New model Land Rover Discovery

paulmurphyvec

It's only a D4/RTE tractor, nothing more, nothing less!

paulmurphyvec

paulmurphyvec wrote: »

It's only a D4/RTE tractor, nothing more, nothing less!

If you had the option of a commercial jeep would you take one of these or a Landcruiser if you didn't need to be pulling trailers etc and were using it for light work mainly on the road?

Or would you prefer a Kuga or a Focus type thing?

goochy

if you buy a crew cab pick up , is it not the same as the 5 seater crew cab system that's just been replaced?

goochy

goochy wrote: »

if you buy a crew cab pick up , is it not the same as the 5 seater crew cab system that's just been replaced?

The system hasn't been replaced they just changed the criteria for passing as a 5 seat commercial. The likes of the discovery are failing as the rear door opening is not big enough. A pickup is open at the back so it satisfies the criteria as it is essentially an infinitely sized rear opening (sky is the limit literally).

landcrusiers, Pajeros and Touaregs are still available in 5 seat commercial also.

goochy

Finished reading ' car ' magazine group test , disco. came close second to Q7 . Q7 looks more expensive than Disco. but is actually cheaper - seeing quite a few of them around.
The poor handling of Disco. was mentioned.

goochy

read irish journalist - Neil Briscoes test in local newspaper - hes one of the best testers around - straight to the point.
He was driving the higher bhp 2 litre but stressed this vehicle is not quick , he was a big fan of disco. 3/4 but says the current Disco. has lost its character. Feels like a Range Rover for people who don't want the Range rover image.

Oafley Jones

goochy wrote: »

read irish journalist - Neil Briscoes test in local newspaper - hes one of the best testers around - straight to the point.
He was driving the higher bhp 2 litre but stressed this vehicle is not quick , he was a big fan of disco. 3/4 but says the current Disco. has lost its character. Feels like a Range Rover for people who don't want the Range rover image.

That's an odd comment because the new Disco feels absolutely tailored to those who are looking for the Range Rover image. This seems far less a utility vehicle and much more in the vein of the evoque/range rover sport/ Chelsea tractor brigade.

freddieot

Oafley Jones wrote: »

That's an odd comment because the new Disco feels absolutely tailored to those who are looking for the Range Rover image. This seems far less a utility vehicle and much more in the vein of the evoque/range rover sport/ Chelsea tractor brigade.

I agree that would be the case if it was not to be available as a commercial as well (and that will then be the vast bulk of sales).

The Dublin 4 tractor brigade won't be looking for Donnybrook tractors that their local plumber, gardener, painter is also going to be driving. Especially if to the uneducated eye, a commercial variation looks more or less the same but is half the cost that they would have to pay etc. That's why these will never be sold to the private luxury buyer in any great numbers unless they have a serious need for a really good off-roader but can't afford a range rover.

freddieot

freddieot wrote: »

The Dublin 4 tractor brigade won't be looking for Donnybrook tractors that their local plumber, gardener, painter is also going to be driving. .

I don't believe that a commercial version being available would have any impact whatsoever on a person buying one as a luxury car. In fact it might even help sales as it gives a more rugged impression of the vehicle.

There is loads of RR sports, X5s and Touregs in commercial format and I doubt very much that bothers anyone buying a passenger one.

freddieot

Oliver Muscular Queen wrote: »

I don't believe that a commercial version being available would have any impact whatsoever on a person buying one as a luxury car. In fact it might even help sales as it gives a more rugged impression of the vehicle.

There is loads of RR sports, X5s and Touregs in commercial format and I doubt very much that bothers anyone buying a passenger one.

There are hardly loads of RRs and X5s in commercial format. Any that are out there are the full passenger versions for business use. My point is that anyone prepared to spend 85k+ on a new Q7, X5 or RR won't look twice at something that will sell in the main for use as a van. That's not to say that the new Disco is not a high spec, excellent vehicle, but I do believe it won't sell well as a premium luxury vehicle. However, time will tell I suppose.

goochy

I don't believe the commercial will be popular , farmers may buy the landcruiser comm. but think theres little market for other comm. 4x4 .
Pc 4x4 has started importing used Discovery 4's and is selling as 2 seater comms. - not sure if hes getting them converted or already uk commercial models , hes struggling to sell the high value new crew cabs like the Range rover , Maserati and g wagons

freddieot

freddieot wrote: »

There are hardly loads of RRs and X5s in commercial format. Any that are out there are the full passenger versions for business use. My point is that anyone prepared to spend 85k+ on a new Q7, X5 or RR won't look twice at something that will sell in the main for use as a van. That's not to say that the new Disco is not a high spec, excellent vehicle, but I do believe it won't sell well as a premium luxury vehicle. However, time will tell I suppose.

I disagree I think they will buy something that will also sell as a van within issue.

Also there are plenty of full commercial RR sports and X5's around and even more touregs.

goochy wrote: »

I don't believe the commercial will be popular , farmers may buy the landcruiser comm. but think theres little market for other comm. 4x4 .
Pc 4x4 has started importing used Discovery 4's and is selling as 2 seater comms. - not sure if hes getting them converted or already uk commercial models , hes struggling to sell the high value new crew cabs like the Range rover , Maserati and g wagons

Pajeros are nearly as popular as landcruisers and there are plenty of discoverys too being used by farmers. Crewcab pick ups have taken a fair bit of the market share alright though as they can be used as the family car also etc.

goochy

Yes but the problem is land rover products are much more advanced and expensive now than say 10 years ago

goochy

see Stuarts have the new 2 litre 240bhp Range rover sport for €92,515 , I know its not a 7 seater but it seems a lot more car for money than the Discovery Hse for similar money. Don't know how the 3 litre HSE Discovery at Stuarts is €100k , seen other 3 litre Hse's on net for much less. Who will pay €100k for a Discovery ?

blue5000

goochy wrote: »

see Stuarts have the new 2 litre 240bhp Range rover sport for €92,515 , I know its not a 7 seater but it seems a lot more car for money than the Discovery Hse for similar money. Don't know how the 3 litre HSE Discovery at Stuarts is €100k , seen other 3 litre Hse's on net for much less. Who will pay €100k for a Discovery ?

Not too many farmers for a start.:(

carsfan2

blue5000 wrote: »

Not too many farmers for a start.:(

Property developers?
Think they still prefer cachet of a Range Rover though.

goochy

Autoboland have a 2 litre 180ps Disco . HSE ' LUX' for €94.270 ! that's more expensive than the 3 litre standard HSE they have for sale !
I see Bradley have sense and just have a white 2 litre passenger for about €71k , how they expect people to pay over €94k for a 2 litre Discovery is beyond me.
Wonder if theres many orders for July ? think not

carsfan2

I was in autoboland on Saturday and they were loading 3 new discoverys onto a transporter. They had sequential D plates so I'm guessing they are hire cars or pre regs.
They are fine cars except for the rear styling.
Based on my customer experience there on Saturday I would be slow to part with my money.

I really can't see people paying so much for 180hp as 90 k plus.

goochy

new showrooms not opened yet are they ? I hate to say it but I can see these new JLR dealerships becoming white elephants - just cant see there being enough business for them.
Surprised Conlans new place ( wasn't opened last time passed) was allowed to be built right on top ( you know what I mean ) of the BMW place.

carsfan2

New showroom not open.
It looks identical to the one in Limerick.
Must be the new template.
They didn't even have a Land Rover in the existing showroom only outside.
They were not busy and was looking at Volvo not Land Rover but Found the whole experience poor enough.

goochy

those showrooms were ridiculously small for all the franchises even in 2004 , think Volvo took the franchise off them last year for a while. Must have been stalling on upgrading premises , have to say don't think much of Volvos new ' small window' showroom design.

Marcusm

goochy wrote: »

Autoboland have a 2 litre 180ps Disco . HSE ' LUX' for €94.270 ! that's more expensive than the 3 litre standard HSE they have for sale !
I see Bradley have sense and just have a white 2 litre passenger for about €71k , how they expect people to pay over €94k for a 2 litre Discovery is beyond me.
Wonder if theres many orders for July ? think not

Spend 80k on a Volvo XC90 T8, enjoy the 400bhp and spend the extra 14k on fuel.

Autosport

Much prefer Boland Carlow than Waterford.

playbus

I've heard that two major UK based 4X4 hire companies (that specialise in Land Rover products) have approached a well-known dealership over here with the view to ordering a total of 100 Discovery 5 Commercials of varying specifications for export back to the UK.

goochy

interesting , some manufacturers don't allow that type of thing these days. Insisting new vehicles are sold only in dealers home country.
Do you know if theres many orders for Discos. for 172 ?

playbus

Have not heard of any except for fleet and hire fleet orders.... Although the Commercial is gaining interest, at last....

goochy

saw a 171 C one that's been bought , rear looks so bad and reg. plate looks terrible on it .

has Lyons of limerick new place opened yet ?

will dealers like Stuarts who only sell Land Rover have to revamp like JLR dealers ?

blue5000

goochy wrote: »

saw a 171 C one that's been bought , rear looks so bad and reg. plate looks terrible on it .

has Lyons of limerick new place opened yet ?

will dealers like Stuarts who only sell Land Rover have to revamp like JLR dealers ?

Ballysimon/Tipperary rd is open anyway. Is there another one?

goochy

good will have a look at lyons on Sunday after classic car show , imagine its more or less on top of Ford showroom with tiny forecourt ?

goochy

just saw briefly in Cork , a black 171D41XXX Discovery commercial - no dealer name on it. Strange to register so late in year / 171 period. Maybe its government vehicle or import ?

playbus

[font=Helmet, Freesans, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]The franchised dealer in Wexford currently has a Discovery 5 SE Commercial for €60K inc VAT, in stock and on show, ready to test.....[/font]

James Bond Junior

Saw a copper brown one in Limerick today. In herselfs words, doesn't look great does it? As per usual, she is dead right.

goochy

was looking around the dealer in cork today , a no. of new Discos. in stock - interior looks really good - they normally have big sold signs on cars but none on any of the Discos.

isn't there main dealers advertising new commercial Range rover and Range Rover sports ?
Why have they not done a commercial version of the Discovery sport ?

Hopefully when the new Defender comes out , they make a trendy version and a more basic spec. / affordable model for farmers / business people.

ofcork

I thought there was no commercial option on these reviewer on examiner today says the same.

sword1

No 5 seater commercial

Frankie Lee

Timing chains will prove to be an issue with these. Similar design to the BMW n47 and a lot worse to replace by all accounts.

goochy

Noticed stuarts have a no. Of delivery mileage volvos advertised . Are they giving up land rover for volvo ?

PurvesGrundy

goochy wrote: »

Noticed stuarts have a no. Of delivery mileage volvos advertised . Are they giving up land rover for volvo ?

I noticed it myself. Reading between the lines, I would say that is plausible.

Keeping Land Rover would probably require a totally new showroom and addition of the Jaguar brand. It probably is just not worth it considering all Jaguar sell is the F-Pace and Land Rover no longer have the Disco Utility. They will probably have to do just a cosmetic revamp of their showroom for Volvo.

Eric Cartman

saw one the other day, the rear of them is just so ugly.

R.O.R

Eric Cartman wrote: »

saw one the other day, the rear of them is just so ugly.

It mings to look at, but go sit inside one. It all becomes much clearer then.

goochy

Passed stuarts today the volvos are obviously off reg. Maybe they got them at good price but would make up wonder.
they would really only have to fit out their current showrooms and reclad it as structure is grand . Maybe move service dept. Elsewhere .
Are dealers these days going to be able to only sell land rover ? Wonder if that new showroom look is only for both jaguar and land rover

goochy

anyone hear if many Discovery orders for 172 ?

goochy

Just went on Land Rover website , Stuarts only listed as service dealer !
Could see it coming but still hard to believe as longest running dealer and once most successful.
Assume they are only leasing Mazda place , will they move Mazda into main place or maybe take on Volvo - they have had a few late models lately.

Cant say I blame Stuarts , would worry for viability of the other dealers and their new premises.

goochy

People seeing many 172 Discoveries around , seen x2 in cork - one being DL reg - seemed to be top of the range models so looked not too bad.
Saw x2 nice looking 172 C RR sports first few days of july - rare enough sight in Cork - assume they are 2 litre models - seem good option compared to Discovery.

sword1

105 sold 171, 66 in Dublin, 9 in kildare, 6 in Cork. I can't see if some were the old model but none were sold in January so it seems people were waiting for the new model.

Frankie Lee

Frankie Lee wrote: »

Timing chains will prove to be an issue with these. Similar design to the BMW n47 and a lot worse to replace by all accounts.

What marks them out design wise to suffer chain issues?

Oafley Jones

goochy wrote: »

People seeing many 172 Discoveries around , seen x2 in cork - one being DL reg - seemed to be top of the range models so looked not too bad.
Saw x2 nice looking 172 C RR sports first few days of july - rare enough sight in Cork - assume they are 2 litre models - seem good option compared to Discovery.

They've stood out to me as well. I've seen at least three cork reg RRS since the start of the year. I don't ever recall seeing a new one before. Still only seen 2 new discos, I've seen more old model 171s.

R.O.R

Supplied a 90k Discovery SD4 7 seat HSE last week so there's at least 1 x 172 in Dublin.

goochy

Very good. Can you shed any light on stuarts or maybe you work there ? ! Are they changing over to volvo ?

R.O.R

goochy wrote: »

Very good. Can you shed any light on stuarts or maybe you work there ? ! Are they changing over to volvo ?

Haven't a clue what's going on at Stuarts.