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    #1892
    Ard_MC
    Registered Users Posts: 516 ✭✭✭Ard_MC


    Lano Lynn wrote: »
    like me you have a few lambing seasons notched up:D....was prolapse more or less common thirty plus years ago..

    Every year i have 1 case..they all get the rd the yr it happens..but another always takes her place...luck i think more than anythin else!


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    #1893
    tom_k
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    wrangler wrote: »
    I don't know where the national average of 1.3 lambs/ewe comes from

    Tim Keady states in this 2012 presentation that the average weaning rate for lowland mature ewes in Ireland is 1.2 (page 2 under Reproductive performance).

    I suppose these figures take into account the multitudes of missed ewes. The figure seems very low to me.
    https://www.teagasc.ie/media/website/publications/2012/Breeding_from_ewe_lambs_2_flock_performance.pdf


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    #1894
    kk.man
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    I my first lambs this morning (twins)..they were fairly weak and I got them sucking. One of them never got up. It was about 6am when born.
    I had to go to work (off work from today for 2.5 weeks). Found it hard to leave them fend for themselves. When I came home both were still alive, warm etc.
    But the big fella hadn't got up. I got him to drink no problem. It's a hogget ewe.

    How did he survive ? !


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    #1895
    charolais0153
    Registered Users Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    kk.man wrote: »
    I my first lambs this morning (twins)..they were fairly weak and I got them sucking. One of them never got up. It was about 6am when born.
    I had to go to work (off work from today for 2.5 weeks). Found it hard to leave them fend for themselves. When I came home both were still alive, warm etc.
    But the big fella hadn't got up. I got him to drink no problem. It's a hogget ewe.

    How did he survive ? !

    If he got colostrum he was grand sure?were tjey inside or out


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    #1896
    kk.man
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    charolais0153 wrote: »
    kk.man wrote: »
    I my first lambs this morning (twins)..they were fairly weak and I got them sucking. One of them never got up. It was about 6am when born.
    I had to go to work (off work from today for 2.5 weeks). Found it hard to leave them fend for themselves. When I came home both were still alive, warm etc.
    But the big fella hadn't got up. I got him to drink no problem. It's a hogget ewe.

    How did he survive ? !

    If he got colostrum he was grand sure?were tjey inside or out
    Inside and I put them in a single pen but it was a good 8 hours while I was away.


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    #1897
    Siamsa Sessions
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    tom_k wrote: »
    Tim Keady states in this 2012 presentation that the average weaning rate for lowland mature ewes in Ireland is 1.2 (page 2 under Reproductive performance).

    I suppose these figures take into account the multitudes of missed ewes. The figure seems very low to me.
    https://www.teagasc.ie/media/website/publications/2012/Breeding_from_ewe_lambs_2_flock_performance.pdf

    Our numbers this year are scanned at 1.9 and had 1.5 live lambs. Lost a few in the snow but a little disappointed overall.

    Hopefully we'll sell no less than 1.4, and will improve next year.

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    #1898
    Lambman
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    Does people find a variation in gestation over different breeds off rams? Asking as I seem till be getting a lot off lambs from 1 ram and very few yet from the other both turned out same date with roughly the same amount off ewes same field different paddock. Charrlois and texel... mostly texel lambs so far.


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    #1899
    DJ98
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    Lambman wrote: »
    Does people find a variation in gestation over different breeds off rams? Asking as I seem till be getting a lot off lambs from 1 ram and very few yet from the other both turned out same date with roughly the same amount off ewes same field different paddock. Charrlois and texel... mostly texel lambs so far.
    I think someone said here recently a t charollais tend to be slightly longer than other breeds


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    #1900
    ganmo
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    DJ98 wrote: »
    I think someone said here recently a t charollais tend to be slightly longer than other breeds

    Could be just a dominant texel ram


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    #1901
    farawaygrass
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    Lambman wrote: »
    Does people find a variation in gestation over different breeds off rams? Asking as I seem till be getting a lot off lambs from 1 ram and very few yet from the other both turned out same date with roughly the same amount off ewes same field different paddock. Charrlois and texel... mostly texel lambs so far.
    We have both them rams and sheep were split up into different groups for mating. We had all charlois lambs for the first few days, texel were quite obviously slower


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    #1902
    arctictree
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    Just had a ewe lamb there and it looked like she was prolapsing so I decided to intervene. The vet had to come and took the first lamb dead from her and a live second one. I'm nearly sure the first lamb was live when I was trying. Would ye lads have interfered in this case or would she have lambed herself? The vet said that the first lamb had the head turned back.


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    #1903
    stantheman1979
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    Do you have a lambing aid. They’re meant to be handy for head turned. Did u need to interfere with her?? The worst thing you can do is go in too early!! You’re putting undue stress on the ewe and making a simple job hard for yourself. If it was me I would’ve left her a while to see if she is making progress. If not I’d whip the pair of them out to be on the safe side.


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    #1904
    wrangler
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    arctictree wrote: »
    Just had a ewe lamb there and it looked like she was prolapsing so I decided to intervene. The vet had to come and took the first lamb dead from her and a live second one. I'm nearly sure the first lamb was live when I was trying. Would ye lads have interfered in this case or would she have lambed herself? The vet said that the first lamb had the head turned back.

    She wouldn't have lambed on her own, you'd have to intervene.
    The head would have to be straightened, you should be able to lamb those without a vet.
    Had a ewe with a rotten lamb this morning, he was coming with his forehead first and no legs, she wouldn't break down properly either, she was a ewe lamb and the lamb was swollen huge, it was some job to get him out


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    #1905
    stantheman1979
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    Was she lambing or prolapsing? If you can get your hand in you should be able to get them out easy enough. A head back shouldn’t need a vet. That’s not an insult btw


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    #1906
    Runswithfeet
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    Green farmer wrote: »
    tom_k wrote: »

    Makes me wonder about the wisdom of keeping any from this line in future but maybe it's just a random occurrence.

    I Suppose the good news is all the trouble things like prolapse show up before lambing begins. It like getting the bad news out of the way first. Stick a cull tag in her and make sure she ain’t around next year. The others might be fine. If they were prone to prolapse you would have seen it in them by now. Funny I never really find much trouble from their genes. They usually die out early to have much blood left in the flock

    Only lambing 40 ewes here this year,changed to dry hoggetts for less workload....kept all young strong ewes,not starting lambing for another week.Had a two year old prolapsed today:(
    She lambert fine as a hoggett last year.Working full time so only feed nuts in evening,she’s carrying twins and they are getting about a pound and a half each once a day.Could the once a day feed have caused the Prolapse?
    Ewes in good shape so may reduce them a bit in nuts feed.


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    #1907
    stantheman1979
    Registered Users Posts: 435 ✭✭stantheman1979


    [quote=wrangler;.[/QUOTE]

    She wouldn't have lambed on her own, you'd have to intervene.
    The head would have to be straightened, you should be able to lamb those without a vet.
    Had a ewe with a rotten lamb this morning, he was coming with his forehead first and no legs, she wouldn't break down properly
    either, she was a ewe lamb and the lamb was swollen huge, it was some job to get him out[/quote]
    I’ve had two ewes with rotten lambs in them this week!! Like u said belly’s enlarged. Limbs falling off the lambs no matter how much lube I used. Didn’t end well what with me vomiting with the smell and both ewes died on me anyway!! Such is life!!


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    #1908
    Runswithfeet
    Registered Users Posts: 108 ✭✭Runswithfeet


    Runswithfeet wrote: »
    Green farmer wrote: »
    tom_k wrote: »

    Makes me wonder about the wisdom of keeping any from this line in future but maybe it's just a random occurrence.

    I Suppose the good news is all the trouble things like prolapse show up before lambing begins. It like getting the bad news out of the way first. Stick a cull tag in her and make sure she ain’t around next year. The others might be fine. If they were prone to prolapse you would have seen it in them by now. Funny I never really find much trouble from their genes. They usually die out early to have much blood left in the flock

    Only lambing 40 ewes here this year,changed to dry hoggetts for less workload....kept all young strong ewes,not starting lambing for another week.Had a two year old prolapsed today:(
    She lambed fine as a hoggett last year.Working full time so only feed nuts in evening,she’s carrying twins and they are getting about a pound and a half each once a day.Could the once a day feed have caused the Prolapse?
    Ewes in good shape so may reduce them a bit in nuts feed.

    Singles on about 3/4 pound once a day and twins on pound and a half....might reduce the twins to a pound a day.


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    #1909
    Runswithfeet
    Registered Users Posts: 108 ✭✭Runswithfeet


    stantheman1979 wrote: »
    [quote=wrangler;.

    She wouldn't have lambed on her own, you'd have to intervene.
    The head would have to be straightened, you should be able to lamb those without a vet.
    Had a ewe with a rotten lamb this morning, he was coming with his forehead first and no legs, she wouldn't break down properly
    either, she was a ewe lamb and the lamb was swollen huge, it was some job to get him out[/quote]
    I’ve had two ewes with rotten lambs in them this week!! Like u said belly’s enlarged. Limbs falling off the lambs no matter how much lube I used. Didn’t end well what with me vomiting with the smell and both ewes died on me anyway!! Such is life!![/quote]

    Tough work taking out the ones dead a while.....had to do it with a mad ewe last year who was trying her best to get away from me (outdoors)......hard enough doing it at best of times than when the bitch of a ewe is jumping around!


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    #1910
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,166 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Runswithfeet wrote: »
    Singles on about 3/4 pound once a day and twins on pound and a half....might reduce the twins to a pound a day.

    I presume that's with silage, they'd need to be getting that much meal, maybe more depending on the quality of your silage.They;re due in a week but some might be a long way off. wouldn't be great to cut the meal if they have 3 or 4 weeks to go
    Any how if that was the problem there would be more of your sheep prolapsing.
    stick a harness on her and forget about her.


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    #1911
    wrangler
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    stantheman1979 wrote: »
    She wouldn't have lambed on her own, you'd have to intervene.
    The head would have to be straightened, you should be able to lamb those without a vet.
    Had a ewe with a rotten lamb this morning, he was coming with his forehead first and no legs, she wouldn't break down properly
    either, she was a ewe lamb and the lamb was swollen huge, it was some job to get him out
    I’ve had two ewes with rotten lambs in them this week!! Like u said belly’s enlarged. Limbs falling off the lambs no matter how much lube I used. Didn’t end well what with me vomiting with the smell and both ewes died on me anyway!! Such is life!![/QUOTE]

    Yea, and the smell stays on you for a good while too whatever it is about it,
    years ago I spent a couple of hours pulling a rotten calf, vet set it up to pull the head only which I thought was strange, but he said we'd only pull the legs off and you wouldn't break the neck, often done it since even with rotten lambs.
    I'd get the smell every time I'd shower for days after.
    The ewe from this morning is up and eating, so some try to live


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    #1912
    Runswithfeet
    Registered Users Posts: 108 ✭✭Runswithfeet


    wrangler wrote: »
    Runswithfeet wrote: »
    Singles on about 3/4 pound once a day and twins on pound and a half....might reduce the twins to a pound a day.

    I presume that's with silage, they'd need to be getting that much meal, maybe more depending on the quality of your silage.They;re due in a week but some might be a long way off. wouldn't be great to cut the meal if they have 3 or 4 weeks to go
    Any how if that was the problem there would be more of your sheep prolapsing.
    stick a harness on her and forget about her.
    They are outside on fresh picking.


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    #1913
    stantheman1979
    Registered Users Posts: 435 ✭✭stantheman1979


    I’d be upping the meal not reducing it his close. It will be the sorriest mistake you’ll make believe me. I did it myself. Twins want 2 lbs and singles a pound no matter how much grass they have. A lot of lads myself included have been deceived by the condition of ewes close to lambing.


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    #1914
    charolais0153
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    stantheman1979 wrote: »
    I’d be upping the meal not reducing it his close. It will be the sorriest mistake you’ll make believe me. I did it myself. Twins want 2 lbs and singles a pound no matter how much grass they have. A lot of lads myself included have been deceived by the condition of ewes close to lambing.

    Gave .6 kg/day to couples last 2 weeks but reduced it to .5kg for later ones as lambs were coming too big.


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    #1915
    stantheman1979
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    Fair enough. You must’ve very good silage.


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    #1916
    wrangler
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    stantheman1979 wrote: »
    Fair enough. You must’ve very good silage.

    Unless you have 100kg ewes, I don't think they're able to eat enough silage when they have two lambs taking up room in them. Like you I'd rather be increasing, my opinion is you can't overfeed a double and we use Texel here.
    If you're in the habit of buying Hard lambing suffolk rams it might be different.
    Then there's the question are they getting enough protein, there's only 90gms of protein in .5kg ration and they require 200gms/day.
    As I've said before you need to get your ducks in a row for lambing


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    #1917
    arctictree
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    Just put all my lambs in because of the weather forecast. It's now mayhem in the shed but better than being outside I suppose. I don't know how they all find their mothers in the squeeze but I suppose they just get on with it. Also found a lamb left outside that was half comatose and managed to revive it.


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    #1918
    The man in red and black
    Registered Users Posts: 666 ✭✭✭The man in red and black


    wrangler wrote: »

    Yea, and the smell stays on you for a good while too whatever it is about it,
    years ago I spent a couple of hours pulling a rotten calf, vet set it up to pull the head only which I thought was strange, but he said we'd only pull the legs off and you wouldn't break the neck, often done it since even with rotten lambs.
    I'd get the smell every time I'd shower for days after.
    The ewe from this morning is up and eating, so some try to live

    If they are rotten enough even the head pulls off even on a calf. Horrible job but very rewarding if it saves the cow/ewe


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    #1919
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,166 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Posts and quotes all mixed up it seems, it's not important anyway, how does that happen
    Just ignore my previous two or three posts


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    #1920
    charolais0153
    Registered Users Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    wrangler wrote: »
    Unless you have 100kg ewes, I don't think they're able to eat enough silage when they have two lambs taking up room in them. Like you I'd rather be increasing, my opinion is you can't overfeed a double and we use Texel here.
    If you're in the habit of buying Hard lambing suffolk rams it might be different.
    Then there's the question are they getting enough protein, there's only 90gms of protein in .5kg ration and they require 200gms/day.
    As I've said before you need to get your ducks in a row for lambing

    Protein in silage too...


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    #1921
    The man in red and black
    Registered Users Posts: 666 ✭✭✭The man in red and black


    wrangler wrote: »
    Posts and quotes all mixed up it seems, it's not important anyway, how does that happen
    Just ignore my previous two or three posts

    How does the head pull off? If a calf is rotten enough and the legs have come off/been removed with wire to make chest narrower and only left to pull with head. Not a nice one.


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