The Thistlecrack/Gold Cup thread.

antietam

Gregk961 wrote: »

Welcome back sting!

iM NOT sting but he ia .genius beyond belief.

Steve

antietam wrote: »

Fistty you are a idiot.Prove me wrong based on fact.

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Shemale

antietam wrote: »

Fistty you are a idiot.Prove me wrong based on fact.

Did your mam tell you my nickname?

Based on fact he got 154 for the novice race

antietam

Melon is a non stayer and cannot win a grade 1 on a hill.Thistlecrack is seriosly ovrrated by at least 10lbs.Really impressed by a 14/1 Henderson horse.

diomed

I have been too patient.
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diomed

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handsfree2

antietam wrote: »

Melon is a non stayer and cannot win a grade 1 on a hill.Thistlecrack is seriosly ovrrated by at least 10lbs.Really impressed by a 14/1 Henderson horse.

Melon tanked through the international. It was hard to see him winning after pulling so hard in the race.

I think it's important to remember that the international is on the new course, so it takes a bit more staying. As far as I know there was only 1 hurdle in the last mile.

I'd be prepared to give him another go for the champions hurdle, if he's sent there. The quicker pace of the race could settle him. His slick hurdling could put him in the mix.

Gringo180

antietam wrote: »

Melon is a non stayer and cannot win a grade 1 on a hill.Thistlecrack is seriosly ovrrated by at least 10lbs.Really impressed by a 14/1 Henderson horse.

Not a non stayer he just isnt as good as hes cracked up to be. 100% stayed the trip in the Supreme.

antietam

Gringo180 wrote: »

Not a non stayer he just isnt as good as hes cracked up to be. 100% stayed the trip in the Supreme.

Agree with first part then it was complete rubbish.He did not stay the Supreme but thats your opinion and fair play if proved right.He is not bred to stay and I totally disagree with most if not all hacks on this.

Conas

Well what can I say, a very disappointing King George.

Mite Bite was good, but only beat a 50-1 shot by a length. Not belittling his performance, but I think Sizing John would have beat him today.

Thistlecrack was very poor again. They said after the last one it was just his fitness, but to me there's been no improvement in this fitness at all.

It's shaping up to be a very open gold cup so far. It'll be interesting to see how Sizing John, and Yorkhill go, but I think their better horses that what we saw at Kempton today.

Shemale

Conas wrote: »

Mite Bite was good, but only beat a 50-1 shot by a length. Not belittling his performance, but I think Sizing John would have beat him today.

I don't agree with this, I think he switched off, as he does when the race was put to bed.

He put in a gigantic leap at the last, definitely wasn't the jump of a tired horse, the horse is a mentalist just look at his RSA he lost interest and only just came up at the last and then decided to do some sightseeing. The way he finished off the RSA when Nico got him going was incredible he demolished the hill when he had someone to race.

Cant have Thistlecrack anymore, real shame.

antietam

That is the end of the hype here for Thistlecrack and the serious uneducated folk.The Gold cup is a one horse race bar accident from now till March but has the JOB effect worn off which is a massive concern considering everything.

Chesty08

Conas wrote: »

Well what can I say, a very disappointing King George.

Mite Bite was good, but only beat a 50-1 shot by a length. Not belittling his performance, but I think Sizing John would have beat him today.

Thistlecrack was very poor again. They said after the last one it was just his fitness, but to me there's been no improvement in this fitness at all.

It's shaping up to be a very open gold cup so far. It'll be interesting to see how Sizing John, and Yorkhill go, but I think their better horses that what we saw at Kempton today.

It is anything but a very open gold cup

HarshOstrich

I taught thistlectack improved a good bit on his reappearance as he didn’t really weaken today, he just couldn’t quicken, he actually saw his race out quite well.
If he improved the same amount come March, I think he could be placed in gold cup.

antietam

Shemale wrote: »

I don't agree with this, I think he switched off, as he does when the race was put to bed.

He put in a gigantic leap at the last, definitely wasn't the jump of a tired horse, the horse is a mentalist just look at his RSA he lost interest and only just came up at the last and then decided to do some sightseeing. The way he finished off the RSA when Nico got him going was incredible he demolished the hill when he had someone to race.

Cant have Thistlecrack anymore, real shame.

Absolutely agree,but.

antietam

Shemale wrote: »

I don't agree with this, I think he switched off, as he does when the race was put to bed.

He put in a gigantic leap at the last, definitely wasn't the jump of a tired horse, the horse is a mentalist just look at his RSA he lost interest and only just came up at the last and then decided to do some sightseeing. The way he finished off the RSA when Nico got him going was incredible he demolished the hill when he had someone to race.

Cant have Thistlecrack anymore, real shame.

Absolutely agree,but.Might Bite ran very correct in running and jumping suited to flat tracks but that training technique is obsolete at Cheltenham due to the natue of the track.

Gringo180

Shemale wrote: »

I don't agree with this, I think he switched off, as he does when the race was put to bed.

He put in a gigantic leap at the last, definitely wasn't the jump of a tired horse, the horse is a mentalist just look at his RSA he lost interest and only just came up at the last and then decided to do some sightseeing. The way he finished off the RSA when Nico got him going was incredible he demolished the hill when he had someone to race.

Cant have Thistlecrack anymore, real shame.

Horse is massively talented bit also very over rated. All out to beat Double Shuffle and T4Two isnt Gold cup winning form and hes not a horse that just does enough sure he was half the track in front before falling at the final fence last year

Fanny Wank

Another way of looking at it (though I've only watched the race once and haven't seen the time/sectionals)

Might Bite & Bristol looked to be going very quickly upfront. Possibly a case that they burned the other good horses off leaving the rags to pick up the pieces? Kauto did similar in 2009, looked almost 2 mile pace for a long way. Some top class horses had broken after less than 2 miles. Madison Du Berlais stayed on for second after looking like he'd be pulled up at one stage

dk6dk6

antietam wrote: »

That is the end of the hype here for Thistlecrack and the serious uneducated folk.The Gold cup is a one horse race bar accident from now till March but has the JOB effect worn off which is a massive concern considering everything.

The Gold Cup is a one horse race???????

dk6dk6

Think a lot of people are forgetting about Yorkhill, serious GC contender imo

Shemale

Gringo180 wrote: »

Horse is massively talented bit also very over rated. All out to beat Double Shuffle and T4Two isnt Gold cup winning form and hes not a horse that just does enough sure he was half the track in front before falling at the final fence last year

He wasn't all out though, he switched off completely, he jumped the last better than any other fence in the race, probably too well. He just completely switches off when the race is won, sure he stopped to a trot and went to say hello to the spectators in the RSA before getting refocused and eating the hill.

He was half the track infront in the novice last year that is why NDB slowed him right up into the last in the King George.

handsfree2

dk6dk6 wrote: »

Think a lot of people are forgetting about Yorkhill, serious GC contender imo

Dodgy jumping, and unproven at the trip. He's definitely living on his reputation. Sizing John is a big price IMO

posturingpat

dk6dk6 wrote: »

Think a lot of people are forgetting about Yorkhill, serious GC contender imo

Hope they see sense after tomorrow and send him back in trip.

posturingpat

handsfree2 wrote: »

Dodgy jumping, and unproven at the trip. He's definitely living on his reputation. Sizing John is a big price IMO

It's a bonkers price for him tomorrow, i'm strongly considering place laying him, the slower they go the worse his jumping seems to be so 3 mile won't help. Could see him on the deck(hopefully not).

antietam

There is no doubt Yorkhills raw talent but he comes with serious caution.His run at Fairyhouse was a shocker due to jumping violently left and trying to refuse at the last.The form of Harringtons stable is poor but not surprising that leaves Road To Respect 14/1 as likely winner with Outlander following him home in second.

dk6dk6

posturingpat wrote: »

Hope they see sense after tomorrow and send him back in trip.

We'll know a lot more this time tomorrow, I could be very well badly wrong but I honestly see a GC horse in Yorkhill.

Panrich

Valseur Lido is being overlooked here. Stable in great form and has the ability to win this.
Negatives are his record around Leopardstown and the year off but that’s built in to his price of 16/1.
He went off 3/1 last year.

Slattsy

Panrich wrote: »

Valseur Lido is being overlooked here. Stable in great form and has the ability to win this.
Negatives are his record around Leopardstown and the year off but that’s built in to his price of 16/1.
He went off 3/1 last year.

Better race than last year by a long way. But I like your angle all the same.

BumperD

Would prefer carlingford Lough at 40/1 for a place

dk6dk6

So instead of the GC being a one horse race it looks one of the most open in a long time.

dk6dk6

posturingpat wrote: »

It's a bonkers price for him tomorrow, i'm strongly considering place laying him, the slower they go the worse his jumping seems to be so 3 mile won't help. Could see him on the deck(hopefully not).

You where spot on pal.

handsfree2

handsfree2 wrote: »

Dodgy jumping, and unproven at the trip. He's definitely living on his reputation. Sizing John is a big price IMO

Fair play to those who backed road to respect.

I didn't see the race, what happened to SJ? Any excuses from the trainer?

BumperD

antietam wrote: »

There is no doubt Yorkhills raw talent but he comes with serious caution.His run at Fairyhouse was a shocker due to jumping violently left and trying to refuse at the last.The form of Harringtons stable is poor but not surprising that leaves Road To Respect 14/1 as likely winner with Outlander following him home in second.

Good shout Antietam!

dk6dk6

antietam wrote: »

There is no doubt Yorkhills raw talent but he comes with serious caution.His run at Fairyhouse was a shocker due to jumping violently left and trying to refuse at the last.The form of Harringtons stable is poor but not surprising that leaves Road To Respect 14/1 as likely winner with Outlander following him home in second.

Great shout

Panrich

handsfree2 wrote: »

Fair play to those who backed road to respect.

I didn't see the race, what happened to SJ? Any excuses from the trainer?

Dismounted at the finish. Was clinically abnormal afterwards

Slattsy

antietam wrote: »

There is no doubt Yorkhills raw talent but he comes with serious caution.His run at Fairyhouse was a shocker due to jumping violently left and trying to refuse at the last.The form of Harringtons stable is poor but not surprising that leaves Road To Respect 14/1 as likely winner with Outlander following him home in second.

The best in the business!

Great to see people sting the bookies and I hope you had 60 on.

Conas

Shemale wrote: »

I don't agree with this, I think he switched off, as he does when the race was put to bed.

He put in a gigantic leap at the last, definitely wasn't the jump of a tired horse, the horse is a mentalist just look at his RSA he lost interest and only just came up at the last and then decided to do some sightseeing. The way he finished off the RSA when Nico got him going was incredible he demolished the hill when he had someone to race.

Cant have Thistlecrack anymore, real shame.

To be fair he got up and beat Whisper by a nose in the RSA, and lets just say Whisper is a mediocre animal as he proved yesterday. He'd never get away with sightseeing against the top 3 mile chasers out there.

Thistlecrack will struggle at Cheltenham, because when he lost to Many Clouds in January, I said he hasn't a hope of going up the hill, and I still think it will happen again, he'll empty.

Mite Bite is rightfully favourite for the Gold Cup, but it was same scenario with Thistlecrack last year, and that didn't pan out quiet as people expected.

abarkie

Conas wrote: »

To be fair he got up and beat Whisper by a nose in the RSA, and lets just say Whisper is a mediocre animal as he proved yesterday. He'd never get away with sightseeing against the top 3 mile chasers out there.

Thistlecrack will struggle at Cheltenham, because when he lost to Many Clouds in January, I said he hasn't a hope of going up the hill, and I still think it will happen again, he'll empty.

Mite Bite is rightfully favourite for the Gold Cup, but it was same scenario with Thistlecrack last year, and that didn't pan out quiet as people expected.

We are talking about the same Whisper who gave a stone away to the winner of the Hennessy / Ladbrokes trophy at Newbury aren't we?

WickIow Brave

Pity about Yorkhill today. The Champion Chase has be his race now and he will gag up.

Also, where the hell is Bellshill? 66/1 for the Gold Cup.

danganabu

Conas wrote: »

To be fair he got up and beat Whisper by a nose in the RSA, and lets just say Whisper is a mediocre animal as he proved yesterday. He'd never get away with sightseeing against the top 3 mile chasers out there.

Thistlecrack will struggle at Cheltenham, because when he lost to Many Clouds in January, I said he hasn't a hope of going up the hill, and I still think it will happen again, he'll empty.

Mite Bite is rightfully favourite for the Gold Cup, but it was same scenario with Thistlecrack last year, and that didn't pan out quiet as people expected.

thank you for brightening up my evening on what was a terrible day for the game.

WickIow Brave

Watching back the Lexus and I don't think that was Yorkhill's true running at all. I don't think he would have won over any trip today. Strange.

Shemale

Conas wrote: »

To be fair he got up and beat Whisper by a nose in the RSA, and lets just say Whisper is a mediocre animal as he proved yesterday. He'd never get away with sightseeing against the top 3 mile chasers out there.

So 169 rated Whisper is mediocre, Might Bite surrendered about 15L, stopped to a standstill, got going and in the last 100 yards he chewed the hill and won the race. Even with this he had Alpha Des Obeaux 18L back, who was beaten 16L in the Lexus today.

Who beats Mite Bite other than Might Bite, there is tons of juice for me at 7/2 for sightseeing and I wouldn't fear anyone, if MB gets distracted and the others catch up he will pick up and get up the hill better than the rest of them.

kfallon

WickIow Brave wrote: »

Watching back the Lexus and I don't think that was Yorkhill's true running at all. I don't think he would have won over any trip today. Strange.

I had a feeling he'd be too keen today. What I found strange was that, although he was held up originally, when the head on camera angle was used he was actually on the inner away from the rest of the field and off he took and went right up everyone's inside and found himself in front after 2 fences.

I'd have thought Townend would have tried to bury him in behind horses to try get him switched off. It almost looked like the rest of the field wanted to stay away from him so he could beat himself with his antics. And that was what happened. Having said that I thought he jumped very well today.

WickIow Brave

Shemale wrote: »

So 169 rated Whisper is mediocre, Might Bite surrendered about 15L, stopped to a standstill, got going and in the last 100 yards he chewed the hill and won the race. Even with this he had Alpha Des Obeaux 18L back, who was beaten 16L in the Lexus today.

Who beats Mite Bite other than Might Bite, there is tons of juice for me at 7/2 for sightseeing and I wouldn't fear anyone, if MB gets distracted and the others catch up he will pick up and get up the hill better than the rest of them.

Totally agree. Hopefully Sizing John can bounce back and we'll get a very good price on Might Bite I reckon. He's on a different level to everything else.

antietam

Slattsy wrote: »

The best in the business!

Great to see people sting the bookies and I hope you had 60 on.

I hate Liverpool but Slattsy I love u kid.Maybe my assessment of horses equates to personalities.

Shemale

WickIow Brave wrote: »

Totally agree. Hopefully Sizing John can bounce back and we'll get a very good price on Might Bite I reckon. He's on a different level to everything else.

I'd worry about Sizing John after today, didn't look right at all and the weirdly worded update.

7/2 is plenty big enough for me on MB.

WickIow Brave

kfallon wrote: »

I had a feeling he'd be too keen today. What I found strange was that, although he was held up originally, when the head on camera angle was used he was actually on the inner away from the rest of the field and off he took and went right up everyone's inside and found himself in front after 2 fences.

I'd have thought Townend would have tried to bury him in behind horses to try get him switched off. It almost looked like the rest of the field wanted to stay away from him so he could beat himself with his antics. And that was what happened. Having said that I thought he jumped very well today.

Yeah spot on. I thought he folded very quickly today. You only have to look at his run at Fairyhouse where he lost so much ground and still came to the last on the bridle and when he regained concentration after the last he was able to chase down Road To Respect albeit the line came too late. I thought he'd at least come to the last on the bridle today and then we'd see if he stayed. He wouldn't even have stayed in the Ryanair on today's showing. And he was so weak in the market.

NaiveMelodies

Gutted to see SJ struggle today. Really felt he could dominate for the next couple of years.

Chesty08

Have loved Might Bite along time now and really want him to go on and win the Gold Cup (which I think he will).

If Sizing John doesn't get right then he won't be a danger.

The biggest danger is CONEY ISLAND

WickIow Brave

Biggest danger might be Blaklion.