Rent late

beauf

bajer101 wrote: »

... I have just been threatened with a situation where I couldn't put the key in door of my home - because the rent would have been 15 days late. ...

How did you get the notice if you can't get in your door.

bajer101

Another thing I have learned since I started this thread is that I absolutely would not like to rely on the good will of people if a tenant fell into arrears. Some people here would happily have put me an my daughter out on the street and just called it "business". This is why a fundamental human right like shelter should be protected by law and not left to the amateur landlords on boards. Jesus! I despair.

I'm ok. I always will be. I might be a single dad with a child with special educational needs, but I will always be ok. I've worked for the last thirty years and have paid more than €30k in tax each year for the last decade. I've owned properties and been a landlord. Been there, done that etc.

I have huge ****ing bills for specialist child care. I live where I do because it is the best place for my daughter. She needs to live here. I pay for it. I paid my rent a week in advance for the last two years. It was meaningless. If I hadn't found €1450 this week, we were homeless.

You can dress it up and deflect as much as you like, but that is just ****ed up.

bajer101

beauf wrote: »

How did you get the notice if you can't get in your door.

The rules of the forum dictate that you have to attack the post and not the poster.

That is the most idiotic post that I have ever seen. It is a post that could only have been crafted by a child.

bajer101

beauf wrote: »

The issue really is about being homeless.

The problem is that housing for vunerable people should not be private rentals. it should be social housing. The problem is the RA is meant to provide this through out sourcing and its not fit for purpose.

We're telling the OP he won't be made homeless. I'm not sure he understands that.

This issue has nothing to do with homelessness. Please read even the OP.

You're telling me nothing. This topic is about the legislation which allow landlords to issue an eviction notice if rent is 15 days late.

BTW, I am not a vulnerable, but I suspect your spellchecker is.

bajer101

I posted here a while ago posing the question could I be evicted if my rent was a couple of weeks late. I can now confirm, that yes you can. Was dealing with HAP and eventually got approved after scraping together last month's rent. HAP pay in arrears which landlord won't accept. Got 14 days notice a couple of weeks ago when rent was only a few days late, and got eviction notice today even though they know that HAP are paying the full thing next Wednesday. Some people really are cùnts. I'm a single parent with a ten year old child.

bajer101

And please, I've no interest in hearing from the resident landlords trying to justify about how this is ok. It's not. I would however welcome advice on how to deal with this.

Gatling

Have you contacted the RTB yet

Fol20

Your only looking at this from your perspective. It doesn’t matter if HAP pays a month in arrears. You were still late in paying your bills so yes he does have a right to go through the motions. I understand you have a kid etc but from his point of view he has bills to pay and I’m sure the bank won’t be like “ah sure if he’s only a month behind, he’s fine”. It’s all a domino affect and you not paying your bills may have an impact on him affording to pay his bills

bajer101

Fol20 wrote: »

Your only looking at this from your perspective. It doesn’t matter if HAP pays a month in arrears. You were still late in paying your bills so yes he does have a right to go through the motions. I understand you have a kid etc but from his point of view he has bills to pay and I’m sure the bank won’t be like “ah sure if he’s only a month behind, he’s fine”. It’s all a domino affect and you not paying your bills may have an impact on him affording to pay his bills

It's a professional company with hundreds of properties, so that doesn't apply. They can get 20% extra from a new tenant. Simple as.

So where are all these laws that are on the tenant's side? I've paid approx €200k in rent over the years. Never late til this hiccup. I'm three weeks late and evicted.

bajer101

Fol20 wrote: »

Your only looking at this from your perspective.

No. You are only looking at it from your perspective. The same as most in this landlord top-heavy forum.

I'm a single parent who got an eviction notice and was looking for help and all you wanted to talk about was the poor landlords.

ED E

bajer101 wrote: »

I'm a single parent

Irrelevant. You're a tenant.

Tigger

ED E wrote: »

Irrelevant. You're a tenant.

Tad harsh

bajer101

ED E wrote: »

Irrelevant. You're a tenant.

You're right. Just a commodity. It shouldn't matter the age or parental status of the person being made homeless for profit. Have a look at yourself.

bajer101

ED E wrote: »

Irrelevant. You're a tenant.

Actually, I get your opinion now. You are so absorbed in your landlord issues that you didn't actually understand that when I said I was a single parent, I actually meant that that there was a child about to be made homeless. That just went right over your head though, didn't it?

Press_Start

In general it's hard to judge this. Introducing personal stuff in the matter is always risky. Using your kids as an "excuse" for being late on rent is hardly fair on the man as well. It's hard to draw the line on this kind of stuff.

Example: Person calls me in collections company,
"I need an extension on this bill."
Me: You've already been late
Them: My social welfare is helping me out
Me: alright I'll extend just this once for a month to help you catch up

Next week my manager is asking why this woman hasnt been cut off after signing a contract and not paying her bills. Explain her situation and manager doesnt care, says that policy is policy. I'm now in a disciplinary meeting.

This is a true story from me working in a call centre. The mentality is that if they can't pay rent and they are behind for a few weeks, they are likely to cut ties as it shows unreliability. Depending on your situation you can submit an appeal, but ultimately the choice is made depending on your own ability to pay. If it's a large company they will care even less, and if the mentaility behind your defence is "They have loads of houses sure they wont miss the money" it shows that it might not be a once off.

My advice is try and ask advice from any kind of social welfare of HAP agency if you can, and try and get them to talk to him on your behalf. If worse comes to worst SVP are great for assisting the recently evicted/ homeless as well as family members, and friends, you'd be surprised who'll help if you're really in need.
As for someone being made homeless for profit, they are providing a service for a fee, and if you cannot provide that fee, they are within their right to refuse you paying it back. I'm sorry for your situation, but to get defensive when people are stating facts as well as trying to help is needless.

Shanotheslayer

How long where you expecting the landlord to wait out of curiosity?

Is 3 weeks not lenient? I understand that you're a single parent and are about to made homeless, and yes the landlord could have waited until Wednesday as you said but as somebody else posted it's highly possible that the 3 weeks delay was causing the landlord issues.

Morally wrong in some peoples eyes but legally not.

I do hope things work out for you in the future.

njs030

The problem with hap is you're always going to be behind, you're going to pay it next week at 4 weeks late but what happens the following week? Will you pay them then or will they be expected to wait for you to go 4 weeks into arrears every month?

The poster put it a bit too bluntly but the landlord is running a business, if you can come up with a plan to deal with the above problems perhaps they'll reconsider the eviction.

cathalj

Genuine question here.... I see threads/comments on boards stating that some tenants just stop paying rent for one reason or another , and if proper procedures are followed , through PRTB etc, it can take months (possibly a year or more) for the tenants to be evicted.... if that's the case , how come you are in danger of being homeless after just being 3 weeks late with your rent ?

bajer101

I give up, nearly like I have done dealing with the beaurorcracy and nasty people I have had to deal with so far.

Do people not get this? Me and my ten year old daughter are being put out on the street by a billionaire property developer landlord because he can get more. This is the reality of families being put out on the street. It's happening now.

Press_Start

We comprehend that, we're simply playing Devil's advocate for why this may have happened. Contact SVP or people like them for more advice or assistance, it's what they're for. Either that or ask a solicitor to actually take a look. As far as I know they;ve followed their rules and the inability to pay has no relation to the maternal status of the tenant.
It's a shame but they're within their right.
If no rent has been paid within those 14 days they are completely within reason to lay down a termination notice within 28 days.
You can submit an appeal to the RTB on their site in this time, which is the official way of getting around it or take it to the actual manager of the firm itself.
Noone here can provide a magical answer for you, just to help you find answers on an official route and maybe help you understand the other parties view.
I hardly think it's malicious.

Axwell

bajer101 wrote: »

I give up, nearly like I have done dealing with the beaurorcracy and nasty people I have had to deal with so far.

Do people not get this? Me and my ten year old daughter are being put out on the street by a billionaire property developer landlord because he can get more. This is the reality of families being put out on the street. It's happening now.

It is not because he can get more, it is because you have failed to pay your rent when it was due and within the 14 days after you were given a warning notice. The landlord is only entitled to put the rent up by 4%, your rent is €1450 so I doubt they are that concerned about earning an extra €58 a month.

Also you have said this is a company with 100 properties, as far as they are concerned this is simply a business matter and rent is late. They are not interested if you have a child or not, they have a client who is not paying on time and that is their only concern. If you were dealing directly with a landlord with on property who you could call and talk things over with maybe things would be dealt with differently.

But the reality is it all comes back to the fact the rent isn't being paid on time and it is really not the fault of the landlord that your child may become homeless. They have followed the rules and given you the allowed time to correct things, the situation will be no different next month unless something drastically changes as the HAP payment will still be late again so the problem from the landlords side just gets bigger.

the_syco

bajer101 wrote: »

HAP pay in arrears which landlord won't accept.

I'll rephrase that; your rent will always be late. The system is broken, and you're the one who'll pay for it.

Anyhoos, goto HAP people, state that eviction notice has been served, and ask can they pay two months up front. If you get it, ring the landlord, and get the money transferred. Two months up front should mean that rent will be on time.

Info here; http://hap.ie/landlords/whyhap/

The Dublin Regional Homeless Executive (DRHE) is operating a specific HAP scheme in the Dublin region for homeless households. Deposit and two months’ rent upfront are available for homeless households only. Specific and competitive rents are paid to secure properties for households who need them. These rates are available from the DRHE website here. If you wish to make property available for homeless tenants contact DRHE directly at (01) 222 6861 or homelesshaplandlord@dublincity.ie

bajer101

"Contact SVP..... it's what they're for". Jesus wept. All very "decrease the surpless population-ish.

Thanks for the other pieces of advice.

Press_Start

Also not to be smart, but after a little home work, your original posts about being late with the rent were fom January. It's not a recent issue.
Please don't take the heads off of members for trying to comprehend the full situation. We're all very sorry for your situation, but there's only so much that can be done.

bajer101

the_syco wrote: »

I'll rephrase that; your rent will always be late. The system is broken, and you're the one who'll pay for it.

Anyhoos, goto HAP people, state that eviction notice has been served, and ask can they pay two months up front. If you get it, ring the landlord, and get the money transferred. Two months up front should mean that rent will be on time.

Info here; http://hap.ie/landlords/whyhap/

Thanks for that. I've been down that road but they will only pay up front if it is a homeless case. I'm not technically homeless yet.

beauf

You have received eviction notice. You're not evicted yet. You can reset it by paying the rent and the arrears. You'll have it sorted long before the LL can actually evict you.

If I was you I'd go hound your local politicians that because of inaction by the Local Authority you will be evicted. They'll pressure the authority.

beauf

The HAP is fundamentally flawed. Because it requires the LL to lend the tenant money in effect. Because its always in arrears.

davo10

Op, you started a thread about late payment of rent (rent issues) nine months ago, just to clarify, is this the second time in nine months you have been late with the rent, or, have you been behind in your rent for nine months?

robertpatterson

The hap is a pain my sister has a place she lets out and had to wait 10 weeks for it to go through it was only her goodwill that she allowed the tenants to stay and then it was always in arrears
Wheres your childs father in all this you must have someone you can ask for a short term loan rather than asking a landlord to bear the brunt of not being paid
Sorry for sounding harsh but its up to you to pester hap or the social welfare to expedite your case

Bubbaclaus

I don't see the issue here. You haven't paid your rent and are over 3 weeks late.

If your welfare payments were 3 weeks late would you accept the Government making silly excuses?