UFC 207: Nunes vs Rousey (Women's Bantamweight Title)

Gamebred

Cody looks like he makes weight easy hes not big so not sure why people were worried about his cardio going into the fight, his wrestling in the bits we seen looks high level the switch he hit and even the takedown he got was awesome.

mdwexford

This thing that Ronda only beat cans is silly.

She has starched the women that are still currently numbers 6, 7, 8 and 9 in the rankings. Not to mention beating Meisha twice.

Nunes has lost to Alexis Davis and Cat Zingano.
Ronda beat both of them in 30 seconds combined.

Even poor old Bethe has a 4-2 record in the UFC so she's no joke either.


She let the game pass her by, by becoming too reliant on her submissions and eventually thinking she can trade with world class strikers. If she had been constantly working on her striking she could be a hell of a challenge for anyone by now. After the Holm fight she shouldn't have been so stubborn/loyal and ditched Edmond and went to a top class gym if she genuinely wanted to continue as a fighter.

Subcomandante Marcos

Gamebred wrote: »

Cody looks like he makes weight easy hes not big so not sure why people were worried about his cardio going into the fight, his wrestling in the bits we seen looks high level the switch he hit and even the takedown he got was awesome.

He won the state HS championship as a junior and was so dominent that despite not wrestling for his final two years a few divison 1 schools still offered him a full scholarship to wrestle for them. That's unheard of, so he must have been unreal back in the day and training with the likes of Faber, Chad and other high level college wrestlers for the last few years wouldn't have hurt either.

Gamebred

mdwexford wrote: »

This thing that Ronda only beat cans is silly.

She has starched the women that are still currently numbers 6, 7, 8 and 9 in the rankings. Not to mention beating Meisha twice.

Nunes has lost to Alexis Davis and Cat Zingano.
Ronda beat both of them in 30 seconds combined.

Even poor old Bethe has a 4-2 record in the UFC so she's no joke either.


She let the game pass her by, by becoming too reliant on her submissions and eventually thinking she can trade with world class strikers. If she had been constantly working on her striking she could be a hell of a challenge for anyone by now. After the Holm fight she shouldn't have been so stubborn/loyal and ditched Edmond and went to a top class gym if she genuinely wanted to continue as a fighter.

Its not easy to just leave the gym because of one loss, Imagine Conor left SBG just because his run came to an end he'd be slaughtered,


She's damaged goods right now and will never be a top striker but there is coaches who could make her much better so he striking could get her into range to grapple, her last win was the worst thing that ever happened her inflated her massive ego even further,

Problem is a coach wont put up with her demands dont think she has it in her to go train in a setting like Jacksons (just an example).

Saipanne

mdwexford wrote: »

This thing that Ronda only beat cans is silly.

She has starched the women that are still currently numbers 6, 7, 8 and 9 in the rankings. Not to mention beating Meisha twice.

Nunes has lost to Alexis Davis and Cat Zingano.
Ronda beat both of them in 30 seconds combined.

Even poor old Bethe has a 4-2 record in the UFC so she's no joke either.


She let the game pass her by, by becoming too reliant on her submissions and eventually thinking she can trade with world class strikers. If she had been constantly working on her striking she could be a hell of a challenge for anyone by now. After the Holm fight she shouldn't have been so stubborn/loyal and ditched Edmond and went to a top class gym if she genuinely wanted to continue as a fighter.

Let's look at the Scottish football league.

6. Ross County
7. Patrick Thistle
8. Dundee
9. Motherwell

Look at the rankings, they're great teams, right? All divisions are equal, right?

John_D80

Saipanne wrote: »

Let's look at the Scottish football league.

6. Ross County
7. Patrick Thistle
8. Dundee
9. Motherwell

Look at the rankings, they're great teams, right? All divisions are equal, right?

So you are comparing, what is generally acknowledged to be the be the best MMA promotion in the world with one of the worst domestic soccer leagues in Europe?

Saipanne

John_D80 wrote: »

So you are comparing, what is generally acknowledged to be the be the best MMA promotion in the world with one of the worst domestic soccer leagues in Europe?

You completely missed the point. An open goal.

I thought referencing the word "division" would have been enough.

Division. Are all divisions equal?

Wrongway1985

Saipanne wrote: »

Let's look at the Scottish football league.

6. Ross County
7. Patrick Thistle
8. Dundee
9. Motherwell

Look at the rankings, they're great teams, right? All divisions are equal, right?

It's for the most part cringe when the football analogy comes out, this could potentially be the most pathetic one I've seen.

qwabercd

Saipanne wrote: »

Let's look at the Scottish football league.

6. Ross County
7. Patrick Thistle
8. Dundee
9. Motherwell

Look at the rankings, they're great teams, right? All divisions are equal, right?

Very strange comparison.

EagererBeaver

You're both spectacularly missing the (valid) point.

mdwexford

Gamebred wrote: »

Its not easy to just leave the gym because of one loss, Imagine Conor left SBG just because his run came to an end he'd be slaughtered,


She's damaged goods right now and will never be a top striker but there is coaches who could make her much better so he striking could get her into range to grapple, her last win was the worst thing that ever happened her inflated her massive ego even further,

Problem is a coach wont put up with her demands dont think she has it in her to go train in a setting like Jacksons (just an example).

Certainly wouldn't have been easy but if she was honest with herself and the people around her weren't telling her what she wanted to hear, she would know Edmond is not capable of improving her game to the levels it needs to be at.

Agree with the rest of your post.

Saipanne wrote: »

Let's look at the Scottish football league.

6. Ross County
7. Patrick Thistle
8. Dundee
9. Motherwell

Look at the rankings, they're great teams, right? All divisions are equal, right?

Yeah because the top ten fighters in the whole world at their weight class is comparable to a way below average domestic football league, right?

Ronda lost to two very good fighters, she has cleaned out everyone else. Apart from maybe Shevchenko I think she would still beat the rest.

Wrongway1985

EagererBeaver wrote: »

You're both spectacularly missing the (valid) point.

Which point? the one where a combined losses of teams listed is 37 and the combined losses of those fighters 2016 is 3 is a comparison?, can't believe I'm getting sucked into saying this but here goes...I'd rate Bethe Correia better than bleedin' Motherwell :D:D

76544567

slavetothegrind wrote: »

they should take half of rouseys money and give it to garbrant.

She was pathetic. Did not want to be there, it was an earner and nothing more.

No effort at all from her.

After Holm she really goes in there and stands up?????

Disgraceful performance.

Maybe i was spoiled by all the heart i had seen from earlier bouts..........

When you get hit like that all of your effort goes into standing up. And you are then on a hiding to nothing. I know only too well from experience.
Amazing how your priorities change during a fight.

76544567

Rainman16 wrote: »

On the Rousey vs Tate subject. I just think Ronda is just done. She was done after the Holm fight. She did get back into an octagon with Nunes but I firmly believe she had already 'mentally' lost that fight, before ever setting foot in the arena.

Tate is not crazy about fighting again, I'm sure she'd consider 1 more fight for the money, and I believe she'd beat Ronda, But I doubt Ronda will want to fight again, and she probably shouldn't.

On the Rousey/Nunes money split.
Ronda got a garunteed $3m, Amanda got $100k and another $100k win bonus. Which seems ridiculous but unfortunately that's the way the business works. Hopefully Amanda gets a nice chunk of PPV money

I know the numbers wont be in for a while but sometimes they give a rough estimate of what each fighter gets.
Anyone know what they are both getting from the PPV numbers yet?

Saipanne

Ok... What I'm saying is that some divisions are better than others. The men's lightweight division is arguably the strongest in the UFC, so that's the Spanish League. The women's bantamweight could be one of the weaker ones, so that's the Scottish league.

So Rousey beating 6,7,8,9 ranked fighters may not be as amazing as you claim.

Is that clearer?

ardinn

This is better than "you laugh you lose" at the moment!!!

mdwexford

Saipanne wrote: »

Ok... What I'm saying is that some divisions are better than others. The men's lightweight division is arguably the strongest in the UFC, so that's the Spanish League. The women's bantamweight could be one of the weaker ones, so that's the Scottish league.

So Rousey beating 6,7,8,9 ranked fighters may not be as amazing as you claim.

Is that clearer?

Ronda was still beating the best fighters in the world though, you can only beat what's put in front of you. Same as Mighty Mouse.

We aren't comparing divisions here, we are saying that Ronda was fighting the best females in the world and crushing them.

John_D80

Saipanne wrote: »

Ok... What I'm saying is that some divisions are better than others. The men's lightweight division is arguably the strongest in the UFC, so that's the Spanish League. The women's bantamweight could be one of the weaker ones, so that's the Scottish league.

So Rousey beating 6,7,8,9 ranked fighters may not be as amazing as you claim.

Is that clearer?

Stop. Seriously just stop.

Saipanne

John_D80 wrote: »

Stop. Seriously just stop.

Ok, all divisions contain equal talent then? Because that's what you're saying.

ardinn

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Saipanne

mdwexford wrote: »

Ronda was still beating the best fighters in the world though, you can only beat what's put in front of you. Same as Mighty Mouse.

We aren't comparing divisions here, we are saying that Ronda was fighting the best females in the world and crushing them.

Yeah, but that's as impressive as Celtic crushing Motherwell, to me.

mdwexford

Saipanne wrote: »

Yeah, but that's as impressive as Celtic crushing Motherwell, to me.

Well, that is ridiculous in my opinion.

John_D80

Saipanne wrote: »

Ok, all divisions contain equal talent then? Because that's what you're saying.

Nope, what I'm saying is that I think your Scottish soccer analogy is beyond ridiculous.

Saipanne

mdwexford wrote: »

Well, that is ridiculous in my opinion.

Why? The moment she ran into world class opposition she was completely destroyed. Twice. It makes me question the quality of at least some of her opponents and the division.

Saipanne

John_D80 wrote: »

Nope, what I'm saying is that I think your Scottish soccer analogy is beyond ridiculous.

Ok, so you agree that divisions have unequal levels of talent?

John_D80

Saipanne wrote: »

Ok, so you agree that divisions have unequal levels of talent?

Do you agree that this egg is better than this egg shaped rock??

mdwexford

Saipanne wrote: »

Why? The moment she ran into world class opposition she was completely destroyed. Twice. It makes me question the quality of at least some of her opponents and the division.

Meisha Tate wasn't world class opposition?

The same Meisha Tate who beat Holly Holm for the title.

Alexis Davis and Cat Zingano are rubbish yet they both beat the world class Amanda Nunes?

Wrongway1985

Saipanne wrote: »

Ok... What I'm saying is that some divisions are better than others. The men's lightweight division is arguably the strongest in the UFC, so that's the Spanish League. The women's bantamweight could be one of the weaker ones, so that's the Scottish league.

So Rousey beating 6,7,8,9 ranked fighters may not be as amazing as you claim.

Is that clearer?

I struggle to imagine being psyched for the likes of Leganes and Eibar myself.

rob316

Saipanne wrote: »

Ok... What I'm saying is that some divisions are better than others. The men's lightweight division is arguably the strongest in the UFC, so that's the Spanish League. The women's bantamweight could be one of the weaker ones, so that's the Scottish league.

So Rousey beating 6,7,8,9 ranked fighters may not be as amazing as you claim.

Is that clearer?

UFC is the top promotion in the world, if you have cleared house in your division there is nothing more you can do, you are the best. If someone else comes along and does the same and beats you they are the best.

Could'nt you say the same about any division champion? Like maybe Mcgregor isn't that good and the FW division is just bad.

I think what it would be fair to say is her fights before Holmes were all good style matches for her. She was always an appalling bad striker so it was only a matter of time before that part of her game got exposed.
I don't know was it arrogance, **** coaching or both that she thought she could stand up in their again.

She is done anyway IMO doesn't have the heart or humility to learn from her mistakes which is stark contrast to someone like Mcgregor who brought on his take down defence leaps and bounds after the Diaz defeat.

Saipanne

John_D80 wrote: »

Do you agree that this egg is better than this egg shaped rock??

Ah, the MMA forum...

Saipanne

mdwexford wrote: »

Meisha Tate wasn't world class opposition?

The same Meisha Tate who beat Holly Holm for the title.

Alexis Davis and Cat Zingano are rubbish yet they both beat the world class Amanda Nunes?

Yeah, fair enough. Maybe those styles of fighters suited her perfectly then.

Wrongway1985

Saipanne wrote: »

Ah, the MMA forum...

Says the man who brought up the Scottish football drivel

John_D80

Saipanne wrote: »

Ah, the MMA forum...

Yup, where guys try to compare the elite women's 135 lb division in the world with Scottish soccerball. Crazy innit.

Saipanne

Wrongway1985 wrote: »

Says the man who brought up the Scottish football drivel

I rest my case.

Saipanne

John_D80 wrote: »

Yup, where guys try to compare the elite women's 135 lb division in the world with Scottish soccerball. Crazy innit.

I shouldn't have tried confusing concepts such as metaphors.

I'll stick to using intellectual terms like "merked" and "starched" in future.

Lesson learned.

finglashoop

Whether the talent pool in the division is deep. She cleared out everyone like most do until someone comes along and beats them. Rousey done it cruz done it. Dj is still doing it. Styles match ups favoured her strengths up to the last two where she was out struck and her weakness was exposed

mdwexford

Saipanne wrote: »

Yeah, fair enough. Maybe those styles of fighters suited her perfectly then.

Don't get me wrong Ronda was and is a one dimensional fighter. But I think it's unfair to say she beat nobodies. She beat the top women around at that time.

She's still a top 3-4 fighter in the division and wouldn't be a big underdog betting wise vs anyone.

John_D80

Saipanne wrote: »

I shouldn't have tried confusing concepts such as metaphors.

I'll stick to using intellectual terms like "merked" and "starched" in future.

Lesson learned.

You're Scottish football thing was more of an analogy really. You're the one that's confused actually if you think that was a metaphor.

mdwexford

Saipanne wrote: »

I shouldn't have tried confusing concepts such as metaphors.

I'll stick to using intellectual terms like "merked" and "starched" in future.

Lesson learned.

John_D80 wrote: »

You're Scottish football thing was more of an analogy really. You're the one that's confused actually if you think that was a metaphor.

Oh the irony. :pac:

Saipanne

John_D80 wrote: »

You're Scottish football thing was more of an analogy really. You're the one that's confused actually if you think that was a metaphor.

It was a metaphor. The word has two uses. Jesus, you have Google at your disposal.

Thanks for the laugh though!

Saipanne

mdwexford wrote: »

Oh the irony. :pac:

There's no excuse for not using Google. Look it up.

John_D80

Saipanne wrote: »

It was a metaphor. The word has two uses. Jesus, you have Google at your disposal.

Thanks for the laugh though!

Two quite different things. Don't need to use google to know the difference mate.

mdwexford

Saipanne wrote: »

There's no excuse for not using Google. Look it up.

What you used was an analogy, not a metaphor.

John_D80

mdwexford wrote: »

What you used was an analogy, not a metaphor.

If he keeps up the metaphor/analogy argument it will be embarrassing as hell for him!

Saipanne, for a bonus point can you pick out the metaphor in the sentence above??

Gamebred

Anyways lads back on topic,


Rondas UFC career her 6 fights before the Holm loss she fought 6 people who had no back round in striking, Holly we all know as a multiple time world champion boxer and Nunes had been doing Karate and started boxing aged 16 I dont think any of the girls she beat were doing anything like it from a young age, hindsight is a wonderful thing we all expected her Judo to beat boxing but its clear as day now it doesnt, in the right frame of mind she'd still beat them 6 girls she beat before Holly.

Saipanne

John_D80 wrote: »

If he keeps up the metaphor/analogy argument it will be embarrassing as hell for him!

Saipanne, for a bonus point can you pick out the metaphor in the sentence above??

Ok, that made me giggle.

wotzgoingon

Did Ronda not do any interview after she lost. I'm trying to find one on youtube but cannot find one, I did find a fake interview where they had a actor as her and they were ripping the **** out of her.

Bad form that she refuses to do a interview. Even McGreger done one after he lost.

Gamebred

wotzgoingon wrote: »

Did Ronda not do any interview after she lost. I'm trying to find one on youtube but cannot find one, I did find a fake interview where they had a actor as her and they were ripping the **** out of her.

Bad form that she refuses to do a interview. Even McGreger done one after he lost.

There is no losing interviews if you're tko'd anymore.

johnpatrick81

There's no doubting that the last 2 losses blow a huge hole in Ronda's fighting ability legacy. But there's also no doubting her dominance before then. It's clear as day though the strength in depth simply wasn't there. 2 more wins and I'd say Nunes has the better cv

Rainman16

tinpib wrote: »

I think/hope Amanda will go on to be a star and make a lot of money. Some people here say she isn't box office but I think she can be.

People want to see opponents getting knocked de fudge out, it draws in casual viewers. That's twice in a row now that Amanda has swarmed her opponent and given them a good beating.

If UFC get behind her and promote her as some type of women's knock out machine/Mike Tyson and as the woman that [maybe] retired Ronda the casual viewer will buy PPVs.

Also she can do interviews in English which helps her, although it will be tough to have a great way with words.

She is a contrast to Katie Taylor. I saw Katie Taylor's last fight, a dour enough points victory. Sponsors/casual viewers aren't going to tuning in for that type of performance despite Sky Sports/PPV doing their usual hype.

I don't know how the American public will respond to Amanda as the new face of Womens MMA. The pessimist in me thinks they will not embrace her in anywhere near the same way. Maybe for many reasons, Her nationality, her appearance, her accent and sadly even her sexual orientation.

Amanda deserves her respect. She's the Champion, destroyed the two biggest names in woman MMA in her last two fights. She is a seriously impressive fighter, I hope people support her

As for Taylor, womans boxing is a long way behind MMA, I think Taylor will be successful, a world champion in the ring, But she doesn't really have a the personalty so really self promote like say a Rousey or McGregor.