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    #6632
    k mac
    Registered Users Posts: 652 ✭✭✭k mac


    Does a flock number automatically cancel if it hasn't been used in a few years. I got one 6 years ago I had a herd number already but have not bought any sheep since


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    #6633
    Siamsa Sessions
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭Siamsa Sessions


    k mac wrote: »
    Does a flock number automatically cancel if it hasn't been used in a few years. I got one 6 years ago I had a herd number already but have not bought any sheep since

    I'd be guessing it depends on the Dept's policy at any given time. Which may change a year later. And then change back again the following year.

    It's admin and paperwork so best to ring your local Dept office and check

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    #6634
    Lambman
    Registered Users Posts: 1,041 ✭✭✭Lambman


    Does anyone know the calculation used for nitrates on an all sheep farm? Got a letter out today till say I'm getting cut 20% as I was over it in 2019... inwas stocking higher than previous years and buying and finishing inside aswell.


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    #6635
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,178 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Lambman wrote: »
    Does anyone know the calculation used for nitrates on an all sheep farm? Got a letter out today till say I'm getting cut 20% as I was over it in 2019... inwas stocking higher than previous years and buying and finishing inside aswell.

    You'll get it on page 44 of this link

    https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/ruralenvironment/environment/nitrates/2018Nitratesexplanatoryhandbook03042018.pdf


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    #6636
    roosky
    Registered Users Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭roosky


    k mac wrote: »
    Does a flock number automatically cancel if it hasn't been used in a few years. I got one 6 years ago I had a herd number already but have not bought any sheep since

    If you have a herd number you can buy sheep even if you haven’t had sheep for a few years the “flock number doesn’t go dormant”.

    But if you have a herd number with cattle and sheep then sell the cattle and only keep sheep your “herd number for cattle” will go dormant even though you have sheep.....I assume it’s something to do with TB


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    #6637
    DJ98
    Registered Users Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭DJ98


    How would a person go about finding winter grazing for sheep?


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    #6638
    early_riser
    Registered Users Posts: 154 ✭✭early_riser


    DJ98 wrote: »
    How would a person go about finding winter grazing for sheep?

    Local auctioneers, wanted ad on done deal or a local paper, word of mouth, ad on notice board local mart ect..


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    #6639
    DJ98
    Registered Users Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭DJ98


    Might sound like a ridiculous question but got the mayo healthcare bolus for ewes, question is do you put the yellow capsule in the applicator and straight down the throat? Or do open them up it's just that they seem awful big


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    #6640
    Dinzee Conlee
    Registered Users Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭Dinzee Conlee


    DJ98 wrote: »
    Might sound like a ridiculous question but got the mayo healthcare bolus for ewes, question is do you put the yellow capsule in the applicator and straight down the throat? Or do open them up it's just that they seem awful big

    The bolus gun that I have won’t fit the yellow tablet - so I have to open them, and put the two little capsules into the gun...

    I think you can get a bigger bolus gun I think, but I just worked with what I had...


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    #6641
    weatherbyfoxer
    Registered Users Posts: 1,267 ✭✭✭weatherbyfoxer


    DJ98 wrote: »
    Might sound like a ridiculous question but got the mayo healthcare bolus for ewes, question is do you put the yellow capsule in the applicator and straight down the throat? Or do open them up it's just that they seem awful big

    put them down whole with the applicator,the minute they get wet the disolve and the metal filing are left...i found those particular bolus useless...blooded ewes 6 weeks after application and the trace element levels didn't improve


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    #6642
    Dinzee Conlee
    Registered Users Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭Dinzee Conlee


    weatherbyfoxer wrote: »
    put them down whole with the applicator,the minute they get wet the disolve and the metal filing are left...i found those particular bolus useless...blooded ewes 6 weeks after application and the trace element levels didn't improve

    That's interesting...

    Used em before, and I thought they were ok... Used em again, and I felt they didnt last - ewes looked short of cobalt after about 3 months or so...

    I think some people have said here before that they are going back to regular mineral dosing. I know its a bit of a pain, but it probably is the best really... Prob going that way myself...


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    #6643
    orm0nd
    Registered Users Posts: 4,208 ✭✭✭orm0nd


    weatherbyfoxer wrote: »
    put them down whole with the applicator,the minute they get wet the disolve and the metal filing are left...i found those particular bolus useless...blooded ewes 6 weeks after application and the trace element levels didn't improve

    never had much faith in them myself, that why I recommended agrimin or animax a few posts back,


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    #6644
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,178 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Dinzee Conlee wrote: »
    The bolus gun that I have won’t fit the yellow tablet - so I have to open them, and put the two little capsules into the gun...

    I think you can get a bigger bolus gun I think, but I just worked with what I had...

    would they really be slow release if you broke them, they'd ssurely go through them very quick


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    #6645
    DJ98
    Registered Users Posts: 1,344 ✭✭✭DJ98


    Was dosing and bolusing ewes here today, when in the race some ewes jumped out before they got there treatment (about 7 in total) and mixed with those that had been done? I marked any ewes that had been done after this happening but if I gather them in again to treat the once missed would I do harm if ended up doing the same ewe twice or would it be best just to leave them be?


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    #6646
    Dinzee Conlee
    Registered Users Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭Dinzee Conlee


    wrangler wrote: »
    would they really be slow release if you broke them, they'd ssurely go through them very quick

    No, they come as two small bolus that are in one plastic capsule...
    I just dump the outer plastic capsule...


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    #6647
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,178 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Dinzee Conlee wrote: »
    No, they come as two small bolus that are in one plastic capsule...
    I just dump the outer plastic capsule...

    You're right, OH has just informed of that too about mayo, we've never used them


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    #6648
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,178 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    We're dipping tomorrow, good weather forecast, hope it's right


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    #6649
    Farmer_3650
    Registered Users Posts: 575 ✭✭✭Farmer_3650


    Dinzee Conlee wrote: »
    No, they come as two small bolus that are in one plastic capsule...
    I just dump the outer plastic capsule...

    I use the mayo healthcare bolus but they are only one capsule.
    https://sheepproducts.ie/collections/mineral-vitamins-1/products/allguard-sheep-5-in-1-bolus

    I find things improved here very much since I started using them, but I'm sure animax are just as good.


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    #6650
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    DJ98 wrote: »
    Was dosing and bolusing ewes here today, when in the race some ewes jumped out before they got there treatment (about 7 in total) and mixed with those that had been done? I marked any ewes that had been done after this happening but if I gather them in again to treat the once missed would I do harm if ended up doing the same ewe twice or would it be best just to leave them be?

    I'd be leaving them alone, DJ. Depending on what's in the boluses, there could be a slight chance of overdosing with some minerals.


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    #6651
    jd06
    Registered Users Posts: 588 ✭✭✭jd06


    Farmer_3650 wrote: »
    I use the mayo healthcare bolus but they are only one capsule.
    https://sheepproducts.ie/collections/mineral-vitamins-1/products/allguard-sheep-5-in-1-bolus

    I find things improved here very much since I started using them, but I'm sure animax are just as good.

    I might have said this before
    But I had a ewe died3 months after giving hhe bolus. The foxes got to her before I did and the bolus was on the ground in its original state it wasn't worn away or dissolved
    I rang mayo health care and got a rep. He said they dont dissolve
    So how do they work???
    I'm baffeled


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    #6652
    Farmer_3650
    Registered Users Posts: 575 ✭✭✭Farmer_3650


    jd06 wrote: »
    I might have said this before
    But I had a ewe died3 months after giving hhe bolus. The foxes got to her before I did and the bolus was on the ground in its original state it wasn't worn away or dissolved
    I rang mayo health care and got a rep. He said they dont dissolve
    So how do they work???
    I'm baffeled

    Interesting and I've heard a few with similar stories, Nothing is as effective as the manufacturer says but I genuinely seen a difference and I'd have no problem saying if I didn't. I understood that they dissolved too. If I lose a ewe within the next few weeks, I'll check her out of curiosity.


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    #6653
    Dinzee Conlee
    Registered Users Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭Dinzee Conlee


    Farmer_3650 wrote: »
    Interesting and I've heard a few with similar stories, Nothing is as effective as the manufacturer says but I genuinely seen a difference and I'd have no problem saying if I didn't. I understood that they dissolved too. If I lose a ewe within the next few weeks, I'll check her out of curiosity.

    Well, if they work for you, that’s all that matters really...


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    #6654
    Dinzee Conlee
    Registered Users Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭Dinzee Conlee


    Jjameson wrote: »
    If they have a placebo effect on your brain?

    Hard to put a value on peace of mind :)

    You have a point though Jameson - you do tend to think “bolus done, no need to worry about that for months now”


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    #6655
    Farmer_3650
    Registered Users Posts: 575 ✭✭✭Farmer_3650


    Spotted 3 lambs with pinkeye here this morning, just wondering what may have caused it? Lambs are on grass and being fed no silage or concentrates. Had it before with ewes on silage but never seen it happening in sheep at grass...


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    #6656
    Young95
    Registered Users Posts: 553 ✭✭✭Young95


    Farmer_3650 wrote: »
    Spotted 3 lambs with pinkeye here this morning, just wondering what may have caused it? Lambs are on grass and being fed no silage or concentrates. Had it before with ewes on silage but never seen it happening in sheep at grass...

    Inject straight away with alamicine and put them in isolation straight away ! I had a huge outbreak of it here couple weeks back . Spread through the whole flock


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    #6657
    Farmer_3650
    Registered Users Posts: 575 ✭✭✭Farmer_3650


    Young95 wrote: »
    Inject straight away with alamicine and put them in isolation straight away ! I had a huge outbreak of it here couple weeks back . Spread through the whole flock

    Its a bad dose alright, same thing happened to us here in 2018 in ewes that were on silage.


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    #6658
    kk.man
    Registered Users Posts: 3,561 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Farmer_3650 wrote: »
    Its a bad dose alright, same thing happened to us here in 2018 in ewes that were on silage.
    What causes it?.. If not inside or on silage..


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    #6659
    Young95
    Registered Users Posts: 553 ✭✭✭Young95


    kk.man wrote: »
    What causes it?.. If not inside or on silage..

    Basically if a sheep gets prod in there eye or picks up the bacteria in ditches etc .. but it’s the flys that spread it outdoors by landing from one sheep’s face and going to the next one and so on .


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    #6660
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,178 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    wrangler wrote: »
    We're dipping tomorrow, good weather forecast, hope it's right

    Weather stayed good anyway, He had the same sort of dipper that the guys with the lorries have, sheep go into a cage and the cage put into a tank. He did 300 in about two hours, myself and a neighbour brought our flocks together, his jeep trailer carries 50 ewes so I brought mine to his place


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    #6661
    foxirl
    Registered Users Posts: 677 ✭✭✭foxirl


    wrangler wrote: »
    Weather stayed good anyway, He had the same sort of dipper that the guys with the lorries have, sheep go into a cage and the cage put into a tank. He did 300 in about two hours, myself and a neighbour brought our flocks together, his jeep trailer carries 50 ewes so I brought mine to his place

    What's the cost per ewe. Father has a tub but this might be an easier option. Feel free to pm if you don't want to post price. Thanks


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