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FanadMan

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote:

The stateside slur for the Irish 'mick' (as in you stupid mick bastard, or you fcking dumb mick cnut ) comes from the North Eastern Americans initial inability to pronounce the Mc surnames.

Wonder if that was where the English got the same nickname for the Irish? Was called it quite a few times along with Paddy and a strange one......kaaant

DEFTLEFTHAND

FanadMan wrote: »

Wonder if that was where the English got the same nickname for the Irish? Was called it quite a few times along with Paddy and a strange one......kaaant

I've been in England numerous times and have never been abused, Always treated quite well in fairness.

The one and only time I ever got guff in Britain was in Holyhead Wales.

I was drinking in a bar with an associate when I noticed some fat bald Taff eyeballing me.

When we got up to leave the bald fat fcuk grabbed my arm as I passed him and said. "The Ferry is that way Paddy"

Realt Dearg Sec

Very rude of the fat bald taff fcuk.

FanadMan

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I've been in England numerous times and have never been abused, Always treated quite well in fairness.

The one and only time I ever got guff in Britain was in Holyhead Wales.

I was drinking in a bar with an associate when I noticed some fat bald Taff eyeballing me.

When we got up to leave the bald fat fcuk grabbed my arm as I passed him and said. "The Ferry is that way Paddy"

I lived and worked there in the 90s and there were quite a few times that my accent wasn't liked. Told amongst other things to go back where I was born to which I replied - "That was Hammersmith" It shut a couple of yobs but others weren't quite as civil.

In fairness, I was mostly treated fine but you'll always get the scummy knuckledraggers everywhere.

Omackeral

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Tough folks the Japs.

Had a code of honour for a warrior/soldier who was about to be captured. They were supposed to fall on their sword or put the last round into their head.

This is why Allied soldiers were treated so badly in their POW Camps.

Cowards in their culture.

Pretty sure that's considered an ethnic slur, along the lines of Paki. I know it's used when speaking about car imports but applying it to people apparently isn't the most appropriate.

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Quazzie

Omackeral wrote: »

Pretty sure that's considered an ethnic slur, along the lines of Paki. I know it's used when speaking about car imports but applying it to people apparently isn't the most appropriate.

:rolleyes:

begbysback

New Home wrote: »

What a life, poor man. It's like that chap from Nagasaki who went to Hiroshima and was there when the atomic bomb was dropped; he survived it, and went back home in time for the second bomb, which he also survived.

3 days later he was back in work...

Omackeral

Quazzie wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Brilliant reply, outstanding.

Anyway it's seen as one as Jamie Vardy of Leicester found out a while back.

Leicester City striker Jamie Vardy has said he was "ignorant" rather than racist when he used a racial slur against a Japanese man in a casino.
The England international was given a "substantial" fine and ordered to undergo diversity awareness training after a video of the incident emerged.
He said he had not realised that the term - "Jap" - is offensive.
Show Racism the Red Card said it was "encouraged" that Vardy had recognised the "huge mistake" he made.

In an excerpt from his autobiography published in The Sun, the footballer said: "The word 'racist' is a permanent stain against my name. It's worse than a criminal record.
"I was angry at the time and I'd had too much to drink but I'd never have used the word 'Jap' if I'd known it was racist."
Writing about the diversity awareness training, Vardy said: "The tutors explained some of the context behind the word and its meaning, dating back to the Second World War.
"It made me feel more embarrassed."

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leicestershire-37477703

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Tough folks the Japs.

Had a code of honour for a warrior/soldier who was about to be captured. They were supposed to fall on their sword or put the last round into their head.

This is why Allied soldiers were treated so badly in their POW Camps.

Cowards in their culture.

Oddly enough, in the Ruso-Japanese War and First World War this wasn't the case. Enemy POWs were treated remarkably well by the Japanese. The crazy old Samurai ideas of bravery were brought back in the years leading up to the Second World War.

steddyeddy

Living in England only given grief about being Irish by a Yorkshire man who served in Northern Ireland. Would have given me more grief if he found out what me, the paddy and his daughter got up to. :P

steddyeddy

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

Oddly enough, in the Ruso-Japanese War and First World War this wasn't the case. Enemy POWs were treated remarkably well by the Japanese. The crazy old Samurai ideas of bravery were brought back in the years leading up to the Second World War.

In fairness you only have to look to Unit 731 to see that they weren't always nice to POWs. A small number of inmates here were POWs but they weren't treated much better than the Chinese natives. Prisoners were dissected alive sans anaesthetic, frozen and then subjected to boiling water (guess what happens), used for grenade area of damage studies and used to determine how plague and other diseases spread. I'd cite caution if investigating my attached link, it's not kosher reading around tea time.

steddyeddy

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Digital Solitude

Omackeral wrote: »

Pretty sure that's considered an ethnic slur, along the lines of Paki. I know it's used when speaking about car imports but applying it to people apparently isn't the most appropriate.

From working with a bunch of Paki's, they don't care too much, they reckon paki is what people call them and that's fine by them.

Chink is pretty insulting to Chinese people AFAIK, no paki I've ever met (or called a paki) has minded. I'd consider jap a fairly soft one. Tojo I'd imagine is definitely a slur.

Just my own experience anyways.

Realt Dearg Sec

steddyeddy wrote: »

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

Oddly enough, in the Ruso-Japanese War and First World War this wasn't the case. Enemy POWs were treated remarkably well by the Japanese. The crazy old Samurai ideas of bravery were brought back in the years leading up to the Second World War.

In fairness you only have to look to Unit 731 to see that they weren't always nice to POWs. A small number of inmates here were POWs but they weren't treated much better than the Chinese natives. Prisoners were dissected alive sans anaesthetic, frozen and then subjected to boiling water (guess what happens), used for grenade area of damage studies and used to determine how plague and other diseases spread. I'd cite caution if investigating my attached link, it's not kosher reading around tea time.

That all happened in the 30s though, Duffy is saying that under previous regimes Japanese treatment of pows was relatively good, but the culture that was fostered by the empire led to serious war crimes. The point being that it isn't an innate part of Japanese culture to regard captives as cowards deserving death, it was a product of a fascist revivalism.

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steddyeddy

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

That all happened in the 30s though, Duffy is saying that under previous regimes Japanese treatment of pows was relatively good, but the culture that was fostered by the empire led to serious war crimes. The point being that it isn't an innate part of Japanese culture to regard captives as cowards deserving death, it was a product of a fascist revivalism.

Well 1930s and 40s. I would say it had more to do with empire than facism. It shows in the fact that the Japanese still honour some war crime soldiers and barely apologised for unit 731. They have a very revisionist view of Empire, akin to our English cousins.

Capt'n Midnight

steddyeddy wrote: »

In fairness you only have to look to Unit 731 to see that they weren't always nice to POWs. A small number of inmates here were POWs but they weren't treated much better than the Chinese natives. Prisoners were dissected alive sans anaesthetic, frozen and then subjected to boiling water (guess what happens), used for grenade area of damage studies and used to determine how plague and other diseases spread. I'd cite caution if investigating my attached link, it's not kosher reading around tea time.

It's very easy to blame a few individuals and assume the average person wouldn't do this.
Forget Unit 73 and the German extermination camps for a moment.

The Japanese army in China "lived off the land" and frequently killed civilians, cannibalism wasn't unheard of either there or on pacific islands.

The ordinary Germany Army, not the SS or the Einsatzgrupp, killed off most of the Russian prisoners taken in 1941. Most of the 2.8 million deaths were before the reversal at Moscow or the US entered the war.

steddyeddy

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

steddyeddy wrote: »

In fairness you only have to look to Unit 731 to see that they weren't always nice to POWs. A small number of inmates here were POWs but they weren't treated much better than the Chinese natives. Prisoners were dissected alive sans anaesthetic, frozen and then subjected to boiling water (guess what happens), used for grenade area of damage studies and used to determine how plague and other diseases spread. I'd cite caution if investigating my attached link, it's not kosher reading around tea time.[/QUOTEIt's very easy to blame a few individuals and assume the average person wouldn't do this.
Forget Unit 73 and the German extermination camps for a moment.

The Japanese army in China "lived off the land" and frequently killed civilians, cannibalism wasn't unheard of either there or on pacific islands.

The ordinary Germany Army, not the SS or the Einsatzgrupp, killed off most of the Russian prisoners taken in 1941. Most of the 2.8 million deaths were before the reversal at Moscow or the US entered the war.

steddyeddy

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

steddyeddy wrote: »

In fairness you only have to look to Unit 731 to see that they weren't always nice to POWs. A small number of inmates here were POWs but they weren't treated much better than the Chinese natives. Prisoners were dissected alive sans anaesthetic, frozen and then subjected to boiling water (guess what happens), used for grenade area of damage studies and used to determine how plague and other diseases spread. I'd cite caution if investigating my attached link, it's not kosher reading around tea time.[/QUOTEIt's very easy to blame a few individuals and assume the average person wouldn't do this.
Forget Unit 73 and the German extermination camps for a moment.

The Japanese army in China "lived off the land" and frequently killed civilians, cannibalism wasn't unheard of either there or on pacific islands.

The ordinary Germany Army, not the SS or the Einsatzgrupp, killed off most of the Russian prisoners taken in 1941. Most of the 2.8 million deaths were before the reversal at Moscow or the US entered the war.

I heard that Cap. The Japanese army killed babies in China. There seemed to be a culture of atrocities towards anyone not Japanese during war time.

Realt Dearg Sec

That's the sense in which I was using the term fascism earlier, they had a doctrine of innate racial superiority every bit as virulent as that of Germany.

New Home

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Whispered

steddyeddy wrote: »

In fairness you only have to look to Unit 731 to see that they weren't always nice to POWs.

Absolutely harrowing to read.

Autochange

Whispered wrote: »

Absolutely harrowing to read.

The nuns in Ireland stuffed live babies into septic tanks and got on with their day. disgusting institution.

steddyeddy

Autochange wrote: »

The nuns in Ireland stuffed live babies into septic tanks and got on with their day. disgusting institution.

True but where's the need to bring up "Ireland is bad too" in relation to atrocities in other countrys? I'm not pinning it all on you but it's a recurring theme on Boards. It's almost like people are afraid to criticise other countries lest we forget our own dark times.

Autochange

steddyeddy wrote: »

True but where's the need to bring up "Ireland is bad too" in relation to atrocities in other countrys? I'm not pinning it all on you but it's a recurring theme on Boards. It's almost like people are afraid to criticise other countries lest we forget our own dark times.

I agree. ireland is a corrupt little backwater too. We are all aware of that.

steddyeddy

Autochange wrote: »

I agree. ireland is a corrupt little backwater too. We are all aware of that.

No we're not. Only those who self hate.

Esel

Autochange wrote: »

The nuns in Ireland stuffed live babies into septic tanks and got on with their day. disgusting institution.

FFS.

bisounours

Digital Solitude wrote: »

I'd consider jap a fairly soft one.

JAP (is the US anyway) stands for Jewish American Prince/Princess, not for Japanese.

lazybones32

Autochange wrote: »

The nuns in Ireland stuffed live babies into septic tanks and got on with their day. disgusting institution.

Almost as bad as liars.