New model Land Rover Discovery

Oafley Jones

carsfan2 wrote: »

80 grand for 180 bhp?!

Not that many used it. But no high/low range gearbox either as standard. It looks like rotten value compared to the outgoing machine. I've absolutely no interest in changing the 4 for one.

playbus

goochy wrote: »

no , no. no- its no where near as good looking as previous models . looks like sport model.
where is the commercial models ? assume they are to follow ?

how much is road tax on passenger models ?

Road tax is €570 for the 2.0 litre models and €750 for the 3.0 litre - and still €333 for the 2.0 litre 2 seat N1 Commercials (prices elsewhere in this thread - further down!).

A considerable difference from the Discovery 4, and the fuel economy is up to 50mpg on the TD4/SD4 2.0 litre models....

playbus

NEW DISCOVERY 5 N1 2 SEAT COMMERCIAL - REPUBLIC OF IRELAND - INCLUSIVE OF VAT @23%
2.0 TD4 S €53,000
2.0 TD4 SE €59,131
2.0 TD4 HSE €65,584
2.0 TD4 HSE LUX €73,632

2.0 SD4 S €57,835
2.0 SD4 SE €63,962
2.0 SD4 HSE €72,403
2.0 SD4 HSE LUX €80,433


2 - Zone - Automatic Climate Control € 98
20" 10 Split-Spoke 'Style 1011' € 2,212
20" 10 Split-Spoke 'Style 1011' € 737
20" 5 Split-Spoke 'Style 5011' € 2,212
20" 5 Split-Spoke 'Style 5011' with Gloss Black Finish € 2,949
20" 5 Split-Spoke 'Style 5011' with Gloss Black Finish€ 737
20" 5 Split-Spoke 'Style 5011' with Gloss Black Finish€ 1,475
20" Aero 10 Spoke 'Style 1035' with Diamond Turned Finish € 2,949
20" Aero 10 Spoke 'Style 1035' with Diamond Turned Finish € 1,475
20" Aero 10-spoke style 1035 € 2,212
20" Aero 10-spoke style 1035 € 737
21" 10 Split-Spoke 'Style 1012' € 3,687
21" 10 Split-Spoke 'Style 1012' € 2,212
21" 10 Split-Spoke 'Style 1012' with Gloss Black Finish € 4,424
21" 10 Split-Spoke 'Style 1012' with Gloss Black Finish € 2,949
21" 5 Split-Spoke 'Style 5025' with Satin Dark Grey Finish SD4 & TDV6 € 2,949
21" 9 Spoke 'Style 9002' € 3,687
21" 9 Spoke 'Style 9002' € 2,212
21" 9 Spoke 'Style 9002' with Diamond Turned finish € 2,949
22" 5 Split-Spoke 'Style 5011' € 5,161
22" 5 Split-Spoke 'Style 5011' € 2,949
22" 5 Split-Spoke 'Style 5011' € 3,687
22" 5 Split-Spoke 'Style 5011' with Gloss Black finish € 3,687
22" 5 Split-Spoke 'Style 5011' with Gloss Black finish € 4,424
22" 5 Split-Spoke 'Style 5025' with Satin Dark Grey Diamond Turned finish - SD4 & TDV6 € 4,424
4 Zone Air Conditioning 568
7 Seat Cold Climate Pack € 1,609
7 Seat Luxury Climate Comfort Pack € 4,455
Active Grilleshutter € -
Adaptive LED Headlamps € 2,587
Adaptive LED Headlamps € 568
Adaptive Speed Control + Queue Assist € 1,515
Advanced Tow Assist - NA in 2.0TD4 € 532
Auto Dimming Mirror € 317
Automatic Low Light Sensing Headlights € 85
Black Pack € 433
Black Roof € 947
Body coloured Door Handles € -
Business Pack € 2,471
Capability Pack (2.0SD4) € 2,216
Capability Plus Pack € 3,825
Capability Plus Pack € 1,729
Climate Comfort Pack € 2,181
Climate Control Windscreen € 326
Cold Climate Pack € 1,139
Cold Climate Pack € 1,041
Cooled Console - Front € 456
DAB Radio € 442
Dark Brushed Aluminium € 442
Dark Oak Veneer € -
Detachable Tow Pack 1 € 947
Dynamic Pack 1 (External & Internal) € 3,199
Dynamic Pack 2 (External only) € 1,215
Ebony Premium Headlining € 442
Elec Tilt & Reach Adj Stg Column € 505
Electric Adj. Third Row Seats € 380
Electrically Deployable Tow Pack 1 € 1,515
Electro Chromic Interior Mirror € 228
Electronic Active Differential € 1,515
Exterior Mirror - Power Fold € 317
Fixed Panoramic Roof (Including Power blinds) € 1,895
Front & Rear Air Suspension (STD on 3.0 Engine), Pack on SD4 € 1,993
Front Ashtray € 54
Front fog lamps € 250
Front Park Aid € 505
Full Length Silver Roof Rails € 380
Full Size Spare Wheel € 679
Garage Door Opener(Homelink) € 326
Grey Roof € 947
Heads Up Display € 1,640
Heated Front Washer Jets (Windscreen) € 192
Heated Front Windscreen with timer € 250
Heated Seats- Driver and Passenger's (must call heated windscreen) € 478
Heated Steering Wheel € 317
High Gloss Charcoal Oak Veneer € 375
HLDF Dual View Screeen 10.2" € 1,010
Intelligent High Beam € 192
Intelligent Seat Fold € 630
Intrusion Sensor € 603
Jaguar Premium Sound System € 630
Keyless Entry and Start € 1,072
LED Headlamps € 2,020
Leisure Key € 505
Loadspace Cover € -
Loadspace Nets (1) € 192
Loadspace Stowage Rails € 192
Luxury Climate Comfort Pack € 3,964
Metallic Paint € 1,260
On Board Television- Front € 1,260
Pack 25 (P25) - Drive Pack € 295
Pack 25 (P25) - Drive Pack € 590
Pack 26 (P26) - Drive Pro Pack € 1,609
Pack 26 (P26) - Drive Pro Pack € 2,100
Pack 26 (P26) - Drive Pro Pack € 2,471
Pack 26 (P26) - Drive Pro Pack € 1,863
Park Heating With Remote Control € 1,895
Park Side Flank Guard € 1,515
Park Side Flank Guard € 1,010
Park Side Flank Guard € 505
Parking Aid - Rear € 505
Perpendicular Parking System € 947
Powered Inner Tailgate € 317
Powered Tailgate One Piece O 630
Premium Air Con - Fr & RR € 1,135
Premium Air Con - Fr & RR € 568
Premium Audio System € 1,770
Premium Front Carpet mats € 250
Premium Metallic Paint € 2,525
Privacy Glass € 568
Pwr Recline Rear Seat 95
Rain Sensing Windscreen Wipers O € 85
Rear Reading Lights O 0 € -
Rear Seat Entertainment System 8" Screen € 2,525
Remote Intelligent Seat Fold Pack € 2,100
Reverse Park Camera € 532
Roof Rails - Black € 380
SD Navigation € 1,010
SEAT PACK 4 - Memory 16X16 Way Windsor Leather Seats € 2,726
SEAT PACK 5 - Memory 16X 16 Way Massage Windsor Leather Seats € 1,099
Second Row 2 x 12v Charging points € 179
Second Row 2 x USBs Charging points € 179
Signature hi-line Tail Lights € 192
Surround Camera System € 1,515
Surround Camera System € 983
Tailgate Hands Free € 791
Tailgate Hands Free € 161
Terrain Optimisation € 250
Twin Speed Transfer Box (NA in 2.0TD4 & STD in TDV6) € 505
Versatile Climate Comfort Pack € 1,059
Versatile Climate Comfort Pack € 1,609
Vision Assist Pack € 411
Vision Assist Pack € 2,592
Vision Assist Pack € 1,238
Wade Sensing € 442
Winged Headrest Power € -
Wood Finisher (Natural Shadow Oak veneer) € 568

playbus

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Not that many used it. But no high/low range gearbox either as standard. It looks like rotten value compared to the outgoing machine. I've absolutely no interest in changing the 4 for one.

I tested the Discovery 5 today. This was actually the second test drive for me but the first one on the open road, I did a 50 mile run on main roads in a TD4 HSE. There can be no doubt that the new model is SIGNIFICANTLY comfier than any previous model, and you don't have to reach as far for any of the controls or switches either. It is vastly more refined too with hardly any engine or road noise whatsoever. And I got an average of 49mpg which is not too bad at all, a major improvement.

On the downside it is a bigger, longer, wider vehicle than before, and although the overall total loadspace capacity is more or less the same that is not in terms of standard loadspace, the figures include the various storage units throughout the vehicle. And the new shape is going to take some getting used to if you are a Discovery enthusiast.

But, due to the vastly improved refinement and the comfier driving position etc, I think it will actually catch on. And in N1 Commercial format, available to order only, (these are being converted at OHM HQ at Baldonnel) with the ability to reclaim VAT, suddenly it doesn't look overly expensive any more!!!!

playbus

Oh, and apparently the Discovery 5 has a 2 year 36,000km service interval on all 2.0 litre engines!!!

carsfan2

What was performance like with the td4 engine?

playbus

carsfan2 wrote: »

What was performance like with the td4 engine?

Not bad at all TBH, though I am hoping to try the SD4 before making a decision.... For me the economy is important, in this day and age....

In any case there is no TDV6 option on the Commercial as that engine is only available in seven seat models which cannot be converted....

playbus

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Not that many used it. But no high/low range gearbox either as standard. It looks like rotten value compared to the outgoing machine. I've absolutely no interest in changing the 4 for one.

Most of the Discovery 4 % seat N1 Commercials had a single speed transfer box too, does improve fuel economy on the open road though!

goochy

What was private tax on Discovery 4 ?
Commercial versions to order ?? Surely dealers will need vehicles for immediate delivery ?

playbus

playbus wrote: »

NEW DISCOVERY 5 N1 2 SEAT COMMERCIAL - REPUBLIC OF IRELAND - INCLUSIVE OF VAT @23%
2.0 TD4 S €53,000
...

€43K + VAT...............

LWB Commercial Landcruiser is €35k + VAT

Disco doesn't seem too badly priced in comparison to be fair.

goochy

yes but I am not convinced there are many people willing to spend €43k on a 2 seater 4x4 - if you got used to 5 seater comm. - very hard to go back to 2 seater.

playbus

goochy wrote: »

What was private tax on Discovery 4 ?
Commercial versions to order ?? Surely dealers will need vehicles for immediate delivery ?

Private tax on Discovery 4 was €2,345 up to 2012 and €1,200 thereafter, for the full 7 seater models.

Yes, at the moment the new Commercials are to order. Existing 5 seat vehicles can be converted so long as they have not been pre-registered. Or one can order from the factory (via dealer) if you want factory fitted extras....

I still find it amazing that on an 70 grand vehicle, it doesn't have a heated windscreen as standard!

playbus

goochy wrote: »

yes but I am not convinced there are many people willing to spend €43k on a 2 seater 4x4 - if you got used to 5 seater comm. - very hard to go back to 2 seater.

The problem with the New Discovery is that the door aperture (as well as the 5 seat loadspace) do not meet the Revenue's current requirements for the crew cab taxation system (N1).

So the only way to have a New Discovery 5 where you can reclaim the VAT is in the form of these new 2 seat Commercials. Fact. Sad fact but fact.

goochy

goochy wrote: »

yes but I am not convinced there are many people willing to spend €43k on a 2 seater 4x4 - if you got used to 5 seater comm. - very hard to go back to 2 seater.

If you would have had to pay 30% BIK on the 5 seater I am sure there are folks that will be happy with the €43k 2 seater option and 5% BIK

Not many who the 5 seat suited will go with a 2 seater but there are many who the 5 seat comm was never a realistic option.

goochy

the Toureg looks very small in back but that's crewcab

goochy

read road test in autocar mag. at weekend - got good reviews and tester claimed hes not a fan of all landy products !
The Disco. starts at £43k in uk but they don't sell the 180bhp model there - that's for higher bhp model.

is it actually launched here ? passed Stuarts and Spirit at weekend - it was a Sunday - maybe Disco was tucked away in showroom but could see any around ?

traco

Just looked at the link of the 171 for sale for 80k. I like the front but side and rear are terrible, rear lights look lost and reminds me of a Korean thing. For that price and if looking for 7 seats I'd take an XC90 as its just a much fresher style I reckon.

heebusjeebus

Saw a few going around Sandyford ind. estate yesterday. The pictures look nice but in reality they lack the presence of the older models and the rear is stupid looking.

carsfan2

For the money being asked we should be getting the more powerful 2 litre engine as standard.

playbus

goochy wrote: »

is it actually launched here ? passed Stuarts and Spirit at weekend - it was a Sunday - maybe Disco was tucked away in showroom but could see any around ?

There are a few HSE TD4 examples around, yes, definitely all across the West of Ireland dealers now. Not sure about Dublin but Stuarts (who have gone very downhill rapidly of late) are advertising them in stock....

Eric Cartman

heebusjeebus wrote: »

Saw a few going around Sandyford ind. estate yesterday. The pictures look nice but in reality they lack the presence of the older models and the rear is stupid looking.

none of the new LR range really has road presence, i suppose its a safety thing, but even the new RR isn't half as intimidating as the L322 model.

goochy

Playbus , interested in your comments about Stuarts - can you explain what you mean?
I think they went downhill when they went to Tallaght ! Must be a third generation thing - it seems to be run by accountants these days.
When I was growing up in Dublin in late 80s/ 90s and Stuarts were sole Range Rover dealers they were legendary. I would imagine they will have to give premises a revamp as other dealers are doing.

playbus

goochy wrote: »

Playbus , interested in your comments about Stuarts - can you explain what you mean?
I think they went downhill when they went to Tallaght ! Must be a third generation thing - it seems to be run by accountants these days.
When I was growing up in Dublin in late 80s/ 90s and Stuarts were sole Range Rover dealers they were legendary. I would imagine they will have to give premises a revamp as other dealers are doing.

Exactly. I too remember them well when they were in Ranelagh and then they moved to Kylemore Road before the current place. They used to have friendly, knowledgable staff. Now the staff are a bunch of (insert plural of a proverbial word), especially in the service department.

OHM (current JLR distributor) want several million's worth of buildings, space, and structure for all dealers, they own Spirit Group, the largest dealer in terms of volume at present, with the Joe Duffy group a close second. All the others will struggle to make these budgets....

goochy

so Stuarts are the smallest seller in Dublin ? even though they claim to be largest dealer.
Wonder what will happen to Spirit on Arena road when Volvo move to new showrooms ? , they don't own the Arena road premises - the premises are attractive but outdated - they are not likely to revamp rented premises.

see Mc Elligotts in Tralee no longer listed as sales dealer . I would worry about viability of these dealer developments with changes in crewcab tax and other weak points in JLR range.

Though I see JLR are making improvements to their 2 litre diesel engine.

playbus

There is an empty unit elsewhere in the SBD where Spirit may well move to, adjacent to their other branches.

What is still needed is a 26 dealer network, one for each county in the Republic.

goochy

There isn't a dealer for the prestige german brands in every county so no need for JLR , people at this end of market are willing to travel to next county if need be. The JLR dealer in Cork isn't known for doing good deals so people in Cork travel as far as Dublin , Wexford and even Donegal to buy new vehicles !.

playbus

It's one thing travelling long distances to purchase a vehicle, especially if the deal is a good one. I get that bit. And Wexford is certainly good at the moment, though like all the dealers they are struggling to get the stock people are asking for....

But it is another thing entirely to have to travel long distances for servicing or just to get a minor problem fixed.......

I'm too used to the UK mainland network, which is completely different in all respects to what it is over here.

SHEEHY83

Hello there,
Just wondering if anyone could help me... My boyfriend bought an old 5 seater LAND CRUISER from the UK in OCt/Nov... He is trying to get it commercially registered/taxed because he needs it for the farm, however i think the revenue aren't registering 5 seater jeeps commercially anymore, is that true??? Apparently there are new guidelines and all the jeeps that were tested didn't meet the guidelines?! There doesn't seem to be any evidence of the guidelines they are using and it all seems like yet another money scam to me, but then i know nothing about cars haha... i'd be very grateful for some guidance regarding the matter because the only other option is the sell it or spend another 3k to register it private. Thanks

playbus

SHEEHY83 wrote: »

Hello there,
Just wondering if anyone could help me... My boyfriend bought an old 5 seater LAND CRUISER from the UK in OCt/Nov... He is trying to get it commercially registered/taxed because he needs it for the farm, however i think the revenue aren't registering 5 seater jeeps commercially anymore, is that true??? Apparently there are new guidelines and all the jeeps that were tested didn't meet the guidelines?! There doesn't seem to be any evidence of the guidelines they are using and it all seems like yet another money scam to me, but then i know nothing about cars haha... i'd be very grateful for some guidance regarding the matter because the only other option is the sell it or spend another 3k to register it private. Thanks

All rules regarding VRT are retrospective, so whatever rules were in place at the time a vehicle was originally registered, apply. If your Land Cruiser was registered before this year then it will qualify.... There is a process to go through, you need to get the thing classed as an N1 vehicle....

SHEEHY83

Hi there... thanks for replying. How do you get it classed as an n1 vehicle if it wasn't registered as an N1 in the UK?
They did some sort of laser measuring and it didnt pass, but none of the 5 seater jeeps passed the day he was there... so i'm wondering how do you go about converting it when the new guidelines are not clear? they told him he could get it commercially registered with 2 seats only but he wants to avoid that.

goochy

What's this got to do with land rover discovery?

nosilver

playbus wrote: »

. All the others will struggle to make these budgets....

Except Conlons in Kildare.

They are currently fitting out a new jaguar / land rover showroom at Toughers next to their bmw showroom. Opening end April

Massive place - it used to be Brooks Thomas builders merchants.

goochy

What ? Where do they get the money from ?
They spent millions on a bmw showroom in the wrong location in 2004 which took them 10 years to realise and now that showroom will be under untilised

nosilver

goochy wrote: »

What ? Where do they get the money from ?
They spent millions on a bmw showroom in the wrong location in 2004 which took them 10 years to realise and now that showroom will be under untilised

Rathangan?

They didn't spend that much - at the end of the day they are warehouses with Windows and a few extra lights They got the Brooks building for a song, so I'd say they are not short a few bob.

I think Rathangan is staying as Peugeot and Mini.

playbus

Let us hope then, that the staff improve when the new Conlon's opens, because the current lot are (insert proverbial here)!

Will we ever get the modern equivalent of what Behan's used to be like down in Arklow, I wonder......? Friendly, knowledgeable staff, all enthusiasts, would take in/service any Land Rover of any age, full parts catalogue available, fast service turn-around, and overall just like some of the UK dealerships were like, perfection all around!

nosilver

playbus wrote: »

, because the current lot are (insert proverbial here)!

!

100% agree with you. Service staff in particular seem more interested in overcharging and doing work not needed than finding out the actual issue (I use an independent specialist now)

goochy

That place in rathangan is no shed, it must have cost a few million .Conlans don't seem to be that successful a garage group but have no shortage of cash.
It's strange that only peugeot dealer in kildare is all the way out I rathangan. it's so far out of the way

Damien360

goochy wrote: »

That place in rathangan is no shed, it must have cost a few million .Conlans don't seem to be that successful a garage group but have no shortage of cash.
It's strange that only peugeot dealer in kildare is all the way out I rathangan. it's so far out of the way

Was always BMW in ranthangan and have a large dealership between Newbridge and Naas. Used to capture a lot of Leinster BMW sales outside of Dublin. Peugeot in Edenderry but not sure if it is still there.

nosilver

goochy wrote: »

That place in rathangan is no shed, it must have cost a few million .Conlans don't seem to be that successful a garage group but have no shortage of cash.
It's strange that only peugeot dealer in kildare is all the way out I rathangan. it's so far out of the way

All car showrooms are glorified warehouses. Doubt if cost was much more than €1m.
I know that the full cost of rebuilding tp waters was under €1m and conlons would not be hugely different.

goochy

Edenderry long gone . Their used cars tend to have high miles and high prices .
Regarding Sean behans, that was a bit of a strange operation - Wicklow has quite a small population and trinity were not that far away. They seemed to buy up loads of used landys from all over the country and had used vehicles of all ages . Interesting operation though.

playbus

I worked on the BBC series "Ballykissangel" and all the Land Rover products featured within came from Behan's, at my behest! Great firm, I got several vehicles from them for myself and other people, all very satisfied customers. But they went to the wall because of only selling one marque when the boom ended in 2008.

Bazzy

It looks like a ssangyong rexton

Awful looking thing

playbus

Bazzy wrote: »

It looks like a ssangyong rexton

Awful looking thing

Try testing one though. It's grow on you. It is surprisingly comfortable and great to drive. Yes it's a new shape but it works, as a luxury 4WD. The jury is still out on practicality compared to previous models though.

PurvesGrundy

goochy wrote: »

Wonder what will happen to Spirit on Arena road when Volvo move to new showrooms ? , they don't own the Arena road premises - the premises are attractive but outdated - they are not likely to revamp rented premises

That is exactly what they are doing. The Arena Road premises is going to become totally revamped into a Jaguar Land Rover Ireland sales and distribution hub.

It is an unusual commitment to a leased building all right.

playbus

It will be an improvement on JLR Ireland's current distributor HQ office though, tucked away at the Baldonnel site. They used to have a frontage there but that is now gone. So a proper HQ is a bonus.

Will they improve everything else though, like their refusal to promote the 2 seat Discovery 5 Commercial?!

goochy

Refusal ? I assume you mean they just couldn't be bothered ? Has official launch happened of new disco.?

Interesting that arena road site being redeveloped will it be retail centre also ? If so.doesn't seem fair on other dealers especially stuarts that importer is at dealership too.
Assume stuarts are staying as land rover dealer and upgrading premises ? Shouldn't cost them too much as they have the building just needs upgrade.
Surprised they didn't take on jaguar for west dublin but that's stuarts for you these days.

PurvesGrundy

goochy wrote: »

Interesting that arena road site being redeveloped will it be retail centre also ?

Retail operations for Jaguar and Land Rover will be continuing as is.

Assume stuarts are staying as land rover dealer and upgrading premises ? Shouldn't cost them too much as they have the building just needs upgrade.
Surprised they didn't take on jaguar for west dublin but that's stuarts for you these days.

That's a small site they have though in Greenhills. There would be not much scope to expand I would imagine.

I am sure Stuarts have a lot of goodwill alone in keeping the Land Rover franchise, given that they are the longest associated dealer by a long shot.

goochy

i know Stuarts cant expand but they could revamp site and perhaps move service / parts elsewhere. I assume they are staying on as dealer and revamping premises ?
That sales guy Sam Power must be getting on a bit but doesn't seem to have aged much.

playbus

Not much point in revamping current Stuarts premises. Site way too small.

Certainly West Dublin could do with a real JLR specialist dealer, somewhere.

Sam Power has been there for well over 30 years at this stage, I can recall him in the Ranelagh days!

goochy

But surely they will have to upgrade to stay dealers ? If they moved their service / parts elsewhere they could turn it into huge showroom ..
surprised they didn't restablish their link with jaguar .