Facebook Live stream the torture of mentally disabled teenager

RobertKK

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/04/us/chicago-facebook-live-beating/

The disturbing 30-minute video shows a man tied up and his mouth covered, cowering in the corner of a room. His attackers laugh and shout "f*ck Donald Trump" and "f*ck white people" as they kick and punch him.
The video shows someone cutting into his scalp with a knife, leaving a visibly bald patch.
Police said the victim is an 18-year-old with special needs. Officers found the disoriented young man wandering a Chicago street "in crisis" Tuesday afternoon.
He was so traumatized that it took most of the night for him to calm down so he was able to talk to police, Capt. Steven Sesso said.

Facebook Live streamed the torture of an 18 year old mentally disabled teenager.
2 men and 2 women are in custody over the incident. One of the people in custody is said to be a 'friend' of the victim.

The victim was reported to be missing but managed to escape his attackers.

Facebook who takes down videos of women breastfeeding because it is apparently offensive, had something that was truly offensive live streamed to the world.
It is being treated as a racist hate crime by the 4 African Americans whose victim is white.

Racism in all forms is disgusting.

youre attributing an active and conscious role to facebook in this, which is frankly ludicrous

CaptainInsano

It would only come to Facebooks attention if reported. What an awful act, thankfully the morons did actually stream it so as it may be used as evidence against them.

RobertKK

Deleted User wrote: »

youre attributing an active and conscious role to facebook in this, which is frankly ludicrous

It happened on Facebook, they took down the video.

I am not blaming Facebook for the incident, but their service was used to broadcast the torture.

My name is URL

RobertKK wrote: »

It happened on Facebook, they took down the video.

I am not blaming Facebook for the incident, but their service was used to broadcast the torture.

So companies should be punished when bad people use their services?

CaptainInsano

RobertKK wrote: »

It happened on Facebook, they took down the video.

I am not blaming Facebook for the incident, but their service was used to broadcast the torture.

When you draw parallels between this and their stance on breastfeeding you imply they are being hypocritical? But they took the video down also as you say ?

Noveight

Their idiocy to livestream the whole thing is only surpassed by the vileness of their actions. Poor lad must have been scared shítless.

RobertKK

My name is URL wrote: »

So companies should be punished when bad people use their services?

Did I say anything about punishing any company?

Some seem more concerned that I post about how the video was broadcast than the actual victim.

RobertKK

Noveight wrote: »

Their idiocy to livestream the whole thing is only surpassed by the vileness of their actions. Poor lad must have been scared shítless.

He was also made drink from the toilet.
So sickening what was done to the victim.

It is believed there were other videos made as well.

My name is URL

RobertKK wrote: »

Did I say anything about punishing any company?

Some seem more concerned that I post about how the video was broadcast than the actual victim.

Your title implies that they are responsible for what happened.

What's the point of this thread, exactly?

Homer

As a result of the video evidence those four scrotes have been charged with hate crimes. How they could do that to a mentally disabled kid I hope they die roaring :mad:

RobertKK

My name is URL wrote: »

Your title implies that they are responsible for what happened.

And you mention Facebook more times than the victim in your post.

What's the point of this thread, exactly?

I posted a link and a quote which was far more content about what happened, you seem more concerned about wanting an argument.

My name is URL

RobertKK wrote: »

I posted a link and a quote which was far more content about what happened, you seem more concerned about wanting an argument.

An argument about what?

Evil people recorded an instance of them being evil.

You made the point that Facebook remove breastfeeding videos in your OP. How is that relevant if you're not somehow implicating them, or trying to make a point?

Jimmy Garlic

Each of the vile pieces of filth involved in that crime will be looking at about 20 years behind bars

Del2005

RobertKK wrote: »

It happened on Facebook, they took down the video.

I am not blaming Facebook for the incident, but their service was used to broadcast the torture.

If it wasn't broadcast on FB then there would have been no proof of the crime. You could argue that if it wasn't for FB live streaming this then the attackers could have got off.

Which would be worse being tortured and the assailants getting off or being tortured and the assailants incriminate themselves?

RobertKK

My name is URL wrote: »

An argument about what?

Evil people recorded an instance of them being evil.

You made the point that Facebook remove breastfeeding videos in your OP. How is that relevant if you're not somehow implicating them, or trying to make a point?

Breastfeeding is treated the same as torture - something very offensive, when breastfeeding is natural and good unlike torture - videos of breastfeeding are treated the same as torture - taken down.
Just think Facebook should have their priorities right when it comes to what is truly offensive to be take down and I think it is good that Facebook could help catch real offenders in society and who are now in custody.

I just think you have been argumentative, making mountains out of molehills.

RobertKK

Del2005 wrote: »

If it wasn't broadcast on FB then there would have been no proof of the crime. You could argue that if it wasn't for FB live streaming this then the attackers could have got off.

Which would be worse being tortured and the assailants getting off or being tortured and the assailants incriminate themselves?

I am not blaming Facebook for any of what happened the teenager.

btw I agree with you.

RobertKK

RobertKK wrote: »

Breastfeeding is treated the same as torture - something very offensive, when breastfeeding is natural and good unlike torture - videos of breastfeeding are treated the same as torture - taken down.
Just think Facebook should have their priorities right when it comes to what is truly offensive to be take down and I think it is good that Facebook could help catch real offenders in society and who are now in custody.

I just think you have been argumentative, making mountains out of molehills.

your thread should be therefore titled 'facebook take down video of torture, in much the same way as they have previously done for videos of breastfeeding, i dont see that the two are comparable. myself tbh'

admittedly unwieldy but at least then the opportunity for people to get confused wouldnt arise

RobertKK

Deleted User wrote: »

your thread should be therefore titled 'facebook take down video of torture, in much the same way as they have previously done for videos of breastfeeding, i dont see that the two are comparable. myself tbh'

admittedly unwieldy but at least then the opportunity for people to get confused wouldnt arise

It was streamed on Facebook Live.

The title is accurate.

lertsnim

Only white men can be racist I am told.

Advbrd

lertsnim wrote: »

Only white men can be racist I am told.

I was waiting for that. Well done...not.

RobertKK

RobertKK wrote: »

It was streamed on Facebook Live.

The title is accurate.

"Samsung Galaxy S5 used to stream the torture of mentally disabled teenager"


See how utterly stupid that sounds, even if it were accurate?

Del2005

RobertKK wrote: »

It was streamed on Facebook Live.

The title is accurate.

I'm sure that plenty of women have streamed their breastfeeding live and only had it taken down afterwards.

FB can only respond to complaints and as with all big companies they take time to be processed. It's the people that are the problem not the software. Do you also blame FB for the person who live streamed themselves DUI and causing a fatality?

andekwarhola

Actually I'm happy enough Facebook facilitated it.

It seems there's no end to people that are not only thick enough to commit vile crimes but also willingly implicate themselves for affirmation. A decade ago, they would have been little or no witness to this.

Dohnjoe

RobertKK wrote: »

Breastfeeding is treated the same as torture - something very offensive, when breastfeeding is natural and good unlike torture - videos of breastfeeding are treated the same as torture - taken down.
Just think Facebook should have their priorities right when it comes to what is truly offensive to be take down and I think it is good that Facebook could help catch real offenders in society and who are now in custody.

I just think you have been argumentative, making mountains out of molehills.

If Facebook did nothing wrong, then why include this comment in the original post?

The incident in question was posted to a live-streaming service, it was taken down shortly after by that service and subsequently used as evidence

If you want to use the incident to "have a go" at Facebook, then don't play innocent about people calling you out on it

osarusan

andekwarhola wrote: »

Actually I'm happy enough Facebook facilitated it.

It seems there's no end to people that are not only thick enough to commit vile crimes but also willingly implicate themselves for affirmation. A decade ago, they would have been little or no witness to this.

My thoughts too.

Pointless sniping at Facebook aside, the proliferation of social media and camera phones means there is a much greater chance that these scumbags will provide accessible evidence of their own crimes.

dinorebel

RobertKK wrote: »

Breastfeeding .........................................................................................................................., making mountains out of molehills.

Are you saying she has small boobs?

mad muffin

They look inbread to me…

SEPT 23 1989

Animals should be dragged through the streets of Chicago and strung up out of lampposts

RobertKK

Deleted User wrote: »

"Samsung Galaxy S5 used to stream the torture of mentally disabled teenager"


See how utterly stupid that sounds, even if it were accurate?

Yes as it doesn't say what streaming service was used.

The video is already being called the 'Facebook torture video'.

Facebook is also being asked why it took so long for the video to be removed from their site.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jan/05/facebook-live-video-chicago-attack-explanation

A Little Pony

No surprise to me, the anti Trump agenda leads to this vile criminal act. When people see Trump supporters as non human, vile rats, it leads to actions like this.

mynamejeff

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Animals should be dragged through the streets of Chicago and strung up out of lampposts

more likely to be protests held for their release and acquittal on the grounds of racial provocation at the hands of the white man

we all know that had it been 4 white people doing that to a black man there would be riots and street protests etc etc etc

in reality scum is scum regardless of the shade but the parallels i mention are a demonstration of how media led an fcuked up america has become

President Barack Obama said, "What we have seen as surfacing, I think, are a lot of problems that have been there a long time... Whether it's tensions between police and communities, (or) hate crimes of the despicable sort that has just now recently surfaced on Facebook."

Harley a ringing condemnation is it ?

RobertKK

mynamejeff wrote: »

more likely to be protests held for their release and acquittal on the grounds of racial provocation at the hands of the white man

we all know that had it been 4 white people doing that to a black man there would be riots and street protests etc etc etc

in reality scum is scum regardless of the shade but the parallels i mention are a demonstration of how media led an fcuked up america has become

President Barack Obama said, "What we have seen as surfacing, I think, are a lot of problems that have been there a long time... Whether it's tensions between police and communities, (or) hate crimes of the despicable sort that has just now recently surfaced on Facebook."

Harley a ringing condemnation is it ?

Does Obama think there are hate crimes that are not despicable?

SEPT 23 1989

mynamejeff wrote: »

President Barack Obama said, "What we have seen as surfacing, I think, are a lot of problems that have been there a long time... Whether it's tensions between police and communities, (or) hate crimes of the despicable sort that has just now recently surfaced on Facebook."

Harley a ringing condemnation is it ?

pathetic responce as usual and they wonder why Trump will be president

Special Circumstances

This doesn't seem to generating the same hype on here at all as the "suicide by cop" videos?

Why I wonder?

Mentally disabled white lives don't matter?

A Little Pony

Trump is President because of Obama. If it wasn't for Obama, Trump wouldn't have come about.

Sonics2k

Special Circumstances wrote: »

This doesn't seem to generating the same hype on here at all as the "suicide by cop" videos?

Why I wonder?

Mentally disabled white lives don't matter?

What are you talking about? It's all over the news.

Edit: Because you clearly have an agenda here.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38525549
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-facebook-live-racist-attack-disabled-teenager-black-white-people-chicago-police-a7510381.html
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38524551
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/torture-attack-illinois-teen-not-racially-motivated-cops-article-1.2935818
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/01/05/4-in-custody-after-group-beats-disabled-man-on-facebook-live-while-shouting-anti-trump-profanities-chicago-police-say/?utm_term=.9c0108db1809
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/charges-expected-chicago-beating-broadcast-facebook-44568662

mynamejeff

Sonics2k wrote: »

What are you talking about? It's all over the news.

Edit: Because you clearly have an agenda here.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38525549
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-facebook-live-racist-attack-disabled-teenager-black-white-people-chicago-police-a7510381.html
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38524551
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/torture-attack-illinois-teen-not-racially-motivated-cops-article-1.2935818
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/01/05/4-in-custody-after-group-beats-disabled-man-on-facebook-live-while-shouting-anti-trump-profanities-chicago-police-say/?utm_term=.9c0108db1809
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/charges-expected-chicago-beating-broadcast-facebook-44568662

is there looting ?
mass protests ?
chanting about dead cops an killing white people ?
celebrity condemnation ?
any one form a organisation and print tshirts for the cause ?
is some one going to kill some completely unrelated people to express thier anger some cops maybe ?

A Little Pony

mynamejeff wrote: »

Sonics2k wrote: »

What are you talking about? It's all over the news.

Edit: Because you clearly have an agenda here.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38525549
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-facebook-live-racist-attack-disabled-teenager-black-white-people-chicago-police-a7510381.html
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38524551
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/torture-attack-illinois-teen-not-racially-motivated-cops-article-1.2935818
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/01/05/4-in-custody-after-group-beats-disabled-man-on-facebook-live-while-shouting-anti-trump-profanities-chicago-police-say/?utm_term=.9c0108db1809
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/charges-expected-chicago-beating-broadcast-facebook-44568662

is there looting ?
mass protests ?
chanting about dead cops an killing white people ?
celebrity condemnation ?
any one form a organisation and print tshirts for the cause ?
is some one going to kill some completely unrelated people to express thier anger some cops maybe ?

BLM is a money making scam for someone. Think of the merchandise of all the deluded morons signing up to it.

biko

I just looted the fridge if that counts?

Special Circumstances

Sonics2k wrote: »

What are you talking about? It's all over the news.

Edit: Because you clearly have an agenda here.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38525549
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-facebook-live-racist-attack-disabled-teenager-black-white-people-chicago-police-a7510381.html
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38524551
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/torture-attack-illinois-teen-not-racially-motivated-cops-article-1.2935818
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/01/05/4-in-custody-after-group-beats-disabled-man-on-facebook-live-while-shouting-anti-trump-profanities-chicago-police-say/?utm_term=.9c0108db1809
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/charges-expected-chicago-beating-broadcast-facebook-44568662

Excuse me! I was up ALL NIGHT wondering how I would explain the kind of world where this could happen to my 3 year old. What sort of bigotry and hatred would drive a carbon based lifeform of in any state of gender and racial and ability fluidity to do this to another.

In the end I had to pen a brave letter and split it across loads of tweets. No the child can't read yet but that isn't the point - I wouldn't have bothered with all the virtue signalling if I had known in advance that Obama was going to be so wishy washy on it.

So don't talk to me about your alt-right media, alright?

Special Circumstances

Lets face it, the above post isn't too much of a stretch if roles had been reversed in this situation.
Dramatic licence invoked for the sake of proving a point, rather than having a cheap laugh.

lertsnim

Advbrd wrote: »

I was waiting for that. Well done...not.

If you spend your time waiting for such things that says a lot about your life. Find a hobby.

My comment was based on actual responses I saw on social media about the story.

MightyMandarin

A Little Pony wrote: »

No surprise to me, the anti Trump agenda leads to this vile criminal act. When people see Trump supporters as non human, vile rats, it leads to actions like this.

Maybe this has nothing to do with Trump at all. It's become a common insult in black communities to refer to whites as 'Trump supporters' recently, and tbh I doubt a kid with special needs would have many political motivations to shout about.

It was a disgusting attack and even though I think the kids should be charged with a hate crime given they shouted '**** white people', Trump supporters have leapt onto this as an example for their 'oppression'. Unfortunately this incident is perfectly timed to be a complete distraction from the destruction the GOP is causing to America at the moment.

FatherTed

RobertKK wrote: »

Yes as it doesn't say what streaming service was used.

The video is already being called the 'Facebook torture video'.

Facebook is also being asked why it took so long for the video to be removed from their site.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jan/05/facebook-live-video-chicago-attack-explanation

So let me get this straight... you are mad at Facebook for allowing it to be broadcast? If so, why?

Grayson

Sonics2k wrote: »

What are you talking about? It's all over the news.

Edit: Because you clearly have an agenda here.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38525549
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-facebook-live-racist-attack-disabled-teenager-black-white-people-chicago-police-a7510381.html
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38524551
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/torture-attack-illinois-teen-not-racially-motivated-cops-article-1.2935818
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/01/05/4-in-custody-after-group-beats-disabled-man-on-facebook-live-while-shouting-anti-trump-profanities-chicago-police-say/?utm_term=.9c0108db1809
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/charges-expected-chicago-beating-broadcast-facebook-44568662

It's still on the front page of the guardian website. It was the top story on it for a while yesterday.

circadian

A Little Pony wrote: »

Trump is President because of Obama. If it wasn't for Obama, Trump wouldn't have come about.

Makes no sense whatsoever.

A Little Pony

MightyMandarin wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

No surprise to me, the anti Trump agenda leads to this vile criminal act. When people see Trump supporters as non human, vile rats, it leads to actions like this.

Maybe this has nothing to do with Trump at all. It's become a common insult in black communities to refer to whites as 'Trump supporters' recently, and tbh I doubt a kid with special needs would have many political motivations to shout about.

It was a disgusting attack and even though I think the kids should be charged with a hate crime given they shouted '**** white people', Trump supporters have leapt onto this as an example for their 'oppression'. Unfortunately this incident is perfectly timed to be a complete distraction from the destruction the GOP is causing to America at the moment.

If you are telling everyone the white man is the devil, this is what happens.

A Little Pony

circadian wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Trump is President because of Obama. If it wasn't for Obama, Trump wouldn't have come about.

Makes no sense whatsoever.

Obama was President, turned the individual states against the Democratic party and the GOP gained in strength. They lost trust in the Democrats globalist agenda.

infogiver

RobertKK wrote: »

It happened on Facebook, they took down the video.

I am not blaming Facebook for the incident, but their service was used to broadcast the torture.

Are you suggesting that :
A. Facebook be abolished because of this?

and/or

B. It wouldn't have happened if they hadn't filmed it on Facebook?

ScumLord

mynamejeff wrote: »

is there looting ?
mass protests ?
chanting about dead cops an killing white people ?
celebrity condemnation ?
any one form a organisation and print tshirts for the cause ?
is some one going to kill some completely unrelated people to express thier anger some cops maybe ?

As far as I can see everyone has labeled it as a heinous act. There was no organisation to it other than 4 dispicable people using popular rhetoric as an excuse to do disgusting things. This was an independent act of 4 people. It's not the same thing as trained professionals shooting people because they were afraid of a stereotype.

I was always sympathetic to the american police, I always said that if I was in the same position as them I don't know how I'd react. I'd probably be just as scared and just as likely to react. There are arguments about training, institutionalised stigmatization of one social group, criminals hiding behind social justice warriors. It's a completely different argument, it's a completely different scenario and has very little to do with this crime.