Clay Farm, Leopardstown, Dublin 18

An Bórd Pleanála has refused planning permission for a major housing development in south Dublin, which would have seen the construction of 927 residential units.


Developer Michael Cotter’s firm Viscount Securities has submitted plans for a total of 365 houses and 562 apartments at Clay Farm in Leopardstown under the Government’s new “fast-track” planning system.
However, Bórd Pleanála said the applicant had not provided adequate information in relation to storm water management in the area, which is prone to flooding.


The decision to refuse was decided by a casting vote from the board’s chairperson.
In its ruling, the Board said “considerable uncertainties regarding the issue of drainage across the entire site remained, sufficient to preclude these options”.


Viscount Securities has submitted plans for the site under the Government’s Strategic Housing Development system which allows developers bypass local-authority planning processes for developments of more than 100 homes, or blocks of 200 student bedspaces.


The system was brought in last year to address the current housing crisis.
Viscount’s proposal was the largest residential housing development awaiting planning approval under the system.


A €300 million on-campus accommodation complex at University College Dublin (UCD) was the first development to be formally approved under the new system last week. The university was granted permission for the development, comprising six multistorey blocks with 2,178 bedspaces, in just over three months.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/construction/major-housing-development-in-south-dublin-refused-planning-permission-1.3357255

heebusjeebus

So what about the houses that have been built and sold already?

Username2011

heebusjeebus wrote: »

So what about the houses that have been built and sold already?

Is there a flood risk around the ones already built?

heebusjeebus

Username2011 wrote: »

Is there a flood risk around the ones already built?

The area for for this development runs right by the Ballyogan stream so I'd assume so.
Maybe the developers just need to increase drainage and re-apply.

awec

The first set of houses went through the standard planning process so you would imagine they would have had the drainage requirements met.

Cuddlesworth

awec wrote: »

The first set of houses went through the standard planning process so you would imagine they would have had the drainage requirements met.

Putting a estate of that size in creates drainage problems.

selous

All along that side of the road before the Luas line and road widening there were gullys and ditches in behind the hedges that used to take all the water from the road, when the heavy rain came you could see the fields flooded but the road was rarely flooded, after the road was widened, the road flooded right at the entrance there and around the entrance to Glenbourne estate. remedial works were done immediately, what was done I don't know.

Asalbeag

Hi
For anyone that has signed contracts who have you followed up with regarding snagging / closing dates etc? Savills or Park?

emmad

Hi all, we have just signed contracts too and so thanks for all the useful info! We have same question about snagging/closing

Also if you moved in already -
- Were you happy with quality of appliances installed? (Were they the same as the showhouse)
- was the staircase painted?

Also I just read the Phase 1 planning permission which was granted back in 2015 and it def went through the full planning process and so all flooding and drainage requirements will have to be met.

Thanks all! Happy to share info as we learn more too.

shanedunne2000

Asalbeag wrote: »

Hi
For anyone that has signed contracts who have you followed up with regarding snagging / closing dates etc? Savills or Park?

We snagged today, Jan 15. Park should be able to give you a date for snagging.

shanedunne2000

shanedunne2000 wrote: »

We snagged today, Jan 15. Park should be able to give you a date for snagging.

Sorry Jan 17th...

emmad

Whereabouts is your house located Shane? How long ago did you return contracts?

We heard today from agent that snagging is being completed on Larkfield Place at the moment

Asalbeag

shanedunne2000 wrote: »

We snagged today, Jan 15. Park should be able to give you a date for snagging.

Thanks Shane. We only signed contracts at the start of the month as we're in next phase 1B i think. Another few weeks until they'll be ready to snag.

emmad

Hi asalbeag, we are the same - Phase 1b. Have you heard from Park about snagging?

Haidee_Hammond

emmad wrote: »

Hi asalbeag, we are the same - Phase 1b. Have you heard from Park about snagging?

1B here too, I was told "definitely" May, but I am thinking June since some delay seems to be the norm.

PS. Larkfield Walk here

Asalbeag

Hi
Haven't spoken to Park yet only Savills and looking at March which I'd say is fairly accurate as houses seem fairly advanced. We are on Larkfield Way.

emmad

Larkfield Way here too and Savills mentioned March to us too

shanedunne2000

emmad wrote: »

Whereabouts is your house located Shane? How long ago did you return contracts?

We heard today from agent that snagging is being completed on Larkfield Place at the moment

Block on the left as you drive into estate, the yellow brick ones. Contracts sent back too.

shanedunne2000

Hi all, anyone who’s snagged or seen their house notice a tv point? We snagged earlier this week as I mentioned earlier in the board, but we didn’t notice an NTL or UPC or whatever TV point connection. Anyone any insight on this, should there be tv points?

tradesman

They are most likely wired behind a blank plate. Your service provider will fit the correct face plate.

emmad

Yeah we saw the blank plates in the dining area in kitchen and also in sitting room

Rob01

Has anyone has broadband installed yet? What provider did you go with?

Save yourself the hassle and do not ring Eir. I set up an account with Eir and they sent a connection company out on Friday who advised that Eir have not set up a plant in the estate yet. By the way, this is nothing to do with the builder, the houses are ready to go for Eir but Eir have not yet run whatever cables they need too.

Speaking with customer care today and they said it could be 12+ months by the time Eir are ready in the estate. What are they taking orders for, in an estate that they don't service?

SouthKnight

maybe virgin media or siro

Haidee_Hammond

SouthKnight wrote: »

maybe virgin media or siro

Has anyone looked into the (supposedly) super fast siro thing? (is Vodafone the only provider for that?). We currently have virgin so that would be our default..

Asalbeag

I see that digiweb are re-selling siro and have Clay Farm mentioned as coming soon. Maybe worth giving them a shout to see if there are any timelines.

Haidee_Hammond

Asalbeag wrote: »

I see that digiweb are re-selling siro and have Clay Farm mentioned as coming soon. Maybe worth giving them a shout to see if there are any timelines.

Just checked their website, at €85 a month, you might be better off with vodafone right now (in case they offer it too there), as they have some current offer of 25 for 6 months (then another year for 90€).

Asalbeag

Digiweb also have a €55 pm package for 350mbs which is more than enough.

Haidee_Hammond

Asalbeag wrote: »

Digiweb also have a €55 pm package for 350mbs which is more than enough.

True, also Virgin seems to have a 50€ same Mb and home phone (do people still use that?).

BTW, it would be great to hear from what people actually managed to get, no point on a good offer if they haven't connected yet

JDD

For the people who have moved in...

How's it all going so far? We're hoping to secure a three bed in Phase 2. We have three kids, so local schools are a big priority for us. Secondary school not so much, as with the Luas line there we have a few options open to us, more primary school at the moment. What about crèche's/childminders/montessoris? Are there any nearby? And most importantly, I've seen pictures of the Luas absolutely jam packed every morning from 7am. Can you actually get on a Luas at rush hour?

Daniel1987

I signed up for Sky broadband and sky TV, they still have to send an engineer out to sort the line out but they said it should be no bother as there is other residents in the estate already set up. Hopefully we will be in the house soon so will let you know if Sky is an option.

markpb

JDD wrote: »

How's it all going so far? We're hoping to secure a three bed in Phase 2. We have three kids, so local schools are a big priority for us. Secondary school not so much, as with the Luas line there we have a few options open to us, more primary school at the moment. What about crèche's/childminders/montessoris? Are there any nearby? And most importantly, I've seen pictures of the Luas absolutely jam packed every morning from 7am. Can you actually get on a Luas at rush hour?

Holy Trinity is a few minutes walk from CF and is an excellent school. There's a new Gaelscoile open down the road but I don't know much about it.

The Luas is wedged at the minute because someone goofed and the extra trams needed to open the extension to Broombridge didn't arrive in time so they reduced the number of trams operating from Bridges Glen and moved them to Broombridge instead. The new trams should be in operation from end of March so things will hopefully improve. The new trams will be a bit longer too so that will help even more.

awec

Daniel1987 wrote: »

I signed up for Sky broadband and sky TV, they still have to send an engineer out to sort the line out but they said it should be no bother as there is other residents in the estate already set up. Hopefully we will be in the house soon so will let you know if Sky is an option.

Hard to see how Sky could give you broadband if Eir cannot. They both use the same cables.

emmad

How are you getting Sky TV? Are you putting up a dish? In our contract conditions it mentioned something about dishes not being allowed to be put up

emmad

We have been to see 2 local creches (tigers childcare and Dimples) which both seem quite good and are within a few minutes walk from CF. They also do drop off / pick up from local primary schools and afterachool clubs - which is really convenient.

Rob01

Daniel1987 wrote: »

I signed up for Sky broadband and sky TV, they still have to send an engineer out to sort the line out but they said it should be no bother as there is other residents in the estate already set up. Hopefully we will be in the house soon so will let you know if Sky is an option.

Hi Daniel

I have Sky TV installed but just to let you know I doubt they will be able to provide the broadband as they run their service off the Eir network cables and I noted above, Eir won't be set up in the estate for a long time.

Sky TV is fine as it works off the satellite. The building contract says you cannot but it on the front or side of the houses so it will have to at the back, this may be difficult for some houses depending on the direction they face.

Rob01

Asalbeag wrote: »

Digiweb also have a €55 pm package for 350mbs which is more than enough.

I signed up with DigiWeb, getting installed next week. If anyone is thinking of doing the same drop me a PM and we will both save €30 off 1 bill as it's the promotion they have running.

I rang Virgin yesterday and they could not locate some of the addresses in the estate so were advising that they had to send an engineer out to inspect the site but I believe this is now resolved and they should find your address if you ring them

Asalbeag

For anyone that has moved into one of the Junipers is there wall panelling in the hall and along the stairs or was this only in the show house?

HannahK

For anyone currently living here - keep an eye on kids and pets at night. A big fox just strolled past me in the park

gstones

Rob01 wrote: »

Has anyone has broadband installed yet? What provider did you go with?

Save yourself the hassle and do not ring Eir. I set up an account with Eir and they sent a connection company out on Friday who advised that Eir have not set up a plant in the estate yet. By the way, this is nothing to do with the builder, the houses are ready to go for Eir but Eir have not yet run whatever cables they need too.

Speaking with customer care today and they said it could be 12+ months by the time Eir are ready in the estate. What are they taking orders for, in an estate that they don't service?

Siro with Vodafone, they've given us a 4G router until they come to install it (Monday week) which is extremely fast given the proximity to the tower. You can sign up on the Vodafone shop in the Dundrum town centre.

Luas is fine to get on at any time going towards town, haven't had an issue there.

TV points are in an awkward spot by the windows but a good electrician will be able to move them for you.

All bathrooms come with tiled floors, as does the kitchen. Stairs aren't painted.

Quality of appliances is very good. Quality of fittings is variable, we had to replace every downlight as they were of poor quality, two blew in the first week.

JDD

Do you have to put floors in? Apologies- I’m clueless about new builds. If you do, how much does it cost approximately?

gstones

JDD wrote: »

Do you have to put floors in? Apologies- I’m clueless about new builds. If you do, how much does it cost approximately?

Yep, you do!

How long is a piece of string? Depends if you go for laminate, wood, semi solid, carpet, if you're putting it in yourself or hiring someone to do it etc. Three bed will be less than a four bed and so on.

Anywhere from 1-5k I'd guess is the range or possibly even more.

gabgab

gstones wrote: »

Siro with Vodafone, they've given us a 4G router until they come to install it (Monday week) which is extremely fast given the proximity to the tower. You can sign up on the Vodafone shop in the Dundrum town centre.

Luas is fine to get on at any time going towards town, haven't had an issue there.

TV points are in an awkward spot by the windows but a good electrician will be able to move them for you.

All bathrooms come with tiled floors, as does the kitchen. Stairs aren't painted.

Quality of appliances is very good. Quality of fittings is variable, we had to replace every downlight as they were of poor quality, two blew in the first week.

Thanks for the heads up re lights. Is it the bulbs or the entire unit? LED might be the way to go.

gstones

gabgab wrote: »

Thanks for the heads up re lights. Is it the bulbs or the entire unit? LED might be the way to go.

Just the bulbs, not sure if that's the same on the other houses or not but I'd guess it is given they'd all be honest same product.

Haidee_Hammond

gstones wrote: »

Siro with Vodafone, they've given us a 4G router until they come to install it (Monday week) which is extremely fast given the proximity to the tower. You can sign up on the Vodafone shop in the Dundrum town centre.

Luas is fine to get on at any time going towards town, haven't had an issue there.

TV points are in an awkward spot by the windows but a good electrician will be able to move them for you.

All bathrooms come with tiled floors, as does the kitchen. Stairs aren't painted.

Quality of appliances is very good. Quality of fittings is variable, we had to replace every downlight as they were of poor quality, two blew in the first week.

Thanks a lot for the insights! Vodafone siro, that's 90 euros, isn't it? (if I recall correctly with some 6 months for 25€ offer)

gstones

€45 for 150mb and €55 for 300, we went for the latter although I'm told it makes no noticeable difference and 150 is more than enough

shanedunne2000

gstones wrote: »

€45 for 150mb and €55 for 300, we went for the latter although I'm told it makes no noticeable difference and 150 is more than enough

Hi, do you need to give them much notice to install? We’re likely closing tomorrow or Wednesday, so wondering will I have a shot of having the WiFi in for the weekend... any idea on lead-time to install siro?

Emmanolan88

Hi all, I am hoping to secure one of the 3-beds in phase three. I'm just wondering if there is any guest parking in the development? There doesn't appear to be much space for visitors to park currently, are there plans to have visitor spaces perhaps? Thanks

Niran2055

Hi Guys,

Has anyone moved to the four bedroom house in phase 1. We are planning to buy a four bed house remaining in the phase 1. Is it good decision to secure a house in the phase 1 or should we wait for phase 2. What would be the pros and cons of the same. Thanks in advance.

Haidee_Hammond

Emmanolan88 wrote: »

Hi all, I am hoping to secure one of the 3-beds in phase three. I'm just wondering if there is any guest parking in the development? There doesn't appear to be much space for visitors to park currently, are there plans to have visitor spaces perhaps? Thanks

I would love for someone to correct me, but not that I know of. Some houses have 2 spots in the front and some one in front of the house and one a bit further away. But no visitors spots AFAIK.

rhubarb1980

Hi, question to people who already moved in: did you make any changes to appliances and fittings in kitchens, bathrooms, bedrooms e.g. changed gas cookers to induction or ceramic, requested more sockets/ different layout? If so at what stage did you get in contact with Park Developments?