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    #8132
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,178 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    kk.man wrote: »
    Fair play to ye both you have done great work and have been an inspiration to farmers and many on boards. It's not easy give up a lifetime's work.

    Jasus, thanks , don't know if I'm that good. I don't advise but always say what we do here.
    A lifetimes experience i suppose


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    #8133
    Western Pomise
    Registered Users Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭Western Pomise


    I posted a query on suitable tactics for dosing ewes,dry hoggetts and lambs this time of year but posted it on the main farming forum by mistake....appreciate it if ye gave a look at it and chipped in with advice.


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    #8134
    Sami23
    Registered Users Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭Sami23


    Noticed a Ewe yesterday evening that appears to have gone fairly blind in both eyes with the eyes sort of clouded over.
    What could have caused this and what is the best treatment for it ?
    Thanks in advance as always


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    #8135
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,178 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Western Pomise wrote: »
    I posted a query on suitable tactics for dosing ewes,dry hoggetts and lambs this time of year but posted it on the main farming forum by mistake....appreciate it if ye gave a look at it and chipped in with advice.

    Ewes don't need a worm dose unles they're thin, we don't have fluke here but I think fluke doses don't be given this time of the year, maybe someone else might advise on this. Fluke and worm doses don't do either very well in my view.
    Lambs probably need a dose if thye're over 5 weeks. Best practise is a white dose but any dose will do. I wouldn't give them the fluke and worm though.
    We wouldn't dose the hoggets either unless they looked like they needed a dose.
    We haven't dosed an adult ewe for worms in years, they build an immunity to worms themselves.
    Some good advice here on dosing ewes

    https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/avoid-dosing-mature-worms-at-all-costs-orla-keane-teagasc/


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    #8136
    Kevhog1988
    Registered Users Posts: 4,016 ✭✭✭Kevhog1988


    Is it ok to give ewes their second heptavac when they are up again lambing?


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    #8137
    FarmerDougal
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    Sami23 wrote: »
    Noticed a Ewe yesterday evening that appears to have gone fairly blind in both eyes with the eyes sort of clouded over.
    What could have caused this and what is the best treatment for it ?
    Thanks in advance as always

    Have one like her too, both eyes white, cleared itself


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    #8138
    Country lad
    Registered Users Posts: 214 ✭✭Country lad


    Sami23 wrote: »
    Noticed a Ewe yesterday evening that appears to have gone fairly blind in both eyes with the eyes sort of clouded over.
    What could have caused this and what is the best treatment for it ?
    Thanks in advance as always

    i say the ewe pink eye put a drop of alamycin la 300 into both eyes and also inject her and keep her separate from other sheep as its very contagious


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    #8139
    FarmerDougal
    Registered Users Posts: 359 ✭✭FarmerDougal


    Jjameson wrote: »
    It’s possible but it’s often the first sign of of listeriosis and time is of the essence. Is she twitching her head, is she eating?

    Circling in one direction and going down would be my experience of listeriosis, engemycin into vein straight away brings them round


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    #8140
    farawaygrass
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    Jjameson wrote: »
    If in doubt with fluke at all dose for it.

    If done eight weeks ago you’d imagine they’d be ok. Take a sample to the vet if it’s convenient and see, he won’t be long telling you.
    If you do that thought I’d take another sample in a month or so. Reason being I took a sample at housing and it’s showed no fluke, but knew the ewes weren’t as well as they should be a while back and took another sample a couple of weeks ago and he said they had a very high fluke count. They were housed until lambing from mid feb on so could have picked it up since but I doubt it, I think rather they had immature fluke when I took the first same.


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    #8141
    J.O. Farmer
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    farawaygrass wrote: »
    If done eight weeks ago you’d imagine they’d be ok. Take a sample to the vet if it’s convenient and see, he won’t be long telling you.
    If you do that thought I’d take another sample in a month or so. Reason being I took a sample at housing and it’s showed no fluke, but knew the ewes weren’t as well as they should be a while back and took another sample a couple of weeks ago and he said they had a very high fluke count. They were housed until lambing from mid feb on so could have picked it up since but I doubt it, I think rather they had immature fluke when I took the first same.

    It's the immature fluke does the damage. In general everyone should be dosing for fluke where sheep are out all winter unless it's an exceptional dry farm.


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    #8142
    OneMan37
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    Best thing for pet lamb scour ? Primidoxin
    and sulfur powder ? Give her Pen strip to no avail.


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    #8143
    razor8
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    OneMan37 wrote: »
    Best thing for pet lamb scour ? Primidoxin
    and sulfur powder ? Give her Pen strip to no avail.

    What age?


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    #8144
    wrangler
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    Kevhog1988 wrote: »
    Is it ok to give ewes their second heptavac when they are up again lambing?

    You probably have it done by now,
    Just handle them carefully, it should be no problem


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    #8145
    Kevhog1988
    Registered Users Posts: 4,016 ✭✭✭Kevhog1988


    wrangler wrote: »
    You probably have it done by now,
    Just handle them carefully, it should be no problem

    Didnt bother. Lambing started this morning lol.


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    #8146
    OneMan37
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    razor8 wrote: »
    What age?

    3 weeks.


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    #8147
    razor8
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    OneMan37 wrote: »
    3 weeks.

    May need a dose of bovicox, is it black brown yellow or white scour?


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    #8148
    OneMan37
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    razor8 wrote: »
    May need a dose of bovicox, is it black brown yellow or white scour?


    Vet recommended Primidoxine.


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    #8149
    richie123
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    We fatten hoggets over the winter months and sell in spring.this year we had problems with sheep continually scratching and seemed a bit stiff to walk.not excessive but there to be seen all the same.
    Thrive was affected.
    Were fed a 3 way mix of barley maize and soya hulls and mollases.
    We inject with ivomec.
    I'm thinking of sheep dipping this year.is it a good job ?
    Is it hard on sheep in smallish hoggets in cold weather?
    I'd imagine they would have to b done twice over the winter months at least ?
    Any thoughts and comments appreciated.


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    #8150
    MIKEKC
    Registered Users Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    richie123 wrote: »
    We fatten hoggets over the winter months and sell in spring.this year we had problems with sheep continually scratching and seemed a Qin bit stiff to walk.not excessive but there to be seen all the same.
    Thrive was affected.
    Were fed a 3 way mix of barley maize and soya hulls and mollases.
    We inject with ivomec.
    I'm thinking of sheep dipping this year.is it a good job ?
    Is it hard on sheep in smallish hoggets in cold weather?
    I'd imagine they would have to b done twice over the winter months at least ?
    Any thoughts and comments appreciated.

    When dipping it is most important that all sheep are dipped if it's sheep scab.Otherwise waste of time


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    #8151
    MIKEKC
    Registered Users Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭MIKEKC


    MIKEKC wrote: »
    When dipping it is most important that all sheep are dipped if it's sheep scab.Otherwise waste of time .Only dip once here never any problem


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    #8152
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,178 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    MIKEKC wrote: »
    When dipping it is most important that all sheep are dipped if it's sheep scab.Otherwise waste of time

    Yea, important to push the head underwater..... twice

    I don't think anyone dips twice over the winter inless there's bad scab


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    #8153
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    richie123 wrote: »
    We fatten hoggets over the winter months and sell in spring.this year we had problems with sheep continually scratching and seemed a bit stiff to walk.not excessive but there to be seen all the same.
    Thrive was affected.
    Were fed a 3 way mix of barley maize and soya hulls and mollases.
    We inject with ivomec.
    I'm thinking of sheep dipping this year.is it a good job ?
    Is it hard on sheep in smallish hoggets in cold weather?
    I'd imagine they would have to b done twice over the winter months at least ?
    Any thoughts and comments appreciated.

    I wouldn't dip in cold weather where there would be the risk of frost. It'll be an annoying balancing act between getting the right mild as possible day that isn't wet. Dip as early in the day as possible to give them a chance. Compared to injectables and pour on's dipping is the best option, and as Wrangler said, head under twice.


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    #8154
    richie123
    Registered Users Posts: 790 ✭✭✭richie123


    Am i better off setting up my own dipping unit or getting in someone like the o haras in carlow?(I could have name wrong there.)
    We do 1000 plus hoggets probably have to dip twice


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    #8155
    Dinzee Conlee
    Registered Users Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭Dinzee Conlee


    Do you shear the hog in the autumn Richie?

    Have done the past few years, and found it good. Didn’t this autumn and was forever finding hog caught in briars. Also found there was a few scratching which I didn’t have when they were shorn...


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    #8156
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    richie123 wrote: »
    Am i better off setting up my own dipping unit or getting in someone like the o haras in carlow?(I could have name wrong there.)
    We do 1000 plus hoggets probably have to dip twice

    I guess that depends on how reliable they'd be for coming when you need them. Your own dipping box you could use any time you want but there's the installation costs.


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    #8157
    kk.man
    Registered Users Posts: 3,561 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Found the same in hoggets this year too. I always used ivomec but they are immune to it or it's a different source which is causing the problem. My hoggets are still straching but it's not scab as wool has not come off them and no bare patches. I will dip next Sept or October going forward.


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    #8158
    richie123
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    Dinzee Conlee wrote: »
    Do you shear the hog in the autumn Richie?

    Have done the past few years, and found it good. Didn’t this autumn and was forever finding hog caught in briars. Also found there was a few scratching which I didn’t have when they were shorn...

    No but i might shear 2 or 300 if weather turns horrible like last year and finish on straw ina shed.
    Obviously u couldn't swear ina cold wet year and leave outside.
    If I shear then is it necessary to dip also 3 weeks after shearing?
    Won't start buyin till mid Sept


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    #8159
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,178 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    richie123 wrote: »
    No but i might shear 2 or 300 if weather turns horrible like last year and finish on straw ina shed.
    Obviously u couldn't swear ina cold wet year and leave outside.
    If I shear then is it necessary to dip also 3 weeks after shearing?
    Won't start buyin till mid Sept

    A lot of farmers shear in september and leave out all winter, leaves them cleaner and thrive better


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    #8160
    Dinzee Conlee
    Registered Users Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭Dinzee Conlee


    wrangler wrote: »
    A lot of farmers shear in september and leave out all winter, leaves them cleaner and thrive better

    That’s what I do...

    I would only have 100 or so - big difference between shearing 100 and shearing 1000 though...


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    #8161
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,178 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Dinzee Conlee wrote: »
    That’s what I do...

    I would only have 100 or so - big difference between shearing 100 and shearing 1000 though...

    1000 is a lot to have stuck in briars too. :rolleyes:
    We shear the ewe lambs here in august, they definitely grow better and lambs find teats easier in march


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