Lahvlahn Thread from 12/01/17 - Now we're talking

Red Kev

Bodhran wrote: »

Well I think it's safe to say that the nuns themselves didn't physically put the remains of the poor unfortunate children in the septic tank/chamber but it had to have been done with their (the nuns) full knowledge and therefore, that makes them responsible.

A nun (a grown woman) is perfectly capable of picking up an infant or small child, wrapping them in a cloth, tieing them up, carrying them down a tunnel and placing them where they were left.

We've read constantly that the kids were emaciated and malnourished. Safe to say there were no grossly obese kids amongst them. Also, the more you can do yourself, the more you can cover up.

Ally Dick

Nobody should have to suffer what that poor woman did

Bodhran

Red Kev wrote: »

A nun (a grown woman) is perfectly capable of picking up an infant or small child, wrapping them in a cloth, tieing them up, carrying them down a tunnel and placing them where they were left.

We've read constantly that the kids were emaciated and malnourished. Safe to say there were no grossly obese kids amongst them. Also, the more you can do yourself, the more you can cover up.

I don't disagree with you. It doesn't really make any difference whether the nuns carried our the actual burial or whether they caused the burial to be carried out, the nuns bear the responsibility.

CarrickMcJoe

Sacksian wrote: »

CarrickMcJoe wrote: »

Listening to Hook earlier,he won't read, look or listen to anything about Tuam as it's too sickening.....and then there's Joe !!!!

I'm not a fan of Joe Duffy, but these stories HAVE to be told and he's provided an outlet to that woman. Ignoring or silencing these experiences was part of the problem.

I agree totally but he doesn't have to put her through this much just to get to 3 o clock.

Right2Write

Red Kev wrote: »

A nun (a grown woman) is perfectly capable of picking up an infant or small child, wrapping them in a cloth, tieing them up, carrying them down a tunnel and placing them where they were left.

We've read constantly that the kids were emaciated and malnourished. Safe to say there were no grossly obese kids amongst them. Also, the more you can do yourself, the more you can cover up.

They were more likely to have used a local handyman, gardener etc. Plenty of men worked in and about these places for practical reasons.

Before we congratulate ourselves on the back though, one of the main things that separates our societies attitude now to back then, is that women have access to a whole range of social welfare supports.

And plenty of people here like to have a go at the excesses and abuse by women of these supports and sometimes rightly so.

Laois_Man

According to the report of the Inter-Departmental Group on Mother and Baby Homes via Department of Children and Youth Affairs, this is what the 796 babies died from

pilly

Right2Write wrote: »

They were more likely to have used a local handyman, gardener etc. Plenty of men worked in and about these places for practical reasons.

Before we congratulate ourselves on the back though, one of the main things that separates our societies attitude now to back then, is that women have access to a whole range of social welfare supports.

And plenty of people here like to have a go at the excesses and abuse by women of these supports and sometimes rightly so.

I've never had a go at anyone for the abuse of the system, sure it goes on but it's a small price to pay for knowing that women are able to keep children and live a bearable life.

Sittingpretty

I can't not comment.

That woman's story, and she's one of SO many, absolutely heartbreaking. I can't even begin to imagine the absolute fear, loss, grief, terrible pain, all ignored. And it's all so fresh in her mind, it sounds like it happened last week so absolutely awful.

I'm horrified. As a person, as a woman, as a mother.

I'm 40 this year and was convent schooled. Bitches nuns were, almost without exception, bitter, hard nosed, cruel bitches.

And those women's families consigned them, and their unborn babies into the 'care' of those monsters

muggles

I just can't get my head around the number of these Mother & Baby homes, Magdalene and other Laundries, Orphanages, Industrial Schools etc. across the country in times past. There were three of those institutions in our local town alone! So, so sad - everything - the bullying and influence the Church had over people, the way humans treated and abused other humans, whether they be clergy, family or otherwise.

vicwatson

muggles wrote: »

I just can't get my head around the number of these Mother & Baby homes, Magdalene and other Laundries, Orphanages, Industrial Schools etc. across the country in times past. There were three of those institutions in our local town alone! So, so sad - everything - the bullying and influence the Church had over people, the way humans treated and abused other humans, whether they be clergy, family or otherwise.

They are all power trippers, we need to knock that power away from them.

ButtersSuki

Roger_007 wrote: »

I'm surprised that the government set up a commission of inquiry into the baby homes scandal when they could simply have handed the whole thing over to Duffy and the Liveline crew.

It was cheaper to set up the Commision than to pay Joe's fees.

Atlantic Dawn

A poor poor salt o'de earth working woman in her 40's has her livelihood taken away from her, she was only trying to make a few pound as an entrepenuuuuueeerrrrr so to speak...

AN IRISH WOMAN in her 40s was questioned after 27,600 cigarettes and 3.8kg of tobacco was seized in a Dublin house.

The seizure was part of an intelligence led operation focusing on the illicit tobacco trade in Moore Street in Dublin’s City Centre.

The retail value of the contraband is over €16,300, representing a potential loss to the Exchequer of approximately €13,000.

http://www.thejournal.ie/cigarettes-seized-moore-street-3275035-Mar2017/

pilly

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

A poor poor salt o'de earth working woman in her 40's has her livelihood taken away from her, she was only trying to make a few pound as an entrepenuuuuueeerrrrr so to speak...



http://www.thejournal.ie/cigarettes-seized-moore-street-3275035-Mar2017/

To be fair, that is peanuts.

furiousox

That f..king organisation is about nothing only power and control, and still thousands of dopey SHEEP flock through their doors every weekend. :mad:
I can't understand it, what will it take for people to wake up and shake of their self-imposed shackles?
It's a criminal organisation, responsible for organised murder and paedophilia worldwide and I despise it with every fibre of my being.
I would spray paint 'MURDERERS' & 'SHAME' on every poxy church in town if I thought I would get away with it.
Sorry for the rant but I'm really affected by what I heard today.

Park Royal

furiousox wrote: »

That f..king organisation is about nothing only power and control, and still thousands of dopey SHEEP flock through their doors every weekend. :mad:
I can't understand it, what will it take for people to wake up and shake of their self-imposed shackles?
It's a criminal organisation, responsible for organised murder and paedophilia worldwide and I despise it with every fibre of my being.
I would spray paint 'MURDERERS' & 'SHAME' on every poxy church in town if I thought I would get away with it.
Sorry for the rant but I'm really affected by what I heard today.

the great part was we all told our deepest sins to them in confession.......can you imagine it.....all the women, men, youths , children, and them all listening.......controlling.....watching.....checking if your aunt was seeing a man
for example.....(true)

pilly

Park Royal wrote: »

the great part was we all told our deepest sins to them in confession.......can you imagine it.....all the women, men, youths , children, and them all listening.......controlling.....watching.....checking if your aunt was seeing a man
for example.....(true)

Ah I only ever told them I lied to me Ma and fought with me sister. They were the standard sins.

Hitchens

pilly wrote: »

Ah I only ever told them I lied to me Ma and fought with me sister. They were the standard sins.

"the priest in confession condemns my obsession
with thoughts that I do not invite,
I mumble and stutter
he slams down the shutter, goodnight"

(goodnight ta you too faader)

Dan Jaman

Suppose you just make stuff up, to wind the feckur up?

goose2005

Fujitsu10 wrote: »

This will be interesting, how come Dublin expect to have a combined Fibergade and Hambulance service while the rest of the country rely on a National call centre for these services?
Maybe because it's the Capital and after all the boys and girls in the Dublin Fibergade must be treated different to the rest of us??? :rolleyes:

Dublin: 1,381 people per km2
Other 25 counties: 41 people per km2

PeterTheNinth

You'd have to laugh at Joe Duffy saying "Oh we were all responsible". I hope when you say "we", Joe, you are referring to RTE. RTE were in the perfect position to report on this sort of thing, but always bowed to the Church when it was put up to them. Gay Byrne was the only one in there who was prepared to tackle the Church while the rest of them bowed and said their prayers. And then when it became popular to bash the Church, and RTE jumped on the bandwagon, they got it all wrong and cos the State 12 million. So while you spending time talking about corrupt, closed minded institutions, Joe, you might do an oul show on that organisation you work for yourself.

/rant
ahhhhhh... I needed that.

manodepeeple

vicwatson wrote: »

Paul in all his "glory" :rolleyes:

"I hear they're taking the Golden Cleric off Fr. Paul, Ted. Any idea why, at all?"

pilly

Only got to listen to the show yesterday evening and I swear to god that Fr Paul drove me mental, how I didn't crash the car I'll never know.

He continually said "IF bodies were found" as if it hasn't been proven.

And then wondered if it was the same place his father was in as if there were 2 homes in Tuam!!

Infuriating. Joe did pull him up quite a bit but I was screaming at him to call him up on repeatedly saying IF bodies were found. There is no IF anymore.

Atlantic Dawn

De 2-17 Joe Duffy Wurkday Calculator and dat:

Wurkdays in 2-17 to date so to speak: 47
Joe Shows: 41
No Show Joe Shows: 6
PBH Shows: 0
D'Omen Shows: 6
AN Udder Shows: 0

Atlantic Dawn

T'day...
The tragic deaths today
De Tuam babies

I shall not be listening

sligojoek

I picked the wrong week to take a few days off.

thesandeman

I'm guessing the increase in the price of a postage stamp will take up at least half the show.

Oops69

Whatever come up on today's show , the word 'communideee' will appear several times....the communideeeee in con- Dakin , the communideeeee post office , the communideee in chew-am , etc.

Roger_007

thesandeman wrote: »

I'm guessing the increase in the price of a postage stamp will take up at least half the show.

What's a postage stamp?

SEPT 23 1989

a whopping 28cent:rolleyes:

Roger_007

Shock Tan Na GaleGa..........whopee!

Dan Jaman

"Top of the World, Joe."

"Well, I'll soon fix that, caller."

2smiggy

will they be trying to find worse stories every day this week ? The postage stamps , or palarmanians would be a welcome change

Fujitsu10

Was there no nice priests like Ted and Dougal??

2smiggy

' and what was the army like caller ? '

' worse than the orphanage Joe '

PeterTheNinth

He's really hamming this up isn't he. Like a one man play or something.

Roger_007

I've never heard any of these people, who were 'boarded out' to farmers, have a good word to say about their treatment. Are all farmers in Ireland heartless ba$tards?

Dan Jaman

There at the right time for a deafness claim, too.

Dan Jaman

Roger_007 wrote: »

I've never heard any of these people, who were 'boarded out' to farmers, have a good word to say about their treatment. Are all farmers in Ireland heartless ba$tards?

I know a few that aren't.
I've heard of, and met, a few that are.

Roger_007

Dan Jaman wrote: »

There at the right time for a deafness claim, too.

WHA?

PeterTheNinth

Why does he keep calling Duffy "Sir". He's like the farm labourer Ted on The Fast Show.

Mena Mitty

Roger_007 wrote: »

I've never heard any of these people, who were 'boarded out' to farmers, have a good word to say about their treatment. Are all farmers in Ireland heartless ba$tards?

Well Joe should ask them when boarded out to farmers did they sleep in the farmhouse or in the shed alongside the animals.

Fujitsu10

PeterTheNinth wrote: »

Why does he keep calling Duffy "Sir". He's like the farm labourer Ted on The Fast Show.

The "Sir" is probably coming from his Army experience.

Dan Jaman

Some of this rings a bell...
By the sound of it, I think some of the Bon Secours nuns left the order and went on to run nursing homes for profit.

Roger_007

So, after being treated like a dog by the farming family, he went back to visit them?

Dan Jaman

Fujitsu10 wrote: »

The "Sir" is probably coming from his Army experience.

Just becomes automatic - often meant with irony, but Joe laps it up.

Oops69

Thanks Mr De VAlera , his free state handed this country's social services over to the pyschopaths of the Catholic Church ,traitor

Roger_007

Oops69 wrote: »

Thanks Mr De VAlera , his free state handed this country's social services over to the pyschopaths of the Catholic Church ,traitor

All this stuff puts the 1916 hype of last year into some sort of context. There was, and is, nothing to celebrate about our independence!

SEPT 23 1989

surprised these kids didnt go back as adults and get revenge on these psychopaths

somesoldiers

Remember reading Ma he Sold me for a few cigarettes- harrowing

Fujitsu10

Oops69 wrote: »

Thanks Mr De VAlera , his free state handed this country's social services over to the pyschopaths of the Catholic Church ,traitor

I agree, but there was lots of opportunity for those that came after him to sort it out if they were interested.