Snugborough Interchange Upgrade

Jebus Diced

Old thread here...https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057695640
And plans here...

rolion wrote: »

Link H E R E !?

https://consult.fingal.ie/en/system/files/materials/5161/Proposed%20Snugborough%20Interchange%20Upgrade%20-%209C%20Sewer%20Diversion.pdf
Not sure if these are still up to date!

raheny red

Nice one. Mods feel free to delete and merge threads, ta.

miamee

Threads merged.

StoptheClocks

I used the underpass today. I see they have cut down a lot of trees.

raheny red

StoptheClocks wrote: »

I used the underpass today. I see they have cut down a lot of trees.

I just seen that there, looks completely different now. It's going to be a nightmare for the folks who have bought the new builds right beside it.

raheny red

https://www.fingal.ie/news/council-invites-tenders-upgrade-snugborough-interchange-blanchardstown

hoodie6029

They are only looking for tenders now? I thought they were due to start already but were held up by the virus. By the time this is done they'll have to widen it again....

LorelaiG

hoodie6029 wrote: »

They are only looking for tenders now? I thought they were due to start already but were held up by the virus. By the time this is done they'll have to widen it again....

Tenders out now. Work starts q3 of 2020 and is going to take approx 24 months

Polar101

LorelaiG wrote: »

Tenders out now. Work starts q3 of 2020 and is going to take approx 24 months

It says "tenderer will be appointed in Q3", sounds to me construction won't start any time soon.

So this might be ready around Christmastime 2022, maybe?

Caranica

I know it will be worth it in the end but I'm dreading this. Lockdown followed by two years of disruption. Our beautiful park has already been ruined with the water plant construction, now more fun for Waterville residents.

Phil.x

They really need to minimise the cycling aspect of it, as it's just taking up valuable road space, its really only a token gesture as a minuscule amount of random people on bikes use it compared to real road users.

Jebus Diced

Phil.x wrote: »

They really need to minimise the cycling aspect of it, as it's just taking up valuable road space, its really only a token gesture as a minuscule amount of random people on bikes use it compared to real road users.

Jaysus tonight :rolleyes:

daymobrew

Phil.x wrote: »

They really need to minimise the cycling aspect of it, as it's just taking up valuable road space, its really only a token gesture as a minuscule amount of random people on bikes use it compared to real road users.

real road users - that's a new patronising term that I haven't heard before.
Of course if there were less of those real road users (and more of the randomers on bikes) the upgrade may not have been needed.

And, because of induced demand, more motor traffic will probably use the upgraded junction and there won't be much of an improvement. For example, the M50 is as bad with 3 lanes as it was with 2.

jack presley

Ah come on guys, don't be feeding the troll.

raheny red

As it is, I try not use that bridge when cycling. Too many HGVs using it for Ballycoolin Industrial Estate. Even walking across it is a bit of a pain.

Hurrache

It's better to nip through via the hospital to avoid the bridge, traffic and those traffic lights.

daymobrew

Hurrache wrote: »

It's better to nip through via the hospital to avoid the bridge, traffic and those traffic lights.

Or the underpass beside the Garda station.

Gio2

Hurrache wrote: »

It's better to nip through via the hospital to avoid the bridge, traffic and those traffic lights.

If you are lucky enough to have a pass

Pat Dunne

Gio2 wrote: »

If you are lucky enough to have a pass

Sure who needs a Pass or the Rules of the road when you’re a Cyc1|§[

raheny red

https://twitter.com/Fingalcoco/status/1359117979821215749?s=19

ongarboy

raheny red wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Fingalcoco/status/1359117979821215749?s=19

Hmm....Just as BAM are in the news today for major cost overruns and delays at their Children's hospital project...never seems to stop them winning new taxpayer funded projects...

IngazZagni

Good link showing the changes here.

https://irishcycle.com/2017/01/15/massive-blanchardstown-road-interchange-upgrade-mixes-cycling-and-walking/

I've looked closely at these new layouts and all I see is a confusing mess. More lanes but I don't see how it will reduce congestion in any meaningful way. Do others see it differently?

TheChrisD

IngazZagni wrote: »

I've looked closely at these new layouts and all I see is a confusing mess. More lanes but I don't see how it will reduce congestion in any meaningful way. Do others see it differently?

Nope, it will remain a mess. It's to be expected when it's essentially six different entrance/exits all converging on one junction complex.

AlanG

IngazZagni wrote: »

I've looked closely at these new layouts and all I see is a confusing mess. More lanes but I don't see how it will reduce congestion in any meaningful way. Do others see it differently?

it's very hard to see how there will be any increase in green light time for any entry point so it is likely to remain with a 5 minute dwell for each light cycle. There will be a slight increase in throughput on the extra lanes but overall seems a poorly designed option.

raheny red

The pedestrian tunnel will be potentially closed for a year...

daymobrew

raheny red wrote: »

The pedestrian tunnel will be potentially closed for a year...

Wow, they really don't give a toss about pedestrians.

The proposed diversion forces you to wait at 2 pedestrian crossings and could easily add 5 mins to your journey (I think it's about 2.5min between sequences at the existing interchange).

IngazZagni

That's outrageous. Absolutely no need for it to be closed for a full year. They could do the works they have to do at the Old corduff Road end and provide a pedestrian entrance even if it means temporarily altering its entrance slightly.
Let's not forget that a connection to Waterville Park within this pedestrian connection continues to remain closed for years due to works by Irish Water.

Pedestrians simply don't matter.

Larbre34

IngazZagni wrote: »

That's outrageous. Absolutely no need for it to be closed for a full year. They could do the works they have to do at the Old corduff Road end and provide a pedestrian entrance even if it means temporarily altering its entrance slightly.
Let's not forget that a connection to Waterville Park within this pedestrian connection continues to remain closed for years due to works by Irish Water.

Pedestrians simply don't matter.

You obviously have no idea how contracts are managed as regards health and safety.

5 minutes? On your actual journey? Oh Jesus.

IngazZagni

Larbre34 wrote: »

You obviously have no idea how contracts are managed as regards health and safety.

5 minutes? On your actual journey? Oh Jesus.

There is absolutely no reason they couldn't provide a temporary stairway to access the other side of Snugborough Road. You can be damn sure that they wouldn't have proposed closing a road for a year. Ah sure take another route that takes an extra 5 minutes. No that wouldn't be accepted.

No I don't know how contracts are managed but I can tell you that it's lazy planning. Couldn't be bothered to find a solution because of how difficult the legal framework in this Country makes it so the easiest solution is to do what's being done.

Larbre34

Now you're getting it.

lucernarian

Larbre34 wrote: »

You obviously have no idea how contracts are managed as regards health and safety.

5 minutes? On your actual journey? Oh Jesus.

Struggling to understand what point is being made here.

daymobrew

Larbre34 wrote: »

5 minutes? On your actual journey? Oh Jesus.

Like lucernarian I am not sure whether you are being sarcastic or dismissive.

5 mins is a decent amount of time and distance when walking - easily 500 metres.
I'm going to email FCC to object to it.

Larbre34

Both. Its nothing.

Your objection will be noted and no more I would imagine.

daymobrew

Larbre34 wrote: »

Your objection will be noted and no more I would imagine.

I wouldn't expect much more from FCC. They never act on any observations that I raise.

Larbre34

daymobrew wrote: »

I wouldn't expect much more from FCC. They never act on any observations that I raise.

Has it occured to you that there may be many reasons why they cannot? Your suggestions may exceed the safety requirements of particular contracts or other statutory obligations.

daymobrew

Larbre34 wrote: »

Has it occured to you that there may be many reasons why they cannot? Your suggestions may exceed the safety requirements of particular contracts or other statutory obligations.

If road builders can manage to facilitate thousands of cars right beside where they are working (think N7 expansion project) then I am confident that they can accommodate a few pedestrians safely.

If the contracts caused this then it's proof that FCC doesn't care about pedestrians (no local authority does).

I'm not a road or safety engineer so it's not my role to tell them the solution but I chose to highlight the inconvenience to pedestrians.

Caranica

Council cut down a load of trees between the path and the road on the Waterville side of the road between the roundabout and the hospital today. Felt like it's something to do with the works but not sure how

raheny red

How close is the new bridge going to be to the last remaining bungalow at the tunnel? :eek: That house has seen some amount of changes around it the past few decades!

ongarboy

Caranica wrote: »

Council cut down a load of trees between the path and the road on the Waterville side of the road between the roundabout and the hospital today. Felt like it's something to do with the works but not sure how

I notice all the trees and shrubbery on the N3 verge in front of Ebay have been cleared too since I was last in the area.

raheny red

Roadworks starting next month.

spacetweek

Has anything started yet?

Pat Dunne

spacetweek wrote: »

Has anything started yet?

It depends what you mean by “anything”.
Work in regard of clearing the site in preparation is ongoing for the last three weeks.

Caranica

Sliproad down into N3 inbound at Waterville roundabout is narrowed, only one lane available. They took down a load of trees on the Waterville side of the road towards the hospital.

raheny red

spacetweek wrote: »

Has anything started yet?

The signage still says May with no specific date. One of the footpaths over the bridge was closed off yesterday. Pain in the hole with the buggy.

Caranica

raheny red wrote: »

The signage still says May with no specific date. One of the footpaths over the bridge was closed off yesterday. Pain in the hole with the buggy.

It's been closed intermittently over recent weeks. I've seen it both closed and open.

daymobrew

raheny red wrote: »

The signage still says May with no specific date. One of the footpaths over the bridge was closed off yesterday. Pain in the hole with the buggy.

If there is a phone number to contact do so. Contact a councillor too.

daymobrew

The project has a website: https://www.snugboroughinterchange.ie/.

And the diversion for pedestrians is shown there.

Phil.x

daymobrew wrote: »

The project has a website: https://www.snugboroughinterchange.ie/.

And the diversion for pedestrians is shown there.

Never really knew much about that pedestrian tunnel even after all the years I'm living in d15.
Is/was it safe?

Caranica

Phil.x wrote: »

Never really knew much about that pedestrian tunnel even after all the years I'm living in d15.
Is/was it safe?

I never saw any trouble or felt unsafe using it. Wouldn't have gone near it when dark but it was always in use, don't think I ever went from the village to Corduff end without meeting people.

raheny red

Cycle through it after 10pm 4 times a week for over 2 years, barely ever see anyone. Maybe the proximity to the cop shop helps?

Walking over the Snugborough Bridge today, seems like the N3 bus lane is closed off for a "slip road" into the road works site.