Child refugees -majority to be males aged 17???

Brian?

troll_a_roll wrote: »

The Police Service of Sweden as an institution doesn't speak out about immigrant crime as they are prevented by the government from doing so. The police in Sweden take directions from the politicians just as much as the police in Ireland do.

Individual police men in Sweden have spoken out at great personal cost.

Not too dis-similar to how whistle blowers are treated in Ireland and elsewhere. If you speak out you can expect the government to target you.


Telling the truth shouldn't be considered hateful. Yet we have Swedish policemen being charged with hate crimes simply because they have told the truth about immigration.

Ireland isn't far behind. Sweden no. 2.


Suppressing the truth for political gain is far more damaging to a society than telling the truth could ever be. I wish politicians would recognise that.


Sweden is in effect engaging in a massive national delusion. Eventually the good times will end.

Have you any proof of any of this? If not it's a conspiracy theory.

Help!!!!

oscarBravo wrote: »

And some people believe that the world is flat, or that NASA faked the moon landing. Do you have evidence for your beliefs?

Heres some news reports

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEeXd9b01uY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqaIgeQXQgI

You can believe Sweden is not the rape capital of the world if you so choose

troll_a_roll

If you consider my comments on Sweden to be a conspiracy theory that's fine.

I would concede that the world is very polarised now and people simply don't agree on many issues.

Society by definitition is supposed to be made up of like minded individuals who choose to come together in solidarity for the betterment of all.

If society is completely polarised and made up of multiple incompatible sub-cultures then we can hardly be said to have a society at all.

Help!!!!

<Video dump removed>

oscarBravo

Help!!!! wrote: »

Heres some news reports

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEeXd9b01uY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqaIgeQXQgI

"I found some YouTube clips that tell me what I want to hear."

You can believe Sweden is not the rape capital of the world if you so choose

Here's the point you're carefully missing: the whole idea of "choosing to believe" something is where you're going wrong.

You've decided to believe that more rapes happen in Sweden than anywhere else in the world; and that immigrants are responsible. You don't need proof of this; you don't need statistics; you choose to believe it.

On the contrary, it seems like an unlikely claim to me, so I ask for evidence. In return, I get conspiracy theories about how the government is covering it up, and random YouTube clips.

You can believe that the CIA shot JFK, or that the moon is made of cheese, or that millions of immigrants are spending their every waking minute on a rampage of rapine in the streets of Malmö. Whatever floats your boat. But if you want other people to believe your pet theories, produce evidence.

Chips Lovell

Hi folks,
Please remember to read the charter. Video dumping isn't allowed. Its fine to use a video to support your point, but you need to write a clear account of what's being said in the video alongside it.

Also, don't spam multiple threads with the same video.

Help!!!!

oscarBravo wrote: »

"I found some YouTube clips that tell me what I want to hear."
Here's the point you're carefully missing: the whole idea of "choosing to believe" something is where you're going wrong.

You've decided to believe that more rapes happen in Sweden than anywhere else in the world; and that immigrants are responsible. You don't need proof of this; you don't need statistics; you choose to believe it.

On the contrary, it seems like an unlikely claim to me, so I ask for evidence. In return, I get conspiracy theories about how the government is covering it up, and random YouTube clips.

You can believe that the CIA shot JFK, or that the moon is made of cheese, or that millions of immigrants are spending their every waking minute on a rampage of rapine in the streets of Malmö. Whatever floats your boat. But if you want other people to believe your pet theories, produce evidence.

Its hard to get statistics as
“It is difficult to give a precise answer, because Swedish law forbids registration based on people’s ancestry or religion.

but this might help
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/sweden-and-denmark-have-highest-number-of-sexual-assaults-in-europe-a6800901.html

oscarBravo

Help!!!! wrote: »

Its hard to get statistics...

...and yet, this absence of evidence doesn't shake your beliefs in the slightest.

It's amazing how some people just know it's the immigrants what done it. Even when it was the bears, they knew it was the immigrants.

but this might help
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/sweden-and-denmark-have-highest-number-of-sexual-assaults-in-europe-a6800901.html

A report on the data states: “The observed variations between EU member states in the prevalence rates of sexual harassment can be explained by a number of factors looked at in combination.

“For example, the different level of acknowledgement of sexual harassment in national legislation and its prioritisation in specific policies and political debates might be reflected in women’s overall level of awareness of sexual harassment as a fundamental rights abuse, and their disclosure of such experiences.”

troll_a_roll

But you also appear to 'just know' that it wasn't the migrants.

Brian?

troll_a_roll wrote: »

But you also appear to 'just know' that it wasn't the migrants.

Both myself and Oscar Bravo don't know if it's the immigrants. We have that in common. However for some unknown reason you believe it was.

Did you read about the Nordic biker war yet?

long range shooter

oscarBravo wrote: »

...and yet, this absence of evidence doesn't shake your beliefs in the slightest.

It's amazing how some people just know it's the immigrants what done it. Even when it was the bears, they knew it was the immigrants.

Sweden have been covering up the statistics on immigrant crime since 2005.

http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.3594/sweden-refuses-to-provide-statistics-over-crime-by-immigrants.html

Swedish police banned from describing criminals anymore in case they sound racist.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/swedish-police-are-not-allowed-to-give-descriptions-of-alleged-criminals-so-as-not-to-sound-racist-a6810311.html

Swedish police have had to act on more than 5,000 incidents concerning asylum accommodation and other issues concerning migrants since October, according to figures obtained by a Swedish newspaper.
The Dagens Nyheter newspaper recently revealed that the police have designated a special code, R291, for incidents involving asylum seekers and refugees, allowing them to keep tabs on how last autumn’s record influx of asylum seekers into the country has affected their work.

According to SvD's collation of all R291 cases, police have been called out to no fewer than 559 registered assaults, 450 fights, 194 cases of violent threats, 58 fires, two bomb threats, nine robberies and four rapes, all involving recently arrived asylum seekers.

http://www.thelocal.se/20160129/swedish-police-files-5000-migrant-incidents-sin

Author and lecturer Karl-Eirik Kval says Swedish researchers are deliberately concealing the relationship between immigration and crime.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/11/04/claim-coverup-immigration-crime-sweden/


And you really believe the Swedish police and goverment will say that immigrants are behind the crime in the no go zones,when everyone knows it is.

Help!!!!

Its strange that rape has increased in Sweden since 2005, I guess the Viking nature of the locals must have got too strong

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Sweden

Timberrrrrrrr

long range shooter wrote: »

Sweden have been covering up the statistics on immigrant crime since 2005.

http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.3594/sweden-refuses-to-provide-statistics-over-crime-by-immigrants.html

Swedish police banned from describing criminals anymore in case they sound racist.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/swedish-police-are-not-allowed-to-give-descriptions-of-alleged-criminals-so-as-not-to-sound-racist-a6810311.html

Swedish police have had to act on more than 5,000 incidents concerning asylum accommodation and other issues concerning migrants since October, according to figures obtained by a Swedish newspaper.
The Dagens Nyheter newspaper recently revealed that the police have designated a special code, R291, for incidents involving asylum seekers and refugees, allowing them to keep tabs on how last autumn’s record influx of asylum seekers into the country has affected their work.

According to SvD's collation of all R291 cases, police have been called out to no fewer than 559 registered assaults, 450 fights, 194 cases of violent threats, 58 fires, two bomb threats, nine robberies and four rapes, all involving recently arrived asylum seekers.

http://www.thelocal.se/20160129/swedish-police-files-5000-migrant-incidents-sin

Author and lecturer Karl-Eirik Kval says Swedish researchers are deliberately concealing the relationship between immigration and crime.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/11/04/claim-coverup-immigration-crime-sweden/


And you really believe the Swedish police and goverment will say that immigrants are behind the crime in the no go zones,when everyone knows it is.

But??

long range shooter wrote: »

Its pretty obvious when the police themselves admits it,in political correct Sweden.
You really think the swedish goverment would allow immigrants mentioned in a report,LMAO,they do there best to cover up any truth related to immigrants.
And you dont think 480000 sex crimes in one year, in a country with 10 mill people, is more worrying than a grenade attack?

http://www.thejournal.ie/swedish-sex-attacks-2542967-Jan2016/

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-08/swedish-cop-who-spoke-out-about-immigrant-crime-now-being-investigated-hate-speech

http://avpixlat.info/2017/02/13/ytterligare-en-svensk-polis-tar-bladet-fran-munnen-om-invandrad-kriminalitet/

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/764574/Political-Sweden-chaos-police-officer-migrants-blame-serious-crime

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/766057/Three-police-officers-injured-attacked-thugs-Stockholm-no-go-zone

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/641223/Swedish-police-being-ATTACKED-as-they-struggle-in-NO-GO-ZONES-as-migrant-crime-rockets

Norwegian news channel NRK had a trip to Sweden with two Norwegian police recruits to film there daily work in the no go zones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RocMz241uFU

long range shooter

Help!!!! wrote: »

Its strange that rape has increased in Sweden since 2005, I guess the Viking nature of the locals must have got too strong

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Sweden

I willl say its the rape culture they brought with them that have had a huge impact instead.
Forty years ago, 421 rapes were reported to the police in Sweden annually. By 2010, according to a BBC report, police recorded the highest number of offences about 63 per 100,000 inhabitants of any force in Europe. That was the second highest in the world surpassed only by Lesotho in southern Africa.

long range shooter

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

But??

Intelligent answer,i dont know sound language i am afraid,i do however know Norwegian,Swedish,Danish and English.

Timberrrrrrrr

long range shooter wrote: »

Intelligent answer,i dont know sound language i am afraid,i do however know Norwegian,Swedish,Danish and English.

Your post says 4 rapes yet your previous post claims 480,000 sex crimes. Why such a huge difference do you think?

b_mac2

long range shooter wrote: »

Intelligent answer,i dont know sound language i am afraid,i do however know Norwegian,Swedish,Danish and English.

Brilliant. This lad Timberrrrrrrr claims to speak a few of those languages, don't ya know.

I already caught him spoofing about being fluent in German.

Help!!!!

long range shooter wrote: »

Intelligent answer,i dont know sound language i am afraid,i do however know Norwegian,Swedish,Danish and English.

Have you spent some time in Sweden??

long range shooter

Help!!!! wrote: »

Have you spent some time in Sweden??

My aunt lives there,outside Stockholm,over there 4-5 times a year.
Also most of my workmates are swedish.

long range shooter

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Your post says 4 rapes yet your previous post claims 480,000 sex crimes. Why such a huge difference do you think?

Read them again,and take special note of the dates its written.

Help!!!!

long range shooter wrote: »

My aunt lives there,outside Stockholm,over there 4-5 times a year.
Also most of my workmates are swedish.

Yeah but personal experience or knowledge of a country means nothing to some people on here ( or so I've been told ) only statistics can be believed :rolleyes:

long range shooter

Help!!!! wrote: »

Yeah but personal experience or knowledge of a country means nothing to some people on here ( or so I've been told ) only statistics can be believed :rolleyes:

So have i been told many times ,after 18 years in Ireland.
Its the same when you talk about Ireland to a Dane or a Norwegian.

troll_a_roll

I think it's quite clear that Sweden is in big trouble. It certainly seems as if Swedish society is in disarray and that there's a huge cover up going on.

We've seen cover ups before. Transparency and openness is definitely rarer than cover ups.


I'd also suggest that it's obvious that multiple, seperate and arbitrary cultures living together will cause friction. It's foolhardy and reckless for politicians to allow their society to develop along those lines.


The sex ratio among young people is skewed as much as 120 boys to 100 girls. Approx 20 of the 120 boys are immigrants but much fewer of the girls are.

Help!!!!

Do people really believe that a person coming from a country where women are treated badly will change when they come to a western country?? They might have a hope if their the only one in the village but when they are put into areas where there are hundreds or thousands of the same minded people then there is no hope.

long range shooter

long range shooter wrote: »

I willl say its the rape culture they brought with them that have had a huge impact instead.
Forty years ago, 421 rapes were reported to the police in Sweden annually. By 2010, according to a BBC report, police recorded the highest number of offences about 63 per 100,000 inhabitants of any force in Europe. That was the second highest in the world surpassed only by Lesotho in southern Africa.

How many rapes do you think were reported in Ireland 40 years ago?
How many are reported now?

long range shooter

Help!!!! wrote: »

Do people really believe that a person coming from a country where women are treated badly will change when they come to a western country?? They might have a hope if their the only one in the village but when they are put into areas where there are hundreds or thousands of the same minded people then there is no hope.

Well i dont know if i am going to laugh or cry over Swedens solution.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/30/wristbands-stop-sex-attacks/

long range shooter

bubblypop wrote: »

How many rapes do you think were reported in Ireland 40 years ago?
How many are reported now?

How many immigrants have Ireland had the last 40 years?

ancapailldorcha

long range shooter wrote: »

Well i dont know if i am going to laugh or cry over Swedens solution.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/30/wristbands-stop-sex-attacks/

Don't just dump links here please.

long range shooter

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Don't just dump links here please.

Dump links?its one link?

ancapailldorcha

long range shooter wrote: »

Dump links?its one link?

Irrelevant. Don't question mod warnings on thread either please.

long range shooter

long range shooter wrote: »

How many immigrants have Ireland had the last 40 years?

Explain this please?
Are you suggesting that immigrants are to blame for a raising number of reported rapes? Because I'd really like you to back that up!

Help!!!!

long range shooter wrote: »

Well i dont know if i am going to laugh or cry over Swedens solution.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/30/wristbands-stop-sex-attacks/

Thats mad....why not just bring back chastity belts?

johnnyskeleton

Mod note:

Thread closed, pending review.

I suspect I won't reopen the thread because the actual issue about the majority of the refuges being male teenagers is no longer being discussed.

EDIT: Ok, I'm reopening this thread but if it doesn't go back on to the specific topic of the refugees to be taken in by Ireland, I will either close the thread or hand out bans.

So if you want to talk about the ills of immigration or specific groups of immigrants, be warned you could be banned from politics.

rgossip30

EU Immigration Thread II *Mod Warning OP and Post 447* try this thread on immigration .

troll_a_roll

Katherine Zappone is advocating or cheerleading for these Calais children.

She has now become embroiled in the Garda and the Maurice McCabe crisis or scandal.

Is Zappone being scapegoated in the Garda scandal?
Is Zappone being manipulated or lied about?
Will the Garda crisis affect Zappone's ability to push her cause?

Will Zappone be pushed out and if she is, will the children still come?


Is it unfair to notice similarities between Helen Lovejoy and Zappone? They both do think of the children, after all.


Personally, I don't think that child services in this country can handle the children. We've always had difficulties providing for children.

Banana Republican

Help!!!! wrote: »

Do people really believe that a person coming from a country where women are treated badly will change when they come to a western country?? They might have a hope if their the only one in the village but when they are put into areas where there are hundreds or thousands of the same minded people then there is no hope.

The families of the Zappone's and Sutherland's of this world will not be mixing, going to school or housed near the coming influx of Muslim refugees. The people making these judgements know full well the majority of these people have no intention of integrating into our way of life or adopting our culture.

I have zero problem with Ireland welcoming refugees but if those refugees can't respect our societal norms (which they haven't thus far in Germany/Sweden etc..) then i'd rather not take the chance.

troll_a_roll

The easy way to see how difficult it is to integrate into another culture is to ask yourself what would happen if you went to live in Saudi Arabia or in Afghanistan?


Would you enthusiastically take part in the new culture?
Or would you shake your head in disbelief and say I can't believe what goes on here.

Very few Westerners would be prepared to go along with the rules in those countries.


It is no different for them when they come here. They see a strange land with strange people and strange customs. What we do is often against their religious and societal rules.


We assume that our culture is superior, and we think that's obvious.

However, they also think that their culture is superior, and they also think that fact is obvious. Sure, doesn't it say it in the Koran?



I respect Muslims for their refusal to integrate into a society which they see as immoral and perhaps even as evil.

I have less respect for Westerners who claim to uphold certain values but who, in the end, don't uphold those values. We don't appear to be upholding childrens rights, or womens rights, in Muslim communities in the west.


I think it's very unfair to bring children of a particular culture and mindset to Ireland because they won't be able to live a life that pleases them unless we change our culture to suit them. Changing our culture to suit them doesn't suit us.


We should recognise that some cultural differences are so stark as to be insurmountable. No-one is trying to integrate Nazis.

oscarBravo

troll_a_roll wrote: »

We should recognise that some cultural differences are so stark as to be insurmountable. No-one is trying to integrate Nazis.

Comparing Muslims to Nazis. Nice.

And, before you deny it: yes, you did. You can claim you didn't, but you did.

rgossip30

Zapperone will likely get zapped in the next election and leave this wonderful plan for someone to pick up the pieces .

troll_a_roll

OscarBravo wrote:

Quote:
Originally Posted by troll_a_roll
We should recognise that some cultural differences are so stark as to be insurmountable. No-one is trying to integrate Nazis.



Comparing Muslims to Nazis. Nice.

And, before you deny it: yes, you did. You can claim you didn't, but you did.

Is it your position then that we shouldn't recognise that some cultural differences are so stark that they cannot easily be overcome?


Isn't that sticking your head in the sand?

Help!!!!

oscarBravo wrote: »

Comparing Muslims to Nazis. Nice.

And, before you deny it: yes, you did. You can claim you didn't, but you did.

The Son of a Hamas leader also compares the Muslims (Islam) to the Nazi's

Chips Lovell

Since the mod warning has gone unheeded and the thread has once again gotten sidetracked into discussion of Muslims, I'm going to lock her up.

If there's any more new developments with regard to the 50 Calais migrants coming to Ireland, we can start another thread.

Thanks.

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Mod note:

Thread closed, pending review.

I suspect I won't reopen the thread because the actual issue about the majority of the refuges being male teenagers is no longer being discussed.

EDIT: Ok, I'm reopening this thread but if it doesn't go back on to the specific topic of the refugees to be taken in by Ireland, I will either close the thread or hand out bans.

So if you want to talk about the ills of immigration or specific groups of immigrants, be warned you could be banned from politics.