Betting/Gaming ads during football matches

The other thing that I haven't seen mentioned is online ads, they are everywhere too.

Good luck regulating that.

MD1990

Kirby wrote: »

The ads do annoy me because of how pervasive they are during football now. It's bloody constant before and during the game. But people who are going to gamble are going to do it anyway. Banning the ads won't change that.

I'll bet on football the odd time and occasionally bet on MMA. And I don't gamble with money I don't have because I'm not a f*cking idiot.

I am a big proponent of personal responsibility. I don't care what an ad says or how persuasive people claim it may be....nobody is forced to gamble. And nobody is forced to gamble away money they can't afford to lose. Ads won't change that and people blaming them are passing the buck.

People have to accept and acknowledge their own actions and not try and blame the big bad bookies. They are a business like any other and they are upfront with their customers. People comparing them to the payday loansharks that we've seen in recent years are way off the mark. Those lot are actively deceiving in their ads. Paddy power and their ilk are not.

If you start making a decent profit of about €1000 or even less.
You will get limited to making €2 Euro bets or even less than €1.00 bets. Nothing fair about that.

kippy

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

The Advertisement are placed in the relevant section, they're not going to advertise when Cornation St is on for example. They advertise when sports in on, to bet on Sports. I don't see any issue here. I don't believe it's a good thing for society, nor do I believe it's a bad thing.



The issue is with gambling advertisements not what it gives back to the community, ban 1 ban all if that's the case.

You dont believe more people gambling more from a younger age is bad for society?

Shanotheslayer

MD1990 wrote: »

If you start making a decent profit of about €1000 or even less.
You will get limited to making €2 Euro bets or even less than €1.00 bets. Nothing fair about that.

That's not accurate at all. You can get limited which is correct but not for making around that much profit.

@Kippy, I don't see how it effects society really if lads want to out 5 quid on a accumulator for the Buzz I don't see how this has amass effect on society. If you mean in terms of compulsive gamblers betting everything, then yes I can see the issue their.

Fr Tod Umptious

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Yes they are both gambling.
But it can be argued that there is a difference because Lotto gives back to the community whereas regular gambling only gives back to the shareholders.

So now the goal posts move and it's about "the community"

Fr Tod Umptious

M!Ck^ wrote: »

So now the goal posts move and it's about "the community"

Well there is a huge difference between putting a bet on something where a % of your losses will go to funding community projects, compared to betting on something where 100% of your losses will go to the shareholders of the company you made the bet with.

But as a parent I'd be just as disappointed if the kids ended up flittering their money away on scratch cards as on "accas".

Lotteries are nothing more than voluntary taxation.

eagle eye

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

That's not accurate at all. You can get limited which is correct but not for making around that much profit.

@Kippy, I don't see how it effects society really if lads want to out 5 quid on a accumulator for the Buzz I don't see how this has amass effect on society. If you mean in terms of compulsive gamblers betting everything, then yes I can see the issue their.

Do you have kids?

I started this thread because kids like to watch Premier league games and it's a big deal to them. I'd say over 90% of parents don't want their children exposed to gambling advertisements and this is the issue that I was hoping we would discuss here.

My job as a father means that the sensible approach for me is to ban football for my kids and that is not going to go down well. I don't think it's right that kids are not allowed to watch the sports they like but because there is no regulation as regards gambling ads then I am going to be forced to ban football, rugby, GAA and other sports.

What is your thoughts on parents not allowing kids to watch sports on tv?

Dirty Dingus McGee

eagle eye wrote: »

Do you have kids?

I started this thread because kids like to watch Premier league games and it's a big deal to them. I'd say over 90% of parents don't want their children exposed to gambling advertisements and this is the issue that I was hoping we would discuss here.

My job as a father means that the sensible approach for me is to ban football for my kids and that is not going to go down well. I don't think it's right that kids are not allowed to watch the sports they like but because there is no regulation as regards gambling ads then I am going to be forced to ban football, rugby, GAA and other sports.

What is your thoughts on parents not allowing kids to watch sports on tv?

Can't you just tell them that gambling isn't good for you and don't do it.

I saw thousand of ads for Alcohol during the champions league,premier league,all ireland hurling championship when I was younger and I've never drank.

It isn't sport's job to raise your children.

Serious lack of understanding of advertising.

The whole industry are mugs, wasting billions on people's they can't win over.

eagle eye

eagle eye wrote: »

Do you have kids?

I started this thread because kids like to watch Premier league games and it's a big deal to them. I'd say over 90% of parents don't want their children exposed to gambling advertisements and this is the issue that I was hoping we would discuss here.

My job as a father means that the sensible approach for me is to ban football for my kids and that is not going to go down well. I don't think it's right that kids are not allowed to watch the sports they like but because there is no regulation as regards gambling ads then I am going to be forced to ban football, rugby, GAA and other sports.

What is your thoughts on parents not allowing kids to watch sports on tv?

I can't really understand this approach. Every time your kids leave the house they're likely to see a betting shop or billboard. I don't think you can stop them being exposed to it, it's just not possible. If they use the internet, or as soon as they begin to use the internet, that's a whole other avenue by which these companies advertise.

kippy

Jabari Happy Test wrote: »

I can't really understand this approach. Every time your kids leave the house they're likely to see a betting shop or billboard. I don't think you can stop them being exposed to it, it's just not possible. If they use the internet, or as soon as they begin to use the internet, that's a whole other avenue by which these companies advertise.

This is not an argumnent against reducing the amount of gambling advertising on TV however.
As I mentioned earlier some of the attidues and logic visible in this thread is worrying.

Dare I ask, is there any evidence that reducing gambling advertising on TV provides societal gains?

If so then no problem, I'm all for it.

Shanotheslayer

eagle eye wrote: »

Do you have kids?

I started this thread because kids like to watch Premier league games and it's a big deal to them. I'd say over 90% of parents don't want their children exposed to gambling advertisements and this is the issue that I was hoping we would discuss here.

My job as a father means that the sensible approach for me is to ban football for my kids and that is not going to go down well. I don't think it's right that kids are not allowed to watch the sports they like but because there is no regulation as regards gambling ads then I am going to be forced to ban football, rugby, GAA and other sports.

What is your thoughts on parents not allowing kids to watch sports on tv?

No I don't have children.

I'm not going to get into the debate of what you should do as a father as 1) That's none of my business and 2) it's also not my place.

My point is that it's up to the person themselves on how they deal with it. If you want to ban your children from watching sports because of gambling by all means go ahead.

This gambling advertisements are shown at primetime of sport, it's how they make money as a business. They've every right to do it.

If an individual want's to gamble and not knowing anything about other than thinking '' oh I think these 5 teams are gonna win '' and they place ridiculous money it, then so be it, they'll probably lose a lot of money.

Bookies aren't to blame for the studpity of people. There's temptations everywhere, just because there's an advertisement for something shouldn't mean that it must be done.

Why don't you just ban betting websites on your internet access? Surely this makes the most sense. Therefore you're physically stopping your children from doing it.

Fr Tod Umptious

Jabari Happy Test wrote: »

I can't really understand this approach. Every time your kids leave the house they're likely to see a betting shop or billboard. I don't think you can stop them being exposed to it, it's just not possible. If they use the internet, or as soon as they begin to use the internet, that's a whole other avenue by which these companies advertise.

As others have said its about the normalisation of the link between a sports event and betting.

There is lots of anecdotal evidence that younger people regularly bet on sports events other than horse or dog racing, that's something that was not happening in the past.
Now it seems that a game cannot be enjoyed without some sort of a wager.

I watch Big Bash cricket on BT Sport.
There are at least 40 ads for betting in the approx. 3 hours of the game.

And its working of the betting companies it seems, on Betfair alone around €30 million is bet on a single Big Bash game.

NukaCola

Jabari Happy Test wrote: »

The other thing that I haven't seen mentioned is online ads, they are everywhere too.

Good luck regulating that.

Ad blocker is super effective.....no more ads basically.....

Fr Tod Umptious

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

As others have said its about the normalisation of the link between a sports event and betting.

There is lots of anecdotal evidence that younger people regularly bet on sports events other than horse or dog racing, that's something that was not happening in the past.
Now it seems that a game cannot be enjoyed without some sort of a wager.

I watch Big Bash cricket on BT Sport.
There are at least 40 ads for betting in the approx. 3 hours of the game.

And its working of the betting companies it seems, on Betfair alone around €30 million is bet on a single Big Bash game.

I'm sorry but this isn't evidence. Anecdote does not equal data.

And Betfair (the exchange anyway) is not a traditional bookmaker. It's not the equivalent of people going into a shop and betting that amount, though it is a very large number obviously.

ArmaniJeanss

eagle eye wrote: »

My job as a father means that the sensible approach for me is to ban football for my kids and that is not going to go down well.

That wouldn't be a sensible approach at all, it would arguably be the exact opposite.

Fr Tod Umptious

Jabari Happy Test wrote: »

I'm sorry but this isn't evidence. Anecdote does not equal data.

And Betfair (the exchange anyway) is not a traditional bookmaker. It's not the equivalent of people going into a shop and betting that amount, though it is a very large number obviously.

I'm not suggesting its evidence, I'm just commenting on the normalisation of betting and sports events.

Even though Betfair is not like a traditional bookie the same risks are involved.

Fr Tod Umptious

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I'm not suggesting its evidence, I'm just commenting on the normalisation of betting and sports events.

Even though Betfair is not like a traditional bookie the same risks are involved.

Of course betting and sports are normalised. These betting companies exist because there are sports events to bet on. Obviously they've expanded now into and you can bet on anything under the sun but betting and sports go hand in hand.

Pro. F

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

This gambling advertisements are shown at primetime of sport, it's how they make money as a business. They've every right to do it.

Why do they have every right to do it?

Fr Tod Umptious

Jabari Happy Test wrote: »

Of course betting and sports are normalised. These betting companies exist because there are sports events to bet on. Obviously they've expanded now into and you can bet on anything under the sun but betting and sports go hand in hand.

But betting on sports other than racing has only become normalised in the last number of years, with the arrival of dedicated sports TV stations and online bookies.

And its the continued normalisation through the multitude of betting add that is worrying.

Interesting research here from Australia
https://aifs.gov.au/agrc/publications/sports-betting-and-advertising/impacts-gambling-advertising

One bullet point that jumps out

Sports-embedded gambling promotions can normalise gambling, especially among children, adolescents and young adult men.

and

"Adolescents and children are aware of and can recall specific slogans and jingles and may feel they are being groomed to gamble (Amey, 2001; Korn, Hurson et al., 2005; Korn, Reynolds et al., 2005). Further, research has revealed that advertisements can increase adolescents' desire to experiment with gambling and prompt a gambling session"

Korat

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Also the best part about all those advertisements are for signup offers. Anyone that has any interest and or knows much about maths etc is guarenteed to make profit off those sign ups.

Even this post reads like an ad.

If that were true wouldn't some maths genius just hire a couple of thousand people to lay bets for them, make themselves a fortune and bankrupt the bookies?

Shanotheslayer

Pro. F wrote: »

Why do they have every right to do it?

Perhaps 'Right' wasn't the correct word to use. My point been is they are allowed to do it to maximize their business and therefore should be entitled(probably a better word to use) too

Korat wrote: »

Even this post reads like an ad.

If that were true wouldn't some maths genius just hire a couple of thousand people to lay bets for them, make themselves a fortune and bankrupt the bookies?

It doesn't work like that. I said in relation to the sign up bonus there was a guarenteed way to make money. Can only be so many decent bookies with sign up offers to take advantage of. So hiring people wouldn't do much. And Why would somebody except the job when they could just do it themselves? Anybody that would have any interest in it wouldn't get 'hired' they'd do it themselves.

Also the profit isn't ridiculous sums of money, but that doesn't mean it's not guarenteed profit. Can makea few hundred + maybe a few thousand if the unlikely one won.

I'm banned from BetBright and can't receive any bonus' from PP on one account for doing stuff similar, so I know how it works.

Korat

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

It doesn't work like that. I said in relation to the sign up bonus there was a guarenteed way to make money. Can only be so many decent bookies with sign up offers to take advantage of. So hiring people wouldn't do much. And Why would somebody except the job when they could just do it themselves? Anybody that would have any interest in it wouldn't get 'hired' they'd do it themselves.

Also the profit isn't ridiculous sums of money, but that doesn't mean it's not guarenteed profit. Can makea few hundred + maybe a few thousand if the unlikely one won.

That's a bull**** explanation for bull****. :rolleyes:

Shanotheslayer

Korat wrote: »

That's a bull**** explanation for bull****. :rolleyes:

So because you don't understand something it's bullsh*t? Good job. I gave a detailed response as to WHY the way you said wouldn't be possible, but you seem to not understand it so just call it bullsh*t rather than question it further.

Pro. F

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Perhaps 'Right' wasn't the correct word to use. My point been is they are allowed to do it to maximize their business and therefore should be entitled(probably a better word to use) too

The argument you are putting forward here still doesn't make sense I'm afraid.

The OP has suggested that bookies' advertising be regulated so that they cannot advertise on TV until after 8pm (or some similar time). In arguing against that you have made the point that bookies are allowed to advertise on TV in the middle of the day, therefor they should be allowed to advertise on TV in the middle of the day.

Can you see how what you are saying here is just circular logic that doesn't actually make any sense?

Shanotheslayer

Pro. F wrote: »

The argument you are putting forward here still doesn't make sense I'm afraid.

The OP has suggested that bookies' advertising be regulated so that they cannot advertise on TV until after 8pm (or some similar time). In arguing against that you have made the point that bookies are allowed to advertise on TV in the middle of the day, therefor they should be allowed to advertise on TV in the middle of the day.

Can you see how what you are saying here is just circular logic that doesn't actually make any sense?

I'm arguing the point that they should be allowed advertise whenever the sporting events are on. Weather it be Day or Night, the main marketing time for a bookie would be when sporting events are on. I feel they should be allowed to advertise when sporting events are on. As this is the main customer market for them.

The OP is also only suggesting this be done because of children. What about adults? What about people who like it? Bookies have T&C's about sign ups and verification of customers etc. If a parent can't stop their kid from creating an underage bookies account then that's a bigger issue than bookies advertising.

Korat

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

So because you don't understand something it's bullsh*t? Good job. I gave a detailed response as to WHY the way you said wouldn't be possible, but you seem to not understand it so just call it bullsh*t rather than question it further.

You haven't explained why someone who is good with maths couldn't hire thousands of people to lay bets and bankrupt the bookie.

Can only be so many decent bookies with sign up offers to take advantage of. So hiring people wouldn't do much.

WTF does that mean?

And Why would somebody except the job when they could just do it themselves? Anybody that would have any interest in it wouldn't get 'hired' they'd do it themselves.

Indeed they could, so then you'd have thousands more people making 'guaranteed profit' from the bookie.

Also the profit isn't ridiculous sums of money, but that doesn't mean it's not guarenteed profit. Can makea few hundred + maybe a few thousand if the unlikely one won.

A few hundred or even thousands?:eek:

I was thinking €10 or €20 profit per sign up. That kind of money makes it even more attractive to exploit the 'guaranteed profits'.

Any sane person would think you're talking bollocks. No business allows customers to make a profit from them.

Depp

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

For people stupid enough to not know when enough is enough.

this attitude is disgusting, gambling is an addiction the same as any of the rest of them and to dismiss it as stupidity is the absolute height of ignorance.

In my opinion I agree with the op, gambling is a particularly insidious addiction and the free reign they have to blast out their ads is disgusting.

Personally thing both alcohol and gambling should be removed from sports advertising/sponsorships completely, similar to tobacco dont feel its right to be advertising products you have to be 18 to buy/do on a product that has huge viewing numbers under the age of 18

Shanotheslayer

Korat wrote: »

You haven't explained why someone who is good with maths couldn't hire thousands of people to lay bets and bankrupt the bookie.

WTF does that mean?


Indeed they could, so then you'd have thousands more people making 'guaranteed profit' from the bookie.



A few hundred or even thousands?:eek:

I was thinking €10 or €20 profit per sign up. That kind of money makes it even more attractive to exploit the 'guaranteed profits'.

Any sane person would think you're talking bollocks. No business allows customers to make a profit from them.

Nobody hires people, in this regard what they do is sign up. So I know of a site that I paid a membership for, I think it was like a €1 7 day trial or something and what that does if give me a bookie to sign up too.

Example: I sign up to paddy power - I get a sign up bonus of X amount. I place a bet on X and then use betfair exchange to lay the bet, depending on outcome it would return different profits. So Option A could return say €10 profit, option B could return €15.

This can only be done once per bookie. As you only get a sign up bonus when you sign up(obviously) Different bookies give different bonus' and different T&C's of course.

You're right, no business allows customers to make profit from them, which is why you're using two different bookies. I.e Using Paddypower to place bet, and using betfair exchange to lay the bet.

It's called arbing, which can be done without sign up bonus' - Example. Some wrestling event was on awhile ago. Wrestler A was priced at 3/1 Wrestler B was priced at 9/1 back both and no matter the outcome it was guarenteed profit as no such thing as a draw etc. It can be done in football too, but harder in main events.

I don't see why you're talking about people hiring other people. People just create websites and charge customers to use the information they receive.

I like how you use 'guarenteed profit' in quotation marks as if it's not true, look into arbing and you'll see it's true.

bohsman

Korat wrote: »

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Also the best part about all those advertisements are for signup offers. Anyone that has any interest and or knows much about maths etc is guarenteed to make profit off those sign ups.

Even this post reads like an ad.

If that were true wouldn't some maths genius just hire a couple of thousand people to lay bets for them, make themselves a fortune and bankrupt the bookies?

They do. Plenty of anti fraud tools in place by bookies to try to stop it but it happens.

I know of one case in Poland where a group put on fake interviews, took copies of everyones IDs and proof of addresses and used those documents to open accounts on numerous sites. Big business.

The reason some mysterious entity can't hire thousands of people to take advantage of sign up offers is because, by definition, they would have to pay these staff less than the winnings of the sign up offer itself.

Which means no rational person would take the job when they could do it for themselves without the mysterious entity taking a cut.

Fr Tod Umptious

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Nobody hires people, in this regard what they do is sign up. So I know of a site that I paid a membership for, I think it was like a €1 7 day trial or something and what that does if give me a bookie to sign up too.

Example: I sign up to paddy power - I get a sign up bonus of X amount. I place a bet on X and then use betfair exchange to lay the bet, depending on outcome it would return different profits. So Option A could return say €10 profit, option B could return €15.

This can only be done once per bookie. As you only get a sign up bonus when you sign up(obviously) Different bookies give different bonus' and different T&C's of course.

You're right, no business allows customers to make profit from them, which is why you're using two different bookies. I.e Using Paddypower to place bet, and using betfair exchange to lay the bet.

It's called arbing, which can be done without sign up bonus' - Example. Some wrestling event was on awhile ago. Wrestler A was priced at 3/1 Wrestler B was priced at 9/1 back both and no matter the outcome it was guarenteed profit as no such thing as a draw etc. It can be done in football too, but harder in main events.

I don't see why you're talking about people hiring other people. People just create websites and charge customers to use the information they receive.

I like how you use 'guarenteed profit' in quotation marks as if it's not true, look into arbing and you'll see it's true.

As the poster said you are like an ad for the bookies.

If arbing (or arbitrage as its called) was so easy we would all be minted at this stage.

I have yet to find a arbitrage price on Betfair staring me in the face, if there is a trick to finding them please let me know.

You can achieve it by offering different odds and hoping they are matched, but there is no guarantee they will be matched.

You can offer odds that vary very little from the live odds they will likely get matched, but the return is miniscule and you would need to be putting a lot down to turn a decent ROI.

Fr Tod Umptious

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

As the poster said you are like an ad for the bookies.

If arbing (or arbitrage as its called) was so easy we would all be minted at this stage.

I have yet to find a arbitrage price on Betfair staring me in the face, if there is a trick to finding them please let me know.

You can achieve it by offering different odds and hoping they are matched, but there is no guarantee they will be matched.

You can offer odds that vary very little from the live odds they will likely get matched, but the return is miniscule and you would need to be putting a lot down to turn a decent ROI.

The trick is you're betting with free money you get from the sign up offer. The poster isn't talking about a career of arbitrage. They're talking about making guaranteed money from a sign up offer, and they are entirely correct.

If you want to do it full time, yeah it's not easy.

Shanotheslayer

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

As the poster said you are like an ad for the bookies.

If arbing (or arbitrage as its called) was so easy we would all be minted at this stage.

I have yet to find a arbitrage price on Betfair staring me in the face, if there is a trick to finding them please let me know.

You can achieve it by offering different odds and hoping they are matched, but there is no guarantee they will be matched.

You can offer odds that vary very little from the live odds they will likely get matched, but the return is miniscule and you would need to be putting a lot down to turn a decent ROI.

He asked for an explanation in guarenteed money and I gave it.

I never said Arbing was easy, I merely stated it was possible. I gave example of situations when it's been done that didn't use the exchange also. I'm not promoting bookies. I'm merely stating what I was asked and I went into detail to explain it.

Bet, don't bet I really don't care. It's people who don't know what they're talking about who then say '' Bookies always win, mugs game, yada yada'' yet realistically they don't know what they're doing.

Yes a lot of arbs would return minimal, I think before I read something that it's never worth taking an arb under 2.3% or something or other, but I can't recall.

Edit: Also you're never gone to hear about 'Arbs' unless you research yourself, because nobody is going to want to let random people get word and spread the word.

Fr Tod Umptious

Jabari Happy Test wrote: »

The trick is you're betting with free money you get from the sign up offer. The poster isn't talking about a career of arbitrage. They're talking about making guaranteed money from a sign up offer, and they are entirely correct.

If you want to do it full time, yeah it's not easy.

He/she mentions arbing when he/she talks about doing it without sign up offers, re read their post and you'll see it.

It's called arbing, which can be done without sign up bonus'

Thus he/she is as bad as an ad for the bookies.

Shanotheslayer

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

He/she mentions arbing when he/she talks about doing it without sign up offers, re read their post and you'll see it.



Thus he/she is as bad as an ad for the bookies.

Bookies advertise to take money of the customer. I'm literally advising against it and telling you there is a way to take money off them.

Fr Tod Umptious

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

He/she mentions arbing when he/she talks about doing it without sign up offers, re read their post and you'll see it.



Thus he/she is as bad as an ad for the bookies.

You can do it without the sign up offers.

What are you on about him being like a bookie ad? I assume you're trying to use it as an insult of some sort but it makes no sense at all.

Shanotheslayer

Jabari Happy Test wrote: »

You can do it without the sign up offers.

What are you on about him being like a bookie ad? I assume you're trying to use it as an insult of some sort but it makes no sense at all.

Apparently me stating that arbing the bookie sign up offers to take money off them is advertising for me telling to sign up to the bookies :rolleyes:

Korat

I can set-up a betting account giving nothing of value to the bookie and walk away their money? :rolleyes:

Either you chaps are lying or there's a major part of the transaction you haven't bothered or are unable to understand.

'Guaranteed profit' is a marketing slogan bordering on deception. I'm disappointed to see people regurgitating lies and half truths spread by exploitative businesses to encourage fools to part with their money on this board. I thought there was more respect for each other.

I fully respect anyone who gambles for the fun of it fully knowing that they will lose money but nonsense like this is why there should be restrictions on betting advertising.

Korat

Korat wrote: »

I can set-up a betting account giving nothing of value to the bookie and walk away their money? :rolleyes:

Either you chaps are lying or there's a major part of the transaction you haven't bothered or are unable to understand.

'Guaranteed profit' is a marketing slogan bordering on deception. I'm disappointed to see people regurgitating lies and half truths spread by exploitative businesses to encourage fools to part with their money on this board. I thought there was more respect for each other.

I fully respect anyone who gambles for the fun of it fully knowing that they will lose money but nonsense like this is why there should be restrictions on betting advertising.

Have a look at Paddy Power site. If you're a new customer and you lodge a tenner of your own money they will give you €30 in free bets. You can then bet on something highly likely, win, withdraw and walk away. Or you can use the exchange to guarantee you'll come away with some profit, yes.

Do try to be a little less condescending when you don't know what you're talking about, please.

Edit, and please point out a single betting ad where they tell you you're guaranteed to win.

Korat

Jabari Happy Test wrote: »

Have a look at Paddy Power site. If you're a new customer and you lodge a tenner of your own money they will give you €30 in free bets. You can then bet on something highly likely, win, withdraw and walk away. Or you can use the exchange to guarantee you'll come away with some profit, yes.

Do try to be a little less condescending when you don't know what you're talking about, please.

Can I just set up the account place no bets and just take the cash?

What personal data, which I can't fake, will Paddy Power farm from me?

ArmaniJeanss

Korat wrote: »

I can set-up a betting account giving nothing of value to the bookie and walk away their money? :rolleyes:

Either you chaps are lying or there's a major part of the transaction you haven't bothered or are unable to understand.

'Guaranteed profit' is a marketing slogan bordering on deception. I'm disappointed to see people regurgitating lies and half truths spread by exploitative businesses to encourage fools to part with their money on this board. I thought there was more respect for each other.

Just because you don't believe it doesn't means it's not the truth.
Coral and the rest of them will often have promos like '5/1 MUFC to win a corner, max bet £5, new accounts only'.
No strings attached to things like this, its effectively a free £25 for you.
Now obviously they are doing it as an investment in you and your future gambling, but if you don't gamble another penny with them then the money is still yours.

Korat

Korat wrote: »

Can I just set up the account place no bets and just take the cash?

What personal data, which I can't fake, will Paddy Power farm from me?

Are you honestly asking if Paddy Power will just give you €30?

Don't be so ridiculous.

Fr Tod Umptious

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Just because you don't believe it doesn't means it's not the truth.
Coral and the rest of them will often have promos like '5/1 MUFC to win a corner, max bet £5, new accounts only'.
No strings attached to things like this, its effectively a free £25 for you.
Now obviously they are doing it as an investment in you and your future gambling, but if you don't gamble another penny with them then the money is still yours.

Well on Saturday night Betway popuped up onmy browser with an offer of 33/1 for new customers on Liverpool to beat Plymouth, at home in the FA Cup.

It said the 33/1 would be paid back in other Betway bets.

I didn't bite and was glad I didn't.

Nothing is guaranteed, but sure we all know that.

Shanotheslayer

Korat wrote: »

I can set-up a betting account giving nothing of value to the bookie and walk away their money? :rolleyes:

Either you chaps are lying or there's a major part of the transaction you haven't bothered or are unable to understand.

'Guaranteed profit' is a marketing slogan bordering on deception. I'm disappointed to see people regurgitating lies and half truths spread by exploitative businesses to encourage fools to part with their money on this board. I thought there was more respect for each other.

I fully respect anyone who gambles for the fun of it fully knowing that they will lose money but nonsense like this is why there should be restrictions on betting advertising.

I can do nothing but laugh at this post. ''Half Truths'' ''Regurgitating lies'' You have no idea what you're talking about. Do some research on the subject before you comment any further.

''knowing that they will lose money'' False, Arbs don't lose money they are guarenteed to make a profit.

Korat wrote: »

Can I just set up the account place no bets and just take the cash?

What personal data, which I can't fake, will Paddy Power farm from me?

How would you expect to take the cash without giving bank details and proof of who you are? :rolleyes: I stated previously what would be needed. You clearly haven't a clue what you're talking about but just don't like it so proceed to make silly arguments.

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Well on Saturday night Betway popuped up onmy browser with an offer of 33/1 for new customers on Liverpool to beat Plymouth, at home in the FA Cup.

It said the 33/1 would be paid back in other Betway bets.

I didn't bite and was glad I didn't.

Nothing is guaranteed, but sure we all know that.

This is the type of situation that can be arbed. Generally the T&C's will be in free bets or money needs to be rolled over etc.

eagle eye

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

No I don't have children.

I'm not going to get into the debate of what you should do as a father as 1) That's none of my business and 2) it's also not my place.

My point is that it's up to the person themselves on how they deal with it. If you want to ban your children from watching sports because of gambling by all means go ahead.

This gambling advertisements are shown at primetime of sport, it's how they make money as a business. They've every right to do it.

If an individual want's to gamble and not knowing anything about other than thinking '' oh I think these 5 teams are gonna win '' and they place ridiculous money it, then so be it, they'll probably lose a lot of money.

Bookies aren't to blame for the studpity of people. There's temptations everywhere, just because there's an advertisement for something shouldn't mean that it must be done.

Why don't you just ban betting websites on your internet access? Surely this makes the most sense. Therefore you're physically stopping your children from doing it.

So you aren't going to address the kids part of this and it's exactly the reason I started the thread.

Shanotheslayer

eagle eye wrote: »

So you aren't going to address the kids part of this and it's exactly the reason I started the thread.

Perhaps you should read the last paragraph.

eagle eye

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Perhaps you should read the last paragraph.

I'm talking about Sky, RTE and other tv channels.

Shanotheslayer

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm talking about Sky, RTE and other tv channels.

So there's a solution to the problem in banning the websites from your internet, but you're just not willing to do it? You just want your kids hidden from gambling advertisement all together?