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    #542
    ganmo
    Registered Users Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭ganmo


    The only way you can remove a tail is to put the ring on them inside 1 week of age.

    If you really really hate the sight of it a vet might cut it off


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    #543
    DJ98
    Registered Users Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭DJ98


    One long tail won't do any harm. The ram will no exactly what he is at.


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    #544
    sea12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,244 ✭✭✭sea12


    IH784man wrote: »
    Bought a ewe a week or 2 ago in the mart,she has a long tail,hate them on ewes,anyway I can remove it as painless as possible before the ram goes out in August?Could I use a rubber band

    No that can only be used when they are under a week old. That would cause unnecessary suffering. Sur the ram will work away just keep the tail clipped


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    #545
    IH784man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 740 ✭✭✭IH784man


    It doesn't bother me that much would just prefer it off,thanks


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    #546
    Lambman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭Lambman


    IH784man wrote: »
    It doesn't bother me that much would just prefer it off,thanks
    Seen men do it with the squeezers they use for castrating calfs.. it's fast and very little blood... but it wouldn bother me having a ewe with a long tail.


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    #547
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    I haven't docked tails for more than 20 years and only one ewe died of twin lamb in that time. A quarter of a ewes fat reserves are held in the tail so I am very uneasy about tailing lambs I may be keeping for breeding.


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    #548
    White Clover
    Registered Users Posts: 4,632 ✭✭✭White Clover


    Farmer_3650 wrote: »
    Never mind the vet we used to cut the tails off all our lambs with a knife up until about 3 years ago. We still cut the tails off 5 or 6 lambs every year that we forget to put rings on. There is a fair bit of blood afterwards but none of the lambs ever got an infection and none of them started losing weight or anything like that. Now we use the rings. It's a lot less painful on the lamb and is probably the best option but if you have the odd one or two with tails, don't be afraid to cut them off.

    This is a public forum, what you're advocating there is not on. Please don't be encouraging anyone else to carry on like that.


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    #549
    ganmo
    Registered Users Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭ganmo


    Farmer_3650 wrote: »
    Never mind the vet we used to cut the tails off all our lambs with a knife up until about 3 years ago. We still cut the tails off 5 or 6 lambs every year that we forget to put rings on. There is a fair bit of blood afterwards but none of the lambs ever got an infection and none of them started losing weight or anything like that. Now we use the rings. It's a lot less painful on the lamb and is probably the best option but if you have the odd one or two with tails, don't be afraid to cut them off.

    I know it can be done but it shouldn't and you shouldn't admit that you did it either

    https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/farmingschemesandpayments/crosscompliance/farmadvisorysystem/2012fastrainingpresentations/FASWELFARE12.pdf
    Page 20


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    #550
    Green farmer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,005 ✭✭✭Green farmer


    Going to buy some clik online. Who's reliable and straightforward to order off ? Agridirect ????


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    #551
    roosky
    Registered Users Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭roosky


    Green farmer wrote: »
    Going to buy some clik online. Who's reliable and straightforward to order off ? Agridirect ????

    Deal with agridirect weekly,

    and never had a complaint about them, and any issue i had was sorted quickly


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    #552
    Birdnuts
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    Came across first maggot strike today during the first batch of shearing here. The smell would floor you:(


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    #553
    sea12
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    Birdnuts wrote: »
    Came across first maggot strike today during the first batch of shearing here. The smell would floor you:(

    Noticed my dry hoggets coughing allot the past two weeks. Dosed them all last week with worm dose but see some still at it this evening. Would be fairly bad if they were running into next field etc. Would they need S other dose or what would ye revommend. 3 different batches of bought in ewe lambs in wintertime do hard to know their history


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    #554
    razor8
    Registered Users Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭razor8


    sea12 wrote: »
    Noticed my dry hoggets coughing allot the past two weeks. Dosed them all last week with worm dose but see some still at it this evening. Would be fairly bad if they were running into next field etc. Would they need S other dose or what would ye revommend. 3 different batches of bought in ewe lambs in wintertime do hard to know their history

    What was the product you used?


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    #555
    Lambman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭Lambman


    Dung samples only way if u don't know there history...


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    #556
    Bleating Lamb
    Registered Users Posts: 4,677 ✭✭✭Bleating Lamb


    Birdnuts wrote: »
    Came across first maggot strike today during the first batch of shearing here. The smell would floor you:(

    Were they on a ewe or a dry hogget?


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    Bleating Lamb
    Registered Users Posts: 4,677 ✭✭✭Bleating Lamb


    Birdnuts wrote: »
    Came across first maggot strike today during the first batch of shearing here. The smell would floor you:(

    Were they on a ewe or a dry hogget?


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    #558
    Lambman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭Lambman


    Just weighing today and was gonna wean them but might let it go for a week.... I remember a thread on people having alot off ram lambs this year and I seen it on a few farms but I'm around 70% ewe lambs wonder is it just nature or what's the reasoning?


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    #559
    farawaygrass
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    Would ye dose lambs for worms the same day ye wean them or is it a bit much?


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    #560
    Farmer_3650
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    farawaygrass wrote: »
    Would ye dose lambs for worms the same day ye wean them or is it a bit much?

    I wouldn't think it is a bit much. I dipped and weaned the lambs on the same day last week. It didn't seem to affect their performance. They seem to have thrived fairly well since then.


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    #561
    DJ98
    Registered Users Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭DJ98


    Have a few ewes that are 3yr olds now, didnt go im lamb last year but didnt bother to sell them as had plenty of grass, would these be better sold and buy hoggets or is there a chance they will go in lamb this year.


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    #562
    Farmer_3650
    Registered Users Posts: 575 ✭✭✭Farmer_3650


    DJ98 wrote: »
    Have a few ewes that are 3yr olds now, didnt go im lamb last year but didnt bother to sell them as had plenty of grass, would these be better sold and buy hoggets or is there a chance they will go in lamb this year.

    How long was the Rams with them for? You could keep them and they would more than likely go in-lamb. However, when you have ewes not getting in lamb after three cycles ( guessing the Ram was out at least 6 weeks) you have to ask yourself is this ewe really worth keeping. Also Ewes prices were 2.90 last week and I'm sure the won't be any less than 2.80 this week. You won't get prices like that very often. If it was me I would cull them. We cull any ewes not in lamb at scanning. It helps keep our lambing spread tight.


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    #563
    DJ98
    Registered Users Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭DJ98


    The ram was out with them from October to end of January so they had plenty of cycles


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    #564
    Username John
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,237 ✭✭✭Username John


    I'd be worried they'd be too fat for the ram, kept ewes before that didn't go in lamb the year before and they got as far as fools over the winter...

    I would be of the opinion as well that ewes not in lamb should be sold off at scanning. Esp if they are with the ram for 3 months...


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    #565
    DJ98
    Registered Users Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭DJ98


    Are hoggets or 3-4 yr old ewes a better option for replacements?


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    #566
    Username John
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,237 ✭✭✭Username John


    DJ98 wrote: »
    Are hoggets or 3-4 yr old ewes a better option for replacements?

    Given you have the ewes I'd chance em away.

    When will you put em with the ram? Do you raddle the ram? Do you have a teaser ram or use the ram effect?

    Would you have time to give your ewes one or two cycles with the ram - if no raddle then see if you can sell and get hoggets then?


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    #567
    ganmo
    Registered Users Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭ganmo


    The price of the ewes won't buy a hogget.
    If any of them aren't in lamb at scanning time give them gate but I wouldn't be pushed till then


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    #568
    razor8
    Registered Users Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭razor8


    Maybe absorbed embryo's before scanning, if good ewes I'd chance them but would never keep any replacements from them

    As for buying older ewes is generally avoid it unless you know why there been sold. You don't want to end up with others problems


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    #569
    DJ98
    Registered Users Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭DJ98


    razor8 wrote: »
    Maybe absorbed embryo's before scanning, if good ewes I'd chance them but would never keep any replacements from them

    As for buying older ewes is generally avoid it unless you know why there been sold. You don't want to end up with others problems

    What causes embyros to be absorbed?


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    #570
    razor8
    Registered Users Posts: 2,321 ✭✭✭razor8


    Usually toxo but can be enzootic as well


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    #571
    stantheman1979
    Registered Users Posts: 435 ✭✭stantheman1979


    DJ98 wrote: »
    Have a few ewes that are 3yr olds now, didnt go im lamb last year but didnt bother to sell them as had plenty of grass, would these be better sold and buy hoggets or is there a chance they will go in lamb this year.
    Not a hope I would keep them. Cull all empties at scanning here and would sell a few scanned with singles and replace them with horneys scanned with twins for less money.Ewes are €2.90 and they should be fat doing nothing up to now. Why take the risk with them when they've lost u money all summer.


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