This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

drunkmonkey

Did you see the Irish one, a high miler as well for 35k https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2015-152-tesla-model-s-e85-5dr-auto/24813706

unkel

The Irish car is cheap from a dealer, if it indeed has AP1 as advertised. Anyone in here go see that, will they share the VIN?

Model S takes the miles well, I wouldn't worry it has almost 200k km on it.

unkel

Black_Knight wrote: »

Pound doesn't help at the moment though.

Pound is the lowest in about 7-8 months apart from that wee dip around the 20th of March

jhegarty

They both look in good condition for the high millage.

The UK one is high spec with the MCU done. Give the close prices I think it's the better bargain.

unkel

jhegarty wrote: »

The UK one is high spec with the MCU done.

I'm suspicious of the "MCU just upgraded". Need to find out what they mean there. Aftermarket job by an indy who indeed replaced the memory chip with a higher quality one? Or just an MCU replacement (not upgrade) by Tesla? Or even a real upgrade by Tesla from MCU1 to MCU2? (unlikely)

I disagree with you about the better value car. The UK car effectively has no warranty (unless you bring the car back over to the UK when it needs to be fixed), but the Irish one does. Presuming you get a decent, say 1 year, warranty with it. That's worth a few grand in my book. On top the UK car is a couple of grand more expensive, because of transport costs and VRT (unless of course you end up with a full refund)

jhegarty

unkel wrote: »

I'm suspicious of the "MCU just upgraded". Need to find out what they mean there. Aftermarket job by an indy who indeed replaced the memory chip with a higher quality one? Or just an MCU replacement (not upgrade) by Tesla? Or even a real upgrade by Tesla from MCU1 to MCU2? (unlikely)

I disagree with you about the better value car. The UK car effectively has no warranty (unless you bring the car back over to the UK when it needs to be fixed), but the Irish one does. Presuming you get a decent, say 1 year, warranty with it. That's worth a few grand in my book. On top the UK car is a couple of grand more expensive, because of transport costs and VRT (unless of course you end up with a full refund)

Good point on the MCU. It looks like it's still on MCU1 from the screenshots.


I am however also suspicious about what "VARIOUS WARRANTY OPTIONS" means on the Irish one.

unkel

jhegarty wrote: »

I am however also suspicious about what "VARIOUS WARRANTY OPTIONS" means on the Irish one.

I guess it is open for negotiation as part of doing the deal. But there must be at least some warranty as it is a dealer selling. If it was me buying, I would fight harder over the warranty than over the price. I'd try go get a 2 year warranty out of them, arguing that is the minimum warranty Tesla give on second hand cars (not quite true, but they probably don't know that). And hope to feck the garage stays in business that long :pac:

And having said that, it makes me appreciate my Tesla warranty more. A lot of peace of mind for a 5-6 year old car that has various known (and very expensive) issues.

slave1

Tesla are not doing MCU1 to MCU2 replacements AFAIK, in the States they’ve started doing it but it’s a very expensive paid upgrade

unkel

Indeed. Around the USD3k mark I think I saw. Crazy money, but you do get a more responsive system with far better internet (4G). Your car get a software update yet, slave1?

Mine got 2020.16.2.1 while I was waiting for my takeaway this evening

copeyhagen

id be more worried about the air suspension on a 2015 with that mileage and no warranty.

slave1

unkel wrote: »

Indeed. Around the USD3k mark I think I saw. Crazy money, but you do get a more responsive system with far better internet (4G). Your car get a software update yet, slave1?

Mine got 2020.16.2.1 while I was waiting for my takeaway this evening

Haven’t signed up to early release, notes on release no real impact on me...

1、Redesign the UI of Tesla toy-box;
2、Filter the charging station by Power;
3、Small improvement of map ；
4、You can Format the TeslaCam usb on the car , and it will create the TeslaCam folder；
5、Improve the BackgammonBlitz Game, The hardest mode is trained by Tesla AI 20 million times.

Gumbo

Had both of those cars saved this week.
Just couldn’t bite the bullet for a non P or D or + model. I think to keep me happy I’d need at least one of those symbols
I went to view the red P90D in Yomac. Deposit taken on Thursday and collection on Tuesday so they are selling through dealer networks.

The silver P85+ in Kerry looks well and he had it UK for €41k on the first day of the ad but then removed the price for some reason.

eamondunphy

unkel wrote: »

I'm suspicious of the "MCU just upgraded". Need to find out what they mean there. Aftermarket job by an indy who indeed replaced the memory chip with a higher quality one? Or just an MCU replacement (not upgrade) by Tesla? Or even a real upgrade by Tesla from MCU1 to MCU2? (unlikely)

I disagree with you about the better value car. The UK car effectively has no warranty (unless you bring the car back over to the UK when it needs to be fixed), but the Irish one does. Presuming you get a decent, say 1 year, warranty with it. That's worth a few grand in my book. On top the UK car is a couple of grand more expensive, because of transport costs and VRT (unless of course you end up with a full refund)

i emailed through auto trader out of curiousity and they said "it was upgraded via an independent specialist for £500+ VAT"

unkel

That's the best answer really. It means it will have got a much better grade memory chip. And with Tesla no longer logging anywhere near as much data, that new chip should now last the lifetime of the car

Kramer

Are non Teslas allowed?



I think my metallic black 191 Ioniq at just €23k is a bargain - going in a few days unless anyone here wants it.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113539307&postcount=714

Grab a bargain .

SteelyDanJalapeno

Is this a cheap leaf?
What would the range be on this? Less than 100k?

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2012-nissan-leaf-ev-fully-electric-vehicle/24722395

Zenith74

SteelyDanJalapeno wrote: »

Is this a cheap leaf?
What would the range be on this? Less than 100k?

With 7 bars left I'd imagine it might do 50km in summer on local roads, 30-40km in winter. Considering a few thousand more might get you a 2014 with a lot less mileage, higher spec and over double the range I'd say that price may not be great value. At the same time if that's all the money you had, you really wanted an EV and you only needed to do short journies, then it might work out...

SteelyDanJalapeno

Zenith74 wrote: »

With 7 bars left I'd imagine it might do 50km in summer on local roads, 30-40km in winter. Considering a few thousand more might get you a 2014 with a lot less mileage, higher spec and over double the range I'd say that price may not be great value. At the same time if that's all the money you had, you really wanted an EV and you only needed to do short journies, then it might work out...

Oh thanks, I didn't realize range would be that low.
Looking for 100km if possible, budget not really an issue, but would obviously like to get good value. I'll keep looking!

Edit, the range says 88km on the display, presume that's incorrect?
How many bars would it have usually 10?
Does losing 1 bar mean you lose 10? Range?

unkel

Do you need to have 100km range every day? If so, in winter you would be short in a Leaf with the 24kWh battery and you would have to go for a 30kWh Leaf, which started in late 2015 and would set you back about 12k for an early one. If budget allows you could go a step up again and get an Ioniq, but that would be several thousand more again.

slave1

SteelyDanJalapeno wrote: »

Oh thanks, I didn't realize range would be that low.
Looking for 100km if possible, budget not really an issue, but would obviously like to get good value. I'll keep looking!

Edit, the range says 88km on the display, presume that's incorrect?
How many bars would it have usually 10?
Does losing 1 bar mean you lose 10? Range?

First bar is 15% battery loss, thereafter each bar is 7.7% loss, that car you posted earlier has lost at least 46% of its battery which is significant, I would not touch with a barge pole unless you are on an island off the coast or a second can for very short tips around the town.
88kms range is meaningless, that car can have it's range reset at very little expense and/or manipulated so ignore completely.

If looking at a Leaf the Leaf30 has a super robust reputation in terms of battery life so that's where I'd be looking, UK import too as no VRT payable and Sterling okay at the minute...

Gumbo

SteelyDanJalapeno wrote: »

Is this a cheap leaf?
What would the range be on this? Less than 100k?

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2012-nissan-leaf-ev-fully-electric-vehicle/24722395

Realistically that’s a 60-70km car.

Gumbo

SteelyDanJalapeno wrote: »

Oh thanks, I didn't realize range would be that low.
Looking for 100km if possible, budget not really an issue, but would obviously like to get good value. I'll keep looking!

Edit, the range says 88km on the display, presume that's incorrect?
How many bars would it have usually 10?
Does losing 1 bar mean you lose 10? Range?

The 88km range display is because it’s in eco mode with all heaters etc off.
It’s also based on a best case scenario from the previous driving session.

It’s also called a GOM (Guessometer) so never correct.

My 24 kWh 141, which had the better batter would do 100km at 100kmph in winter. That had 11 bars.

SteelyDanJalapeno

unkel wrote: »

Do you need to have 100km range every day? If so, in winter you would be short in a Leaf with the 24kWh battery and you would have to go for a 30kWh Leaf, which started in late 2015 and would set you back about 12k for an early one. If budget allows you could go a step up again and get an Ioniq, but that would be several thousand more again.

I don't, in reality I need about 50k max daily but I would like plenty of room overshooting that the odd day I might need to drive elsewhere for work. We would have a second car for longer personal journeys then with the missus, I just want to retire my van as it's on its last legs

SteelyDanJalapeno

Gumbo wrote: »

The 88km range display is because it’s in eco mode with all heaters etc off.
It’s also based on a best case scenario from the previous driving session.

It’s also called a GOM (Guessometer) so never correct.

My 24 kWh 141, which had the better batter would do 100km at 100kmph in winter. That had 11 bars.

Got it, why would that have lost so many bars? Would driving style affect it? Taking on board a previous posters comments that the next gen leaf battery is more reliable

slave1

First gen car, subsequent L24's had way better battery chem, that gen suffered (but don't worry, all sorted out by the time the L30 hit the road), also age as it's 8 years old and then less so it's mileage, it could also have been rapid charged to death?

Black_Knight

slave1 wrote: »

First bar is 15% battery loss, thereafter each bar is 7.7% loss, that car you posted earlier has lost at least 46% of its battery which is significant, I would not touch with a barge pole unless you are on an island off the coast or a second can for very short tips around the town.
88kms range is meaningless, that car can have it's range reset at very little expense and/or manipulated so ignore completely.

If looking at a Leaf the Leaf30 has a super robust reputation in terms of battery life so that's where I'd be looking, UK import too as no VRT payable and Sterling okay at the minute...

Does that mean only it only charges 56% of the battery? Ie. About 13kWh?

Could be a nice cheap commuter car, and even moreso if you had plans for a big power wall when it's past its use (not long left really)

Gumbo

SteelyDanJalapeno wrote: »

Got it, why would that have lost so many bars? Would driving style affect it? Taking on board a previous posters comments that the next gen leaf battery is more reliable

First Gen Leaf just had bad battery chemistry.
Second gen much better.

NIMAN

Advert now gone, so looks to be sold.

Can anyone tell me what year it was and what price?

SteelyDanJalapeno

NIMAN wrote: »

Advert now gone, so looks to be sold.

Can anyone tell me what year it was and what price?

I think it was 2014, 4.5k

Laviski

SteelyDanJalapeno wrote: »

I think it was 2014, 4.5k

2012 i think it was...