Betting/Gaming ads during football matches

eagle eye

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

So there's a solution to the problem in banning the websites from your internet, but you're just not willing to do it? You just want your kids hidden from gambling advertisement all together?

How do I get rid of ads off tv channels?

I'm well aware I can block them from browsers, that is not the issue. It's the ads on Sky and RTE and other channels during Premie league games and GAA games.

Shanotheslayer

eagle eye wrote: »

How do I get rid of ads off tv channels?

I'm well aware I can block them from browsers, that is not the issue. It's the ads on Sky and RTE and other channels during Premie league games and GAA games.

You issue is you don't want your kids gambling, that's fine. Like I said block the websites. Why should the ads be stopped when it's a prime time to bet? You're not giving any reasonable explanation other than '' kids are exposed ''

''Kids'' aren't allowed to gamble, it's against the law. So when you say kids you either mean children as in 10-13 or whatever, who wouldn't even know what to do with a bookies website nevermind anything else. Or you mean the 15-17 bracket, in which case they would still need valid ID/Bank details etc.

Korat

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

No strings attached to things like this, its effectively a free £25 for you.
Now obviously they are doing it as an investment in you and your future gambling, but if you don't gamble another penny with them then the money is still yours.

So you don't have to top up your account with your own money first?

The Paddy Power deal sounds like it actually costs you €10 so it's not even guaranteed break even.

My original question was in response to the ludicrous claim of 'guaranteed profit' by Shanolot. It's exactly the kind of too good to be true opportunity that sucks people in. Of course it's bollocks when you look into the detail of the offer, strangely a lot of you are reluctant to explain.

Free bets should be banned outright. They're obviously targeted at young people and the offers are clearly misleading.

Shanotheslayer

Korat wrote: »

So you don't have to top up your account with your own money first?

The Paddy Power deal sounds like it actually costs you €10 so it's not even guaranteed break even.

My original question was in response to the ludicrous claim of 'guaranteed profit' by Shanolot. It's exactly the kind of too good to be true opportunity that sucks people in. Of course it's bollocks when you look into the detail of the offer, strangely a lot of you are reluctant to explain.

Free bets should be banned outright. They're obviously targeted at young people and the offers are clearly misleading.

I've literally explained a dozen times already.

Korat

Korat wrote: »

So you don't have to top up your account with your own money first?

The Paddy Power deal sounds like it actually costs you €10 so it's not even guaranteed break even.

My original question was in response to the ludicrous claim of 'guaranteed profit' by Shanolot. It's exactly the kind of too good to be true opportunity that sucks people in. Of course it's bollocks when you look into the detail of the offer, strangely a lot of you are reluctant to explain.

Free bets should be banned outright. They're obviously targeted at young people and the offers are clearly misleading.

The site say, in big bold writing on the home page, "Bet €10 get €30 in free bets". There is absolutely nothing misleading about that. It is exactly what it says on the tin.

You can make guaranteed profit by laying your free bets on the exchange. You obviously don't understand this and possibly don't want to either as it won't suit your position.

The free bets are targetted at anyone who opens an account with the company. Not everything is about the poor children.

eagle eye

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

You issue is you don't want your kids gambling, that's fine. Like I said block the websites. Why should the ads be stopped when it's a prime time to bet? You're not giving any reasonable explanation other than '' kids are exposed ''

''Kids'' aren't allowed to gamble, it's against the law. So when you say kids you either mean children as in 10-13 or whatever, who wouldn't even know what to do with a bookies website nevermind anything else. Or you mean the 15-17 bracket, in which case they would still need valid ID/Bank details etc.

I don't want my kids exposed to gambling adverts. Most people who become gambling addicts were exposed to it at a young age.

If they want to gamble when they become adults that's up to them.

I'd like for them to be able to watch any sport they want on tv at the weekend but with all the gambling adverts that surround these games I don't think it's a good idea for them to watch those channels which is unfortunate and unfair to kids imo.

Shanotheslayer

eagle eye wrote: »

I don't want my kids exposed to gambling adverts. Most people who become gambling addicts were exposed to it at a young age.

If they want to gamble when they become adults that's up to them.

I'd like for them to be able to watch any sport they want on tv at the weekend but with all the gambling adverts that surround these games I don't think it's a good idea for them to watch those channels which is unfortunate and unfair to kids imo.

Why do the kids get a priority over the adults? Lets be real here, that's not going to happen, so why not block it from your internet?

eagle eye

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Why do the kids get a priority over the adults? Lets be real here, that's not going to happen, so why not block it from your internet?

Why do you keep going on about internet. I'm talking about tv here, I'm talking about kids being exposed to gambling adverts which I don't want. You are going beyond this and have them already wanting to gamble, I want to prevent it from getting to that stage by not exposing them to gambling in any way.

I'm not talking about all day here, I'm talking about daytime viewing.

It's becoming very clear that you have no understanding of how gullible and easily led children are. They need to be protected from many things including gambling.

Shanotheslayer

eagle eye wrote: »

Why do you keep going on about internet. I'm talking about tv here, I'm talking about kids being exposed to gambling adverts which I don't want. You are going beyond this and have them already wanting to gamble, I want to prevent it from getting to that stage by not exposing them to gambling in any way.

I'm not talking about all day here, I'm talking about daytime viewing.

It's becoming very clear that you have no understanding of how gullible and easily led children are. They need to be protected from many things including gambling.

You never never answered my question as to why children come before adults? Why do you have such a voodoo about gambling? Perhaps it's a personal issue. I don't know, but it shouldn't be banned just for the ''won't somebody please think of the children''. So if there's a football match on at 5:30 you have no problem with football ads? Or is it 8:00 kick off that are ok ?

Fr Tod Umptious

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

You never never answered my question as to why children come before adults? Why do you have such a voodoo about gambling? Perhaps it's a personal issue. I don't know, but it shouldn't be banned just for the ''won't somebody please think of the children''. So if there's a football match on at 5:30 you have no problem with football ads? Or is it 8:00 kick off that are ok ?

Because when you have kids you look at things differently.

Things that did not bother you before like wall to wall betting ads during games or wall to wall drinks logos in stadiums make you stop and think.

Its called maturity.

eagle eye

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

You never never answered my question as to why children come before adults? Why do you have such a voodoo about gambling? Perhaps it's a personal issue. I don't know, but it shouldn't be banned just for the ''won't somebody please think of the children''. So if there's a football match on at 5:30 you have no problem with football ads? Or is it 8:00 kick off that are ok ?

The answer was in my replay but you didn't pick it up. Kids have to be protected, they are very impressionable. Adults can make decisions for themselves and I've told you that if my kids want to bet when they become adults that is their decision. My job is to protect them from all of the ills of this world like alcohol, gambling and smoking.

Gambling is a big issue in this country at the moment. There are a lot of young men addicted to gambling, I've read a lot about it and it's quite frightening that people are sitting in their houses playing fruit machines and gambling excessive amounts on sports. We need to protect our kids from this until they become adults.

citytillidie

Only way to miss the ads on tv is to delay the coverage by 20 mins for football say, this will enable you to fast forward through the betting ads at the start, then fast forward the ads at half time or fast forward all of HT so you can get the 2nd half live as it kicks off

howiya

citytillidie wrote: »

Only way to miss the ads on tv is to delay the coverage by 20 mins for football say, this will enable you to fast forward through the betting ads at the start, then fast forward the ads at half time or fast forward all of HT so you can get the 2nd half live as it kicks off

I suggested that the OP change the channel during the ads rather than have the kids miss the game but that was countered by what about the advertising hoardings or bookies names on jerseys etc.

Sounds like the OP wants to shield his kids from any gambling adverts but is unwilling to stand by his convictions and take the flak from the kids over not letting them watch Stoke versus Crystal Palace. Both teams deliberately chosen because of the companies on their jerseys.

There is no right answer we can give the OP.

Pro. F

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I'm arguing the point that they should be allowed advertise whenever the sporting events are on. Weather it be Day or Night, the main marketing time for a bookie would be when sporting events are on. I feel they should be allowed to advertise when sporting events are on. As this is the main customer market for them.

Okay, now you have laid out your argument clearly. You think bookies should be allowed to advertise in the daytime because there are sporting events then and advertising during those is the way they can reach the most customers.

But that begs the question, why should that be important? Why should we as a society care if bookies can advertise to the maximum number of potential customers? What benefit does that bring us? Surely the primary concern for society (in this case, represented by the TV regulators) should be the positives to society as a whole, not the profit margins of a few betting companies who want to sell their product to as many people as possible.

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

The OP is also only suggesting this be done because of children. What about adults? What about people who like it? Bookies have T&C's about sign ups and verification of customers etc. If a parent can't stop their kid from creating an underage bookies account then that's a bigger issue than bookies advertising.

Yes those are interesting questions. But I'd like to get to the bottom of why you think bookies' ads on TV are so important before we move on to the rest of it.

Shanotheslayer

Pro. F wrote: »

Okay, now you have laid out your argument clearly. You think bookies should be allowed to advertise in the daytime because there are sporting events then and advertising during those is the way they can reach the most customers.

But that begs the question, why should that be important? Why should we as a society care if bookies can advertise to the maximum number of potential customers? What benefit does that bring us? Surely the primary concern for society (in this case, represented by the TV regulators) should be the positives to society as a whole, not the profit margins of a few betting companies who want to sell their product to as many people as possible.


Yes those are interesting questions. But I'd like to get to the bottom of why you think bookies' ads on TV are so important before we move on to the rest of it.

I don't think it's massively important, I just don't think a company shouldn't be allowed do something just for the sake of 'the children'. I feel it's the parents responsibility to stop their children gambling. I don't think 10 year olds are saying '' Put 5 euro on the enchanced price at HT there dad''.

Other than the arguement '' for the sake of children '' nobody can make a valid argument as to why they shouldn't do it.

Someone stated before that gambling has increased in society thus more people liking the advertisement so why should it stop for the minority?

Like I said before I don't follow this advertisement nor do I think they are value, but I don't think they should stop just because people don't want their children gambling and feel this advertisement will be the root cause of it.

Fr Tod Umptious

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I don't think it's massively important, I just don't think a company shouldn't be allowed do something just for the sake of 'the children'. I feel it's the parents responsibility to stop their children gambling. I don't think 10 year olds are saying '' Put 5 euro on the enchanced price at HT their dad''.

Other than the arguement '' for the sake of children '' nobody can make a valid argument as to why they shouldn't do it.

Someone stated before that gambling has increased in society thus more people liking the advertisement so why should it stop for the minority?

Like I said before I don't follow this advertisement nor do I think they are value, but I don't think they should stop just because people don't want their children gambling and feel this advertisement will be the root cause of it.

Because the earlier you make someone aware of something the more likely they will participate in it and in the case of gambling if you have more participating you will have more problem gamblers.

Look at the research I posted from Australia yesterday, it’s covered in that
Kids are associating sports with gambling.

In the UK, this link from the BBC talks about the number of problem gamblers increasing in the 18-35 bracket age.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/24455559/number-of-young-people-with-gambling-problems-increases

And look at the ads themselves, look at the Betway (two guys in disaster situations) and the Paddy Power ones, they a zany, goofy, almost cartoon like.

Who are they appealing to, the 45 year old developed mind like my own or the 11 to 15 year old developing mind ?

Or the Bet365 ones, making gambling look as natural as a subway journey or a trip to the beach.

What about the Ladbrookes ones, playing up the “one of the cool lads” narrative.

If you cannot understand or do not wish to believe any of that then there is no use having a debate with you

eagle eye

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I don't think it's massively important, I just don't think a company shouldn't be allowed do something just for the sake of 'the children'. I feel it's the parents responsibility to stop their children gambling. I don't think 10 year olds are saying '' Put 5 euro on the enchanced price at HT their dad''.

Other than the arguement '' for the sake of children '' nobody can make a valid argument as to why they shouldn't do it.

Someone stated before that gambling has increased in society thus more people liking the advertisement so why should it stop for the minority?

Like I said before I don't follow this advertisement nor do I think they are value, but I don't think they should stop just because people don't want their children gambling and feel this advertisement will be the root cause of it.

I take my kids to restaurants that don't serve alcohol, I would never take them anywhere that alcohol is available, I'd never take them anywhere that people are smoking either. I don't want them to see those things at all until they are old enough to know understand how dangerous these things can become.
I want my kids to have access to tv with Premier league games and other leagues and other sports too but it's not possible because of gambling advertisement. There are no alcohol, smoking or porn ads during the day so gambling advertisements are all that is preventing my kids being able to watch sports on tv

Gambling advertisements open the door to a world I'd prefer my kids never enter so stopping the ads during the day is the best way to do this.

The UK are looking at it right now and it's likely to happen over there in the near future. I hope Ireland follows quickly.

You legally have to be over 18 years of age to gamble so imo adverts for gambling shouldn't be shown until an acceptable time of the day where kids should not be watching tv.

The_Kew_Tour

You're stopping your kids from watching sport cause of couple of ads?

You could let them enjoy the beauty of sport and teach them about the risks of gambling, rather then jail them in their own home

howiya

eagle eye wrote: »

I take my kids to restaurants that don't serve alcohol, I would never take them anywhere that alcohol is available, I'd never take them anywhere that people are smoking either. I don't want them to see those things at all until they are old enough to know understand how dangerous these things can become.
I want my kids to have access to tv with Premier league games and other leagues and other sports too but it's not possible because of gambling advertisement. There are no alcohol, smoking or porn ads during the day so gambling advertisements are all that is preventing my kids being able to watch sports on tv

Gambling advertisements open the door to a world I'd prefer my kids never enter so stopping the ads during the day is the best way to do this.

The UK are looking at it right now and it's likely to happen over there in the near future. I hope Ireland follows quickly.

You legally have to be over 18 years of age to gamble so imo adverts for gambling shouldn't be shown until an acceptable time of the day where kids should not be watching tv.

You have to be 17 to drive a car. I saw Jurgen Klopp in an Opel ad last night. Where will the madness end?

eagle eye

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

You're stopping your kids from watching sport cause of couple of ads?

You could let them enjoy the beauty of sport and teach them about the risks of gambling, rather then jail them in their own home

Some of them are too young to understand that yet. I have lots of experience with gambling, I've seen lots of problem gamblers over the years too. I don't want my kids to have anything to do with it. It's a waste of their time and money, I want them to develop without any knowledge of gambling.

I've already said that I feel like I'm being cruel in a way but gambling should not be so closely associated with sport imo. If I let them watch these ads and end up with a kid who has a gambling problem I'd never forgive myself.

The_Kew_Tour

eagle eye wrote: »

Some of them are too young to understand that yet. I have lots of experience with gambling, I've seen lots of problem gamblers over the years too. I don't want my kids to have anything to do with it. It's a waste of their time and money, I want them to develop without any knowledge of gambling.

I've already said that I feel like I'm being cruel in a way but gambling should not be so closely associated with sport imo. If I let them watch these ads and end up with a kid who has a gambling problem I'd never forgive myself.

I know you mean good here and I can see your point of view.

But I think stopping them from watching what they might like to enjoy in their spare time might make them resent in later years and may cause a different problem.

You could even try switching over at half time and before the game. Then everyone wins.

howiya

eagle eye wrote: »

Some of them are too young to understand that yet. I have lots of experience with gambling, I've seen lots of problem gamblers over the years too. I don't want my kids to have anything to do with it. It's a waste of their time and money, I want them to develop without any knowledge of gambling.

I've already said that I feel like I'm being cruel in a way but gambling should not be so closely associated with sport imo. If I let them watch these ads and end up with a kid who has a gambling problem I'd never forgive myself.

Personally I think they'd be better served with you informing them of the pitfalls of gambling and how it is a waste of their time and money rather than trying to live in a bubble. However I'm not a parent

POKERKING

eagle eye wrote: »

I take my kids to restaurants that don't serve alcohol, I would never take them anywhere that alcohol is available, I'd never take them anywhere that people are smoking either. I don't want them to see those things at all until they are old enough to know understand how dangerous these things can become.
I want my kids to have access to tv with Premier league games and other leagues and other sports too but it's not possible because of gambling advertisement. There are no alcohol, smoking or porn ads during the day so gambling advertisements are all that is preventing my kids being able to watch sports on tv

Gambling advertisements open the door to a world I'd prefer my kids never enter so stopping the ads during the day is the best way to do this.

The UK are looking at it right now and it's likely to happen over there in the near future. I hope Ireland follows quickly.

You legally have to be over 18 years of age to gamble so imo adverts for gambling shouldn't be shown until an acceptable time of the day where kids should not be watching tv.

Not many proper restaurants dont serve alcohol, this must be tricky? I think this is a bit extreme although i understand your concern in general(I work in the gambling industry)

Shanotheslayer

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Because the earlier you make someone aware of something the more likely they will participate in it and in the case of gambling if you have more participating you will have more problem gamblers.

Look at the research I posted from Australia yesterday, it’s covered in that
Kids are associating sports with gambling.

In the UK, this link from the BBC talks about the number of problem gamblers increasing in the 18-35 bracket age.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/24455559/number-of-young-people-with-gambling-problems-increases

And look at the ads themselves, look at the Betway (two guys in disaster situations) and the Paddy Power ones, they a zany, goofy, almost cartoon like.

Who are they appealing to, the 45 year old developed mind like my own or the 11 to 15 year old developing mind ?

Or the Bet365 ones, making gambling look as natural as a subway journey or a trip to the beach.

What about the Ladbrookes ones, playing up the “one of the cool lads” narrative.

If you cannot understand or do not wish to believe any of that then there is no use having a debate with you

I don't disagree that the marketing is for young adults (18+) and not the 45+ aul lads so to speak. Of course they're going to market for them, Paddypower are exceptional at it, they've one of the best marketing teams by far in the betting world.

@ Eagle

Smoking/Alcohol/Porn ads are different to gambling. For obvious reasons. Gambling is associated with sport as in that's what people bet on so of course the ads are going to be when the sports is on.

Why don't you just stream the games? It avoids all ads? But that's against the law, so that's worse then gambling so can't be teaching kids that I suppose.

You're looking for a dream world where kids will see nothing 'bad' and be oblivious to it. That's fair enough, but it's not a reality. I'm not even sure when betting advertisements became so frequent because I pay no attention to the advertisements on TV anyway. I just know they exist because they pop up.

Fr Tod Umptious

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I don't disagree that the marketing is for young adults (18+) and not the 45+ aul lads so to speak. Of course they're going to market for them, Paddypower are exceptional at it, they've one of the best marketing teams by far in the betting world.

@ Eagle

Smoking/Alcohol/Porn ads are different to gambling. For obvious reasons. Gambling is associated with sport as in that's what people bet on so of course the ads are going to be when the sports is on.

Why don't you just stream the games? It avoids all ads? But that's against the law, so that's worse then gambling so can't be teaching kids that I suppose.

You're looking for a dream world where kids will see nothing 'bad' and be oblivious to it. That's fair enough, but it's not a reality. I'm not even sure when betting advertisements became so frequent because I pay no attention to the advertisements on TV anyway. I just know they exist because they pop up.

But it's for the younger than the 18+
Get the brand out to them early and by the time they are ready to experiment, whether that is 18 or younger, they will be familiar with your brand.

Fr Tod Umptious

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

But it's for the younger than the 18+
Get the brand out to them early and by the time they are ready to experiment, whether that is 18 or younger, they will be familiar with your brand.

Is there even a quantum of evidence to back this up?

I'm going to go with no.

eagle eye

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I don't disagree that the marketing is for young adults (18+) and not the 45+ aul lads so to speak. Of course they're going to market for them, Paddypower are exceptional at it, they've one of the best marketing teams by far in the betting world.

@ Eagle

Smoking/Alcohol/Porn ads are different to gambling. For obvious reasons. Gambling is associated with sport as in that's what people bet on so of course the ads are going to be when the sports is on.

Why don't you just stream the games? It avoids all ads? But that's against the law, so that's worse then gambling so can't be teaching kids that I suppose.

You're looking for a dream world where kids will see nothing 'bad' and be oblivious to it. That's fair enough, but it's not a reality. I'm not even sure when betting advertisements became so frequent because I pay no attention to the advertisements on TV anyway. I just know they exist because they pop up.

There are lots of people who consider drinking as close to sport because it's what they do on a wednesday night when the Champion's league is on and their team are playing.

Gambling is not just about sport, gambling also covers fruit machines, roulette, blackjack, poker, betting on stocks etc. All these things are available to bet on with the bigger firms.

You are talking about how you yourself perceive the relationship between sport and gambling. A child under 18 years age should never think that way.

Gambling adverts are the opportunity for the gambling firms to show you the shiny front door into the abyss if you happen to become addicted. No way should they be on when kids are watching tv.

Shanotheslayer

eagle eye wrote: »

There are lots of people who consider drinking as close to sport because it's what they do on a wednesday night when the Champion's league is on and their team are playing.

Gambling is not just about sport, gambling also covers fruit machines, roulette, blackjack, poker, betting on stocks etc. All these things are available to bet on with the bigger firms.

You are talking about how you yourself perceive the relationship between sport and gambling. A child under 18 years age should never think that way.

Gambling adverts are the opportunity for the gambling firms to show you the shiny front door into the abyss if you happen to become addicted. No way should they be on when kids are watching tv.

The advertisement you're talking about tends to be for sports not stocks/poker/blackjack. If you watch poker on TV I notice that sometimes bookies have poker ads, not sports ads etc.

So a 17 year old should never witness a gambling advert? You're talking about kids watching TV, so a 17 year old doesn't go to bed at 7-8PM, so what time would you like the advertisements to start at?

I think you're being far to overprotective in this sense. My way of looking at is,

Younger kids, 10-13/14 wouldn't even notice this stuff I imagine.

The older end 15-17 are old enough for you to have a serious conversation about the seriousness of gambling and the likes.

You want gambling to not exist, that's not going to happen. Many people have given you solutions to resolve the problem you currently have with the adverts being shown and ways to avoid them, but that's not good enough for you. You won't be happy until you get exactly what you want.

Fr Tod Umptious

Jabari Happy Test wrote: »

Is there even a quantum of evidence to back this up?

I'm going to go with no.

Plenty of it

Try here
https://www.responsiblegambling.vic.gov.au/newsroom/media-releases/2014/children-and-parents-influenced-by-persuasive-gambling-advertising

and this that I posted yesterday
https://aifs.gov.au/agrc/publications/sports-betting-and-advertising/impacts-gambling-advertising

Key phrase in the latter

Adolescents and children are aware of and can recall specific slogans and jingles and may feel they are being groomed to gamble (Amey, 2001; Korn, Hurson et al., 2005; Korn, Reynolds et al., 2005). Further, research has revealed that advertisements can increase adolescents' desire to experiment with gambling and prompt a gambling session (Derevensky et al., 2007; Korn, Hurson et al., 2005; Korn, Reynolds et al., 2005).

I'm sure there are more but I don't have the time right now

Fr Tod Umptious

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Plenty of it

Try here
https://www.responsiblegambling.vic.gov.au/newsroom/media-releases/2014/children-and-parents-influenced-by-persuasive-gambling-advertising

and this that I posted yesterday
https://aifs.gov.au/agrc/publications/sports-betting-and-advertising/impacts-gambling-advertising

Key phrase in the latter

Adolescents and children are aware of and can recall specific slogans and jingles and may feel they are being groomed to gamble (Amey, 2001; Korn, Hurson et al., 2005; Korn, Reynolds et al., 2005). Further, research has revealed that advertisements can increase adolescents' desire to experiment with gambling and prompt a gambling session (Derevensky et al., 2007; Korn, Hurson et al., 2005; Korn, Reynolds et al., 2005).

I'm sure there are more but I don't have the time right now

Sorry I thought you were saying they were deliberately targeting children, which they're expressly forbidden from doing by the advertising standards body here. I don't believe they are and it wouldn't make sense for them anyway, they want the punter to bet now not in 5 years. Their ads are played at times when they will get the max viewership from people who can bet there and then.

If there's evidence the the ads influence children though, yeah it's an issue I suppose.

con___manx1

There are way to many young lads into gambling in a big way now. It's way to easy to download a paddypower app or some other betting app. I myself had a problem but I stopped last March. I banned myself off the apps all you have to do is email the and say you have a problem and you will b banned for life as you can sue them if they don't. It's way to easy to sit down open the app during the game and spend a chunk of your wages.

Shanotheslayer

con___manx1 wrote: »

There are way to many young lads into gambling in a big way now. It's way to easy to download a paddypower app or some other betting app. I myself had a problem but I stopped last March. I banned myself off the apps all you have to do is email the and say you have a problem and you will b banned for life as you can sue them if they don't. It's way to easy to sit down open the app during the game and spend a chunk of your wages.

This is one of the things I have an issue with. It shouldn't be an issue. That's good apps and good customer service, but because it's gambling it's frowned upon.

PP/bet365 have brilliant customer service apps/websites. They're not forcing you to deposit a chunk of your wages, and for the mass amounts of people who don't do it they want easy access and it shouldn't be difficult for them.

Fair play for shutting down your accounts, showed brilliant willpower and I imagine you're a lot happier now.

con___manx1

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

This is one of the things I have an issue with. It shouldn't be an issue. That's good apps and good customer service, but because it's gambling it's frowned upon.

PP/bet365 have brilliant customer service apps/websites. They're not forcing you to deposit a chunk of your wages, and for the mass amounts of people who don't do it they want easy access and it shouldn't be difficult for them.

Fair play for shutting down your accounts, showed brilliant willpower and I imagine you're a lot happier now.

i just sat down one day and closed all my accounts. It was the best thing I ever did. I had a problem for around 3 years and have stopped 10 months now. I kept it secret for all that time from everyone. I only told one person recently I had a problem and that helped me big time. I no the vast majority of people won't spend there Wages but I feel gambling adds are as bad as ciggie or alcohol adds that are banned from advertising at sports events. Gambling doesn't affect your physical health but it can destroy your mental health. It can destroy family's and some people have taken there own lives over gambling addiction or ended up in prison for stealing to feed there addiction.

Pro. F

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I don't think it's massively important, I just don't think a company shouldn't be allowed do something just for the sake of 'the children'.

This is a patently absurd line of reasoning. Any properly functioning society will make extra effort to look after their children. Hence why we have regulations to protect children from seeing things on TV that would harm them.

I know your argument has a few different strands to it, but if you really can't see that modern governments should and do proactively protect children, then your whole understanding of what is going on is warped. You need to accept that "for the sake of the children" is considered a valid reason for governments prohibiting companies from doing things by pretty much everybody else in the country you live in.

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I feel it's the parents responsibility to stop their children gambling. I don't think 10 year olds are saying '' Put 5 euro on the enchanced price at HT their dad''.

Other than the arguement '' for the sake of children '' nobody can make a valid argument as to why they shouldn't do it.

There has actually been an argument made with more to it than just "for the sake of the children" in this thread, but you haven't dealt with it. It has been pointed out that advertisements for gambling normalise gambling behaviour, which in turn means more children will develop into adults who gamble.

The problem isn't that children will see gambling ads and then go and gamble. As you say, there are restrictions to stop them doing that. The problem is that children will see gambling ads and then grow up to be like the idiots portrayed as heroes in the ads who throw their money at bookies. Edit: I don't mean that to sound like I think everybody who gambles is an idiot, but that is certainly the market the bookies are looking to promote.

When you realise that the vast majority of people who gamble are losing money and that the average citizen's poor understanding of how to manage money is a plague on society, then you can start to see that a gambling culture isn't as benign as you might think.

And yes the parents have a duty to control their kids and raise them well, but the rest of us also have a duty to help parents raising kids. Because the whole country loses out when kids grow up with problems.

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Someone stated before that gambling has increased in society thus more people liking the advertisement so why should it stop for the minority?

You are mistaken in thinking that advertisements are a service for people who like the product. They are not. They are a service for people who sell the product, in order that they might convince more people to buy the product. The people who like to gamble would lose nothing from the ads not being on TV, they would still be able to gamble and the bookies would still make the same offers.

And again on the minority thing. You aren't getting that modern, functioning countries look after the interests of their minorities. That's a large part of what makes the modern world a better place to live.

Shanotheslayer

Pro. F wrote: »

This is a patently absurd line of reasoning. Any properly functioning society will make extra effort to look after their children. Hence why we have regulations to protect children from seeing things on TV that would harm them.

I know your argument has a few different strands to it, but if you really can't see that modern governments should and do proactively protect children, then your whole understanding of what is going on is warped. You need to accept that "for the sake of the children" is considered a valid reason for governments prohibiting companies from doing things by pretty much everybody else in the country you live in.

I see where you are coming from and I appreciate the valid points you make. I understand that we have regulations to protect the children.

Pro. F wrote: »

There has actually been an argument made with more to it than just "for the sake of the children" in this thread, but you haven't dealt with it. It has been pointed out that advertisements for gambling normalise gambling behaviour, which in turn means more children will develop into adults who gamble.

The problem isn't that children will see gambling ads and then go and gamble. As you say, there are restrictions to stop them doing that. The problem is that children will see gambling ads and then grow up to be like the idiots portrayed as heroes in the ads who throw their money at bookies. Edit: I don't mean that to sound like I think everybody who gambles is an idiot, but that is certainly the market the bookies are looking to promote.

When you realise that the vast majority of people who gamble are losing money and that the average citizen's poor understanding of how to manage money is a plague on society, then you can start to see that a gambling culture isn't as benign as you might think.

And yes the parents have a duty to control their kids and raise them well, but the rest of us also have a duty to help parents raising kids. Because the whole country loses out when kids grow up with problems.

Yes I agree that theirs a chance that people could grow up to lose money based on these ads and my opinion on that won't change, that's their choice. The average 18year old would say for example do a few euro bets here and there nothing major. It's up to them then if they want to chase and develop that further. I know people with gambling addictions and what it does to them, getting paid Thursday asking for a loan Friday. As a poster above said, he made a choice to then quit. Ad's shouldn't be banned because people may get a gambling addictions. In relation to the 'normalization' of betting and sports. It's developed over time if people want to see that as a good or bad thing I believe that's personal perspective. For me, the more bookies are the more chance I personally have of making use of the signup offers and getting money. So it benefits me. It doesn't effect me if some person elsewhere has a gambling addiction. I want what suits me. Selfish, but alas.

Pro. F wrote: »

You are mistaken in thinking that advertisements are a service for people who like the product. They are not. They are a service for people who sell the product, in order that they might convince more people to buy the product. The people who like to gamble would lose nothing from the ads not being on TV, they would still be able to gamble and the bookies would still make the same offers.

And again on the minority thing. You aren't getting that modern, functioning countries look after the interests of their minorities. That's a large part of what makes the modern world a better place to live.

The only point I would make on this is that the advertisements have a service for customers. As watching current games you may get a ''Half time price boost'' E.G 0-0 HT. Giroud First goal 10/1, other bookies have 8/1 etc.

Obviously the bookies want this to lose, but I was just giving an example that current users do benefit from the advertisements.

Korat

Jabari Happy Test wrote: »

You can make guaranteed profit by laying your free bets on the exchange. You obviously don't understand this and possibly don't want to either as it won't suit your position.

I think you don't understand the arrangement you've entered into if you think you've got something for nothing.

Why can't anyone just explain clearly where the guaranteed profit is?

If it's too complicated a system for you to fully explain to someone unfamiliar with online betting then just say so.

Shanotheslayer

Korat wrote: »

I think you don't understand the arrangement you've entered into if you think you've got something for nothing.

Why can't anyone just explain clearly where the guaranteed profit is?

If it's too complicated a system for you to fully explain to someone unfamiliar with online betting then just say so.

If anybody doesn't understand the maths and the use of bookies it's difficult to explain HOW it can be done.

But the point of the matter is it CAN be done

kippy

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

If anybody doesn't understand the maths and the use of bookies it's difficult to explain HOW it can be done.

But the point of the matter is it CAN be done

You do realise that while it can be done its generally irrelevant to this thread.

eagle eye

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

The advertisement you're talking about tends to be for sports not stocks/poker/blackjack. If you watch poker on TV I notice that sometimes bookies have poker ads, not sports ads etc.

So a 17 year old should never witness a gambling advert? You're talking about kids watching TV, so a 17 year old doesn't go to bed at 7-8PM, so what time would you like the advertisements to start at?

I think you're being far to overprotective in this sense. My way of looking at is,

Younger kids, 10-13/14 wouldn't even notice this stuff I imagine.

The older end 15-17 are old enough for you to have a serious conversation about the seriousness of gambling and the likes.

You want gambling to not exist, that's not going to happen. Many people have given you solutions to resolve the problem you currently have with the adverts being shown and ways to avoid them, but that's not good enough for you. You won't be happy until you get exactly what you want.

Well your opinion is wrong, my 8 year old notices everything.

When did I say I don't want gambling to exist? Honestly you just seem to take a notion about things.

I said I don't want my kids exposed to it. I don't want gambling adverts during the day to protect my kids, I don't want gambling adverts during the day so that I have to prevent my kids watching sport in tv.

eagle eye

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

If anybody doesn't understand the maths and the use of bookies it's difficult to explain HOW it can be done.

But the point of the matter is it CAN be done

If you are talking about arbing then you are talking rubbish. I know for a fact that you will get shut down when they realise you are arbing and they realise it pretty quickly and won't allow you to bet anymore than a couple of cents.

Shanotheslayer

kippy wrote: »

You do realise that while it can be done its generally irrelevant to this thread.

It's relevant when people are saying that everybody loses money and there's no such thing as guarenteed profit, which is what was mentioned

Korat

While tobacco and alcohol have been rightly discouraged in society and their abuse has decreased I think the current free-for-all with gambling advertising is creating a new and imminent threat of abuse.

I don't believe in prohibition but I think it's unacceptable to allow bookmakers to not only maintain their business but create new demand through elaborate and expensive marketing.

Legal gambling satisfies a demand which would otherwise go to the blackmarket but it shouldn't be allowed to be a destructive industry which reaches into peoples homes without invitation.

Shanotheslayer

eagle eye wrote: »

If you are talking about arbing then you are talking rubbish. I know for a fact that you will get shut down when they realise you are arbing and they realise it pretty quickly and won't allow you to bet anymore than a couple of cents.

Talking rubbish?

If you read back previously I mentioned multiple times about arbing and that it was possible. If you have the intelligence to do it right you will get minimal bans as different bookies will be used and don't do round off numbers i.e 37.64 bet.

I've arbed many of times and I'm banned from no websites because of arbing.

Korat

Korat wrote: »

I think you don't understand the arrangement you've entered into if you think you've got something for nothing.

Why can't anyone just explain clearly where the guaranteed profit is?

If it's too complicated a system for you to fully explain to someone unfamiliar with online betting then just say so.

Here's one site that explains how to do it.

http://www.stake-and-win.com/bonus-hunting

Honestly, stop telling people they don't understand things when you literally haven't a rashers what you're talking about.

eagle eye

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Talking rubbish?

If you read back previously I mentioned multiple times about arbing and that it was possible. If you have the intelligence to do it right you will get minimal bans as different bookies will be used and don't do round off numbers i.e 37.64 bet.

I've arbed many of times and I'm banned from no websites because of arbing.

Well I'm willing to call you on that and say that imo based on all your comments in this thread that you are a loser at gambling and bigger than you like to let on.

Shanotheslayer

eagle eye wrote: »

Well I'm willing to call you on that and say that imo based on all your comments in this thread that you are a loser at gambling and bigger than you like to let on.

Lol ok. There's screenshots of my folders that I use
https://gyazo.com/5731299569f17b3ea7ef045bd3100d9a

https://gyazo.com/744d45d7bf7239233e09a04906a77b4c

https://gyazo.com/20b6d6a2c5d146a5e6a6ef976400887c

and this is a screenshot of some of my results so far:

https://gyazo.com/93ff986e0e3029619ecb0835ee62687b

But hey, you jump to conclusions there. Honestly makes no difference to me. I've profited the last 2 years since i've started tracking my bets and monitoring. Some months bad, some very good.

kippy

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Lol ok. There's screenshots of my folders that I use
https://gyazo.com/5731299569f17b3ea7ef045bd3100d9a

https://gyazo.com/744d45d7bf7239233e09a04906a77b4c

https://gyazo.com/20b6d6a2c5d146a5e6a6ef976400887c

and this is a screenshot of some of my results so far:

https://gyazo.com/93ff986e0e3029619ecb0835ee62687b

But hey, you jump to conclusions there. Honestly makes no difference to me. I've profited the last 2 years since i've started tracking my bets and monitoring. Some months bad, some very good.

Good for you.
Now back on topic. What impact would banning gambling advertisements and sponsorship in sport have on you?

Korat

Jabari Happy Test wrote: »

Honestly, stop telling people they don't understand things when you literally haven't a rashers what you're talking about.

You don't understand the risks of gambling beyond your instant fix.

Shanotheslayer

kippy wrote: »

Good for you.
Now back on topic. What impact would banning gambling advertisements and sponsorship in sport have on you?

It was in reply to what eagleeye said as I was proving a point but thanks.


Probably none at this stage tbh. Aside from In play enchanced bets.

kippy

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

It was in reply to what eagleeye said as I was proving a point but thanks.


Probably none at this stage tbh. Aside from In play enchanced bets.

You can prove very little with the type of evidence presented but lets park that for now.

Anyway, back on topic again.
You reckon you'd loose out on enhanced in play bets - you don't think the bookies would offer these anyway without the ability to advertise?