 25% of what they cost new if you arrange this yourself

When you own cars that were originally very expensive, you either need deep pockets and bend over for the main dealer every time something goes wrong, or you do it the alternative way. I've done the latter for many years with many cars (several of them were >100k new). I'm not that afraid to buy an out of warranty Tesla, but the lack of local indy places to fix it would be a bit of a turn off.

from memory I think they were 245/45/19 on my car.
As you will have seen from my posts in the motors forum and elsewhere I'm sure, I also enjoy various luxobarges in my time and had the same approach as you. I did most of the work myself (even on a RR) but I think this is different.

Kilboor wrote: »

I have an iPhone 5c as a backup phone. Would you send this to Apple? I've repaired the screen myself on it and added a new battery for a total cost of 19 euro. Apple would charge 100 plus and my phone would be out of use.

Independent Tesla repairs are coming, especially as the number of low spec cheaper model Tesla model 3s are sold to people who probably couldn't afford major repair prices from the main dealers. I don't personally believe Tesla customer service will be able to scale to meet the demand for repairs in a few years.

I wouldn't have such an outdated phone, generally I buy the newest iPhone every 2-3 years max (currently on an XR but as the battery is just dropped to 98% I reckon a change is due). I certainly wouldnt be repairing it myself if I did though.

unkel wrote: »

So 500 part + 150 labour + VAT = €800? To fix one door handle? :eek:

There is not a chance I would go to Tesla for this, although I do realise sourcing parts yourself is tricky. I guess US dismantlers...

Yes the costs are mad. They wanted 150 quid to replace a USB port!

unkel

ELM327 wrote: »

I also enjoy various luxobarges in my time and had the same approach as you. I did most of the work myself (even on a RR) but I think this is different.

It's different, but I think really only because Teslas are relatively new, so there aren't indies around (in this country) that have experience with these cars and of course parts are an issue

Or do you mean different on another level? Of course modern electronics make things different and it's no longer just fairly simple mechanics like working on a 70s US barge or a RR. But that has been the case for a long time. My BMW 7-series, now nearly 25 years old, was full of electronics and needed to be read out with diagnostics software to get an idea of what was wrong

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

It's different, but I think really only because Teslas are relatively new, so there aren't indies around (in this country) that have experience with these cars and of course parts are an issue

Or do you mean different on another level? Of course modern electronics make things different and it's no longer just fairly simple mechanics like working on a 70s US barge or a RR. But that has been the case for a long time. My BMW 7-series, now nearly 25 years old, was full of electronics and needed to be read out with diagnostics software to get an idea of what was wrong

It's different for both of the above really.
I was pretty happy to go diagnosing and changing stuff (and even reading obd codes and changing stuff) on older cars, including my rolls or my 98 GMC pickup, but this is more like repairing a phone or laptop than a car!


I agree in time there will be indies, especially with the volumes of model 3 being sold, but as of right now, even getting a puncture repaired at a tire place, the mechanics look at you as if you have three heads bringing a Tesla in!

unkel

ELM327 wrote: »

It's different for both of the above really.
I was pretty happy to go diagnosing and changing stuff (and even reading obd codes and changing stuff) on older cars, including my rolls or my 98 GMC pickup, but this is more like repairing a phone or laptop than a car!

I'm the other way around myself. I'd much prefer to repair a laptop. I can fix pretty much anything on a laptop and even then I prefer to fix software over hardware issues. I'm not much good fixing anything mechanical on a car

ELM327

Was this the one from Merlins?

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/bmw-i3-ev-vehicle/23951269?campaign=3

tedpan

ELM327 wrote:

Was this the one from Merlins?

Think so, plus it's an Irish car and they're now quoting miles!

ELM327

tedpan wrote: »

Think so, plus it's an Irish car and they're now quoting miles!

Probably because 100k (in miles) sounds better than 160k (in km) :p:D:D
Some markup too! >4k?

unkel

EUR 4,000 markup for a quick wash and slapping a 3 months warranty on, not bad if they can get close to it

According to the NCT site, it's valid until March 2020, not 2022 as the ad claims. Unless of course the second hand car dealer has put it through early in the last day or so and it hasn't updated the NCT system yet (possible, but very unlikely )

slave1

Dealer is a loose term, there'd be fek all difference between buying from that dealer than a private sale, no way would I pay any premium over a private sale for that dealer, a lock up where he keeps the cars could be the height of it

unkel

Big difference between buying from a dealer or privately. Dealer implies it comes with a warranty. Now if this will be enforceable in practice (with you ever seeing your money back) is another matter of course.

McGiver

ELM327 wrote:

Was this the one from Merlins?

First gen/batch 60Ah BEV. The first ones Rex had a few issues. Not sure if BEVs had.
Also may not have DC charging. It was an extra AFAIK?

McGiver

unkel wrote:

EUR 4,000 markup for a quick wash and slapping a 3 months warranty on, not bad if they can get close to it

As in it would go 10k private? That's not the case even in the UK... Or?

unkel

McGiver wrote: »

As in it would go 10k private? That's not the case even in the UK... Or?

No, as in they paid €9k for it at auction, plus fees. Total under €10k

At that price the i3 is starting to become attractive to me. But I would have to put my Porsche into storage!

Black_Knight

unkel wrote: »

No, as in they paid €9k for it at auction, plus fees. Total under €10k

At that price the i3 is starting to become attractive to me. But I would have to put my Porsche into storage!

Would the i3 replace your Boxster because of its fit and finish, along with some electric zoomies? As opposed to the Ioniq which is a little bit less refined inside than the i3.

I ask because I wouldn't expect an i3 to be a replacement option for a Boxster.

McGiver

unkel wrote:

No, as in they paid €9k for it at auction, plus fees. Total under €10k

Wow 9k at an auction, where? These are pitching much more in the UK (BCA)

unkel

Black_Knight wrote: »

Would the i3 replace your Boxster because of its fit and finish, along with some electric zoomies? As opposed to the Ioniq which is a little bit less refined inside than the i3.

Ioniq is the family car. I sometimes need a second car, like today, where I used my classic Mercedes. Which is up for sale. Before I bought the Mercedes, I used my Porsche as the second car. But it makes very little sense to use it less than once a month when you're paying over a grand in motor tax on it. Thinking of putting it in storage for a few years.

McGiver wrote: »

Wow 9k at an auction, where? These are pitching much more in the UK (BCA)

I think it was Merlin. Browse back a few pages in this thread and you'll find it.

ELM327

McGiver wrote: »

Wow 9k at an auction, where? These are pitching much more in the UK (BCA)

Merlins


Every now and again an EV goes through. Depending on the audience it can be very cheap.

BigAl81

Not sure if bargain is the word here, but 2016 Model S 70D for €39,999 with a 6 month warranty from the local dealer....

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2016-tesla-model-s-70-400-bhp-electric-autopil/23430369

As AutoPiliot too.

(Maybe we need a second hand Tesla "bargain" thread?).