Complaint about haunted bread on Late Late Show

donkeykong5

donkeykong5 wrote: »

realdanbreen wrote: »

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I know, it must be like finding intelligence at a Healy-Rae/Lowry fundraiser.

I know what you mean, those millionaires healy-rae and Lowry must be fair stupid!

Nothing at all wrong with healy-are family. Brilliant guys.

Sorry healy-rae. I meant.

Cabaal

realdanbreen wrote: »

Are you serious? You feel your rights and freedoms are restricted? What are you restricted from doing and what are you not free to do if you really want to?

If you have to ask there's no point in detailing stuff in this thread, read the other threads in this forum to see how the church lobbys hard to restrict the rights and freedoms of people as young as 4 and in the past how they lobbied hard to stop state marriage being extended to lesbians and gays.

MrPudding

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Hmmm. This might explain why I am having so much trouble getting my non-stamp collectors club up and running...

MrP

J C

MrPudding wrote: »

Hmmm. This might explain why I am having so much trouble getting my non-stamp collectors club up and running...

MrP

Whatever about your non-stamp collectors club ... there is certainly a very vocal Atheist lobby in this country and on this forum ... amazing that such a thing exists even though some Atheists claim to have nothing in common with each other.

Somebody is incorrect ... and the evidence would suggest its the people who claim that Atheists have nothing in common with each other and/or cannot organise themselves to work together to common ends.

RabbleRouser2k

J C wrote: »

Whatever about your non-stamp collectors club ... there is certainly a very vocal Atheist lobby in this country and on this forum ... amazing that such a thing exists even though some Atheists claim to have nothing in common with each other.

Somebody is incorrect ... and the evidence would suggest its the people who claim that Atheists have nothing in common with each other and/or cannot organise themselves to work together to common ends.

That's something that I also find odd-and I say this as someone who's like 'meh, I'm spiritual'-but I don't go anywhere on a sunday morning. I don't want the hassle.

Which is why I find it odd when I hear of atheist ireland meetings-surely a lot of that is just hassle, why not just send a newsletter?

Surely that's just as irritating as going to mass? Different day, same hassle.

Hotblack Desiato

The purpose of these meetings (afaik - I've never been to an AI meeting, am not a member, but have read some of their circulars) is really secularism, but from an atheist viewpoint. AI cooperate with other secularist organisations (which, apart from the Humanist Association of Ireland, are all theists!)

Of course minority religions are OK with secularism as it suits them. The majority religion is, of course, bitterly opposed to secularism.

The question was raised before here, would not Atheist Ireland be better named Secularist Ireland? I would disagree, because there are other secularist organisations, and if every shade of theism gets to have its own organisation there should also be one to represent the atheist point of view.

Trent Houseboat

This latest tantrum from the religious snowflakes appears, as expected, to have been a waste of everyone's time.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/it-s-okay-to-call-communion-wafer-haunted-bread-on-irish-television-1.3175639

lawred2

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

This latest tantrum from the religious snowflakes appears, as expected, to have been a waste of everyone's time.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/it-s-okay-to-call-communion-wafer-haunted-bread-on-irish-television-1.3175639

majority rather than unanimous decision

Some people on the BAI actually saw merit in the complaints.

magicbastarder

"90-page report".

kylith

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

This latest tantrum from the religious snowflakes appears, as expected, to have been a waste of everyone's time.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/it-s-okay-to-call-communion-wafer-haunted-bread-on-irish-television-1.3175639

How can they complain about what is Catholic doctrine? If you take the literal Catholic view of transubstantiation then eating it is cannibalism. If you take the figurative view, that it is imbued with the spirit of Jesus then it is bread that is haunted. If they have issue with this then they can take it up with their priest. You can't go getting all 'that's blasphemous' just because Blind Boy put it bluntly and in plain language.

frostyjacks

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

This latest tantrum from the religious snowflakes appears, as expected, to have been a waste of everyone's time.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/it-s-okay-to-call-communion-wafer-haunted-bread-on-irish-television-1.3175639

Because the oh so tolerant liberals would never whine about something that upsets them.

http://www.thejournal.ie/abortion-advertisement-northern-ireland-3526129-Aug2017/

Trent Houseboat

frostyjacks wrote:

Because the oh so tolerant liberals would never whine about something that upsets them.

http://www.thejournal.ie/abortion-ad...26129-Aug2017/

Your post has nothing to do with my post, I don't know why you quoted me. Unless you had nothing of value to add so are trying to deflect.

Seems more suited to the abortion thread no?

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realdanbreen

kylith wrote: »

How can they complain about what is Catholic doctrine? If you take the literal Catholic view of transubstantiation then eating it is cannibalism. If you take the figurative view, that it is imbued with the spirit of Jesus then it is bread that is haunted. If they have issue with this then they can take it up with their priest. You can't go getting all 'that's blasphemous' just because Blind Boy put it bluntly and in plain language.

Oh yeah Blind boy. Is that well heeled Blindboy from a posh part of Limerick who puts on a Limerick working class accent to stick it to the man?

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kylith

realdanbreen wrote: »

Oh yeah Blind boy. Is that well heeled Blindboy from a posh part of Limerick who puts on a Limerick working class accent to stick it to the man?

What does that have to do with anything?

realdanbreen

kylith wrote: »

What does that have to do with anything?

It's putting blindboy and his musing in context. Pretending to be something that he most definitely is not tells a lot about him IMO.

frostyjacks

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

Your post has nothing to do with my post, I don't know why you quoted me. Unless you had nothing of value to add so are trying to deflect.

Seems more suited to the abortion thread no?

You use the term 'religious snowflakes' to describe those who complained about the offensive material. I'm showing you that the other side can complain just as much.

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I love the way some posters start with 'we don't care...' Are you speaking for all 10,000 boards members or just yourself.

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magicbastarder

realdanbreen wrote: »

Pretending to be something that he most definitely is not tells a lot about him IMO.

well, *you're* not real but are pretending to be?

Trent Houseboat

frostyjacks wrote: »

You use the term 'religious snowflakes' to describe those who complained about the offensive material. I'm showing you that the other side can complain just as much.

The other side in this is RTÉ/Blindboy. Your example is irrelevant derailment.

Hotblack Desiato

magicbastarder wrote: »

"90-page report".

Our tax euros at work :rolleyes:

Just wait until the repeal amendment campaign actually starts... the rate things are going, RTE will probably prohibit the use of the word 'abortion' due to fear of being sued by the god botherers.

looksee

I know someone who uses the word 'abortion' as in 'its a complete abortion' to mean made a mess of. It really grates with me - I think because it is using a word of really some significance in such a casual way.

magicbastarder

just out of curiosity, i had a look to see who's on the board which would have drawn up the report - "The Compliance Committee is responsible for the monitoring and enforcement of compliance, the investigation of complaints and a number of reporting functions. The Committee has eight members; four of whom are appointed by the Government on the nomination of the Minister, while the remaining four are appointed by the Authority, comprising of two members of the Authority and two members of the BAI Executive"

Comments on who they are - in italics - are mine, lifted from online sources.

Member & Term-End Date
Professor Kevin Rafter (Chair), 19/01/2020 - Professor of Political Communication at Dublin City University
Ms Paula Mullooly, 20/01/2020 - solicitor with A&L goodbody with 'extensive experience in media law'
Mr Nigel Heneghan, 16/02/2020 - runs a PR company, 'serves on the Board of the Public Relations Consultants Association in Ireland'
Ms Eileen Maher, 16/02/2020 - '30 years in the telecoms industry with commercial and technical experience'

Nominated Authority Members
Dr Rosemary Day - Head of the Department of Media and Communication Studies in Mary Immaculate College
Prof Maeve McDonagh - 'Legal academic specialising in information law' - UCC

Nominated Executive Members
Dr CiarKissane - Senior Manger with the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland
Ms Anne O’Brien - lecturer in media studies, maynooth

Hotblack Desiato

Maynooth and Mary I :rolleyes:

John Watery used to be on that.

Pherekydes

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Maynooth and Mary I :rolleyes:

John Watery used to be on that.

What's wrong with Maynooth? It's an NUI, like UCD, UCC and UCG (NUIG).

magicbastarder

yes, i don't think we should confuse maynooth seminary with maynooth college.

Hotblack Desiato

NUI's 'academics' used to be priest ridden, I imagine that mindset persisted there longer than in the likes of UCD.

Peregrinus

looksee wrote: »

I know someone who uses the word 'abortion' as in 'its a complete abortion' to mean made a mess of. It really grates with me - I think because it is using a word of really some significance in such a casual way.

Depending on context, this may be a correct use. An abortion is what happens when a process, scheme or sequence is aborted (stopped from proceeding by being interrupted, or abandoned, or whatever).

So, if you've got a complete mess because something has gone wrong in the execution of a plan or an intention, yeah, that's an abortion. Whereas if you execute your plans fully and correctly, and the outcome is still a mess, that's not an abortion. It's just the outcome of what was probably a bad plan to begin with.

mikhail

magicbastarder wrote: »

just out of curiosity, i had a look to see who's on the board which would have drawn up the report - "The Compliance Committee is responsible for the monitoring and enforcement of compliance, the investigation of complaints and a number of reporting functions. The Committee has eight members; four of whom are appointed by the Government on the nomination of the Minister, while the remaining four are appointed by the Authority, comprising of two members of the Authority and two members of the BAI Executive"

Comments on who they are - in italics - are mine, lifted from online sources.

Member & Term-End Date
Professor Kevin Rafter (Chair), 19/01/2020 - Professor of Political Communication at Dublin City University
Ms Paula Mullooly, 20/01/2020 - solicitor with A&L goodbody with 'extensive experience in media law'
Mr Nigel Heneghan, 16/02/2020 - runs a PR company, 'serves on the Board of the Public Relations Consultants Association in Ireland'
Ms Eileen Maher, 16/02/2020 - '30 years in the telecoms industry with commercial and technical experience'

Nominated Authority Members
Dr Rosemary Day - Head of the Department of Media and Communication Studies in Mary Immaculate College
Prof Maeve McDonagh - 'Legal academic specialising in information law' - UCC

Nominated Executive Members
Dr CiarKissane - Senior Manger with the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland
Ms Anne O’Brien - lecturer in media studies, maynooth

6/8 are women (assuming one of Rosemary or Paula or the others isn't a great big Kerryman with a beard like a rhododendron bush). Not that there's anything wrong with women, but they are more often religious (I don't think that's controversial, but here's a source), and there'd be comments if it were 75% men.

Peregrinus

mikhail wrote: »

6/8 are women (assuming one of Rosemary or Paula or the others isn't a great big Kerryman with a beard like a rhododendron bush). Not that there's anything wrong with women, but they are more often religious (I don't think that's controversial, but here's a source), and there'd be comments if it were 75% men.

You fool! You're missing the obvious! Don't you see that eight out of the eight are Irish, and Irish people are conspicuously more likely to be Catholic than residents of neighbouring countries!

The whole thing is obviously a sinister plot by the Catholic church! :rolleyes:

realdanbreen

mikhail wrote: »

. Not that there's anything wrong with women, .

Samaris

looksee wrote: »

I know someone who uses the word 'abortion' as in 'its a complete abortion' to mean made a mess of. It really grates with me - I think because it is using a word of really some significance in such a casual way.

Not come across that, but that is a ridiculous phrase. Let us go back to making balls of things as God and Wikitionary intended!

nozzferrahhtoo

frostyjacks wrote: »

Because the oh so tolerant liberals would never whine about something that upsets them.

A tenuous and weak segway at best, but not the same thing at all either. There is a difference between getting uppity and offended because you do not like how something was described.......... and taking issue with something that is positively misleading.

In this case, when it was reported, it was ruled NOT to be misleading. But that does not question the intention of the people who highlighted it for such review and suggested it was.

ENTIRELY different to getting haughty and foot stampy because you are personally offended or upset. If that is the best counter example you can find to hold up against the one the thread is about then you have made your "side" look worse, not better.

frostyjacks wrote: »

You use the term 'religious snowflakes' to describe those who complained about the offensive material. I'm showing you that the other side can complain just as much.

But again the example you gave was not someone complaining merely because they were some personally offended snowflake. They complained because they were under the opinion that the advertisement in question was positively misleading and dishonest.

apples and oranges son, apples and oranges.

realdanbreen wrote: »

Oh yeah Blind boy. Is that well heeled Blindboy from a posh part of Limerick who puts on a Limerick working class accent to stick it to the man?

So we are switching to ad hominem attacks against a personal accent and financial background, rather than discussing further the actual topic of the thread? Well that says a lot.

realdanbreen wrote: »

It's putting blindboy and his musing in context. Pretending to be something that he most definitely is not tells a lot about him IMO.

SHOCK HEADLINE: Media personality has on stage persona that actually differs from his own!

On page two: Water is wet, and wind can blow paper off tables.

Any other ground breaking revelations in the world of the obvious you can add for us today?

magicbastarder

realdanbreen wrote: »

It's putting blindboy and his musing in context. Pretending to be something that he most definitely is not tells a lot about him IMO.

you mean he *doesn't* walk around - and sleep, and everything else - with a plastic shopping bag over his head all the time?
next you'll be telling me jesus is not real.

mikhail

Peregrinus wrote: »

You fool! You're missing the obvious! Don't you see that eight out of the eight are Irish, and Irish people are conspicuously more likely to be Catholic than residents of neighbouring countries!

The whole thing is obviously a sinister plot by the Catholic church! :rolleyes:

Well, now that you mention it, there's a conspicuous under-representation of ducks on the panel, too.

Peregrinus

mikhail wrote: »

Well, now that you mention it, there's a conspicuous under-representation of ducks on the panel, too.

It's quiet on that panel. Too quiet.

magicbastarder

mikhail wrote: »

Not that there's anything wrong with women

i just had to pullquote that.

realdanbreen

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

So we are switching to ad hominem attacks against a personal accent and financial background, rather than discussing further the actual topic of the thread? Well that says a lot.

Bet you were waiting all week to get 'ad hominem' into one of your lengthy posts nozz. There was no 'attack' as you well know . Blindboys attempt to get right down there with his fake Souhill/Moyross accent hasn't cut much ice in Limerick for many a day.

kylith

realdanbreen wrote: »

It's putting blindboy and his musing in context. Pretending to be something that he most definitely is not tells a lot about him IMO.

So, if someone from Ballymun had elocution lessons we should disregard their opinion?

What does his accent, real or fake, have to do with the point he made? Do you actually have any comment on what he said rather than what inflection he was using when he said it?

realdanbreen

kylith wrote: »

So, if someone from Ballymun had elocution lessons we should disregard their opinion?

What does his accent, real or fake, have to do with the point he made? Do you actually have any comment on what he said rather than what inflection he was using when he said it?

If someone from Shrewesbury road was pretending to be from Ballymun then you would take that into account when listening to what they had to say, pretty simple really.

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Neither do I.

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realdanbreen

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Obviously I am not making sense to you but I'm afraid I can't really help you there. Take a bit of time and look back at what I posted and see how that goes.

nozzferrahhtoo

realdanbreen wrote: »

Bet you were waiting all week to get 'ad hominem' into one of your lengthy posts nozz. There was no 'attack' as you well know . Blindboys attempt to get right down there with his fake Souhill/Moyross accent hasn't cut much ice in Limerick for many a day.

See you are now even making it personal about me, but still not backing up any of the positions or discussing the actual thread topic.

A persons accent and financial background have nothing whatsoever to do with the validity of what they say. But if you can not rebut what they say, dissing something about their personality is likely the only route left open.

realdanbreen wrote: »

If someone from Shrewesbury road was pretending to be from Ballymun then you would take that into account when listening to what they had to say, pretty simple really.

Not if their pretense was part of their media stage persona. There is a WORLD of difference between pretending you are someone other than you are because you are a liar........ and doing so because it is part of your stage persona.

2+2 remains 4 regardless of whether you say it as yourself, or you dress up like Mr Pussy in drag and pretend to be a women and THEN say it.

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kylith

realdanbreen wrote: »

If someone from Shrewesbury road was pretending to be from Ballymun then you would take that into account when listening to what they had to say, pretty simple really.

OK. Now answer my other two questions.