#OscarsSoBlack

Dr Crayfish · 24-01-2017 3:52pm #1

Delighted to see the lovely Ruth Negga got a best Actress nod, but isn't a bit ridiculous now that the nominations are obviously heavily influenced by the #OscarsSoWhite controversy last year?
Not that these shows matter a f*ck to anyone really, but any credibility for me is gone out the window now. Forrest Gump won all the awards the year of the Shawshank Redemption for example.
Black women are the majority in the best supporting actress category for the first time ever.
Good for them I guess, I could see this coming, but surely even the nominated actors must know it's all a bit silly?

me_irl · 24-01-2017 3:55pm

Negga please! It's just a Hollywood circlejerk.

readytosnap · 24-01-2017 3:56pm

Yep its a complete load of Bol lox.

GavRedKing · 24-01-2017 3:57pm

La La Land some how got 14 nominations, that tells you all you need to know about the Oscars and what they're worth..

Butters1979 · 24-01-2017 3:58pm

Being rewarded on merit has long gnd out the window in the US. It's now rewards by quota. Can't wait for all the acceptance speeches doing a Meryl Streep.

Dr Crayfish · 24-01-2017 3:58pm

GavRedKing wrote: »

La La Land some how got 14 nominations, that tells you all you need to know about the Oscars and what they're worth..

I just can't bring myself to watch a musical. I do like Southpark the movie though.

Dr Crayfish · 24-01-2017 3:59pm

Butters1979 wrote: »

Being rewarded on merit has long gnd out the window in the US. It's now rewards by quota. Can't wait for all the acceptance speeches doing a Meryl Streep.

She's got yet another nom. 20 now I think.

Zaph · 24-01-2017 3:59pm

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Not that these shows matter a f*ck to anyone really, but any credibility for me is gone out the window now. Forrest Gump won all the awards the year of the Shawshank Redemption Pulp Fiction for example.

Just corrected that there for you. :pac:

me_irl · 24-01-2017 3:59pm

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

I just can't bring myself to watch a musical. I do like Southpark the movie though.

What about The Producers? or Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (the original) or Muppets Christmas Carol?

Butters1979 · 24-01-2017 4:01pm

GavRedKing wrote: »

La La Land some how got 14 nominations, that tells you all you need to know about the Oscars and what they're worth..

Had to google that movie. Never heard of it. Man does that looks sh1te. But.... man do I fancy Emma Stone. Hmmmm.

AlekSmart · 24-01-2017 4:03pm

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

She's got yet another nom. 20 now I think.

Any word on a nom for Hughie Maughan...surely there's a category just waiting....

Dr Crayfish · 24-01-2017 4:03pm

me_irl wrote: »

What about The Producers? or Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (the original) or Muppets Christmas Carol?

Ok I love the producers

Zaph · 24-01-2017 4:04pm

me_irl wrote: »

What about The Producers? or Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (the original) or Muppets Christmas Carol?

You forgot The Blues Brothers!

RobertKK · 24-01-2017 4:08pm

The Oscars is just a show where people involved in film reward themselves, and the rest of us are suppose to be in awe as the very wealthy actors/actresses who win, then go on to make political statements as if we should care what people who live in a bubble think.

Given most in Hollywood support the Democrats, it will be a moan fest if any high profile Clinton backer wins anything.

I might watch it for the tears over their loss of influence and lack of White House invites, and for Ruth Negga.

me_irl · 24-01-2017 4:09pm

Zaph wrote: »

You forgot The Blues Brothers!

How could I?!? The first movie soundtrack I bought too!

readytosnap · 24-01-2017 4:10pm

me_irl wrote: »

What about The Producers? or Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (the original) or Muppets Christmas Carol?

Zaph wrote: »

You forgot The Blues Brothers!

Grease, the best of the lot.
Also wizard of Oz, The sound of music, Singing in the rain, Oliver, The king and I.
I'm sure there are more.

seamus · 24-01-2017 4:10pm

RobertKK wrote: »

Given most in Hollywood support the Democrats, it will be a moan fest if any high profile Clinton backer wins anything.

Jesus fucking christ, can some people not just switch off without making everything into a Democrat -v- Republican, Liberal -v- Conservative circlejerk?

They're just awards. Not everything is political.

conorhal · 24-01-2017 4:12pm

Zaph wrote: »

You forgot The Blues Brothers!

The best musicals are tranny musicals, 'Hedwig and the Angry Inch', 'Rocky Horror Picture Show',... eh... 'Yentl'? (Ok perhaps not Yentl...)

As for LA LA Land, well apart from the fact that Hollywood loves nothing more then movies that are a love letter to Hollywood, I'm baffled.
It stars two stars that can neither sing or dance and look really awkward attempting either ...and it features jazz. It's not awful or anything, but it's not memorable either.

gramar · 24-01-2017 4:12pm

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Black women are the majority in the best supporting actress category for the first time ever.

Best supporting actress....still not leading roles though.

Joe Moneybags · 24-01-2017 4:13pm

The fact that they ignore foreign films for the vast majority of the awards shows how enclosed it is.

I always thought that the Oscars were for Blockbusters, and Venice, Cannes or Berlin for decent films. Sundance festival has some good winners as well. But then again, that's just my own personal taste.

readytosnap · 24-01-2017 4:14pm

gramar wrote: »

Best supporting actress....still not leading roles though.

Here we go, time to get the popcorn.

RobertKK · 24-01-2017 4:16pm

seamus wrote: »

Jesus fucking christ, can some people not just switch off without making everything into a Democrat -v- Republican, Liberal -v- Conservative circlejerk?

They're just awards. Not everything is political.

You must never have watched the Oscars.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/01/us/politics/politics-at-the-oscars.html?_r=0

A Little Pony · 24-01-2017 4:19pm

Who cares about Hollywood celebrity wankathons. A room full of narcissistic tax evading politically correct idiots.

Potential-Monke · 24-01-2017 4:19pm

The final nail in the coffin for the Oscars for me was when they gave Leo the Oscar for his role in The Revenant. Far from his best role, and he won for that one! Psssh.

readytosnap · 24-01-2017 4:20pm

A Little Pony wrote: »

A room full of narcissistic tax evading politically correct idiots.

Is that the dail?

Butters1979 · 24-01-2017 4:20pm

seamus wrote: »

Jesus fucking christ, can some people not just switch off without making everything into a Democrat -v- Republican, Liberal -v- Conservative circlejerk?

They're just awards. Not everything is political.

Actually the Hollywood heads seem to use it as a political soap box more and more now. He's got a point, I'm willing to bet we're gonna here a lot of 'Trump is bad' speeches. I for one am looking forward to that part.

readytosnap · 24-01-2017 4:22pm

Butters1979 wrote: »

I'm willing to bet we're gonna here a lot of 'Trump is bad' speeches. I for one am looking forward to that part.

That will probably be the highlight of the night.

Caliden · 24-01-2017 4:24pm

GavRedKing wrote: »

La La Land some how got 14 nominations, that tells you all you need to know about the Oscars and what they're worth..

I watched it last night and from a cinematography and musical standpoint it's a good movie.

It all depends on what you like and I'd be in to the 'big band' type of music occasionally.

It's written and directed by the same guy who did Whiplash which I thoroughly enjoyed as well.

Different strokes for different folks I guess.

valoren · 24-01-2017 4:24pm

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

I just can't bring myself to watch a musical. I do like Southpark the movie though.

My older brother brought home Moulin Rouge back in 2002 and simply insisted my dad and I watch it because it was as he put it '.....brilliant.'

We lasted 20 minutes. We've never spoken of those dark 20 minutes since.

Outlaw Pete · 24-01-2017 4:27pm

seamus wrote: »

They're just awards. Not everything is political.

Ah in fairness, seamus, the Oscars have always been used as a political platform.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBU5dFudp48

valoren · 24-01-2017 4:28pm

gramar wrote: »

Best supporting actress....still not leading roles though.

I always call this the "Best at helping someone else pretend to be someone else, while pretending to be someone else...yourself" award.

El Tarangu · 24-01-2017 4:28pm

Potential-Monke wrote: »

The final nail in the coffin for the Oscars for me was when they gave Leo the Oscar for his role in The Revenant. Far from his best role, and he won for that one! Psssh.

Sometimes, you are just 'due' an oscar - like Martin Scorcese getting one for 'The Departed' because he was scandalously overlooked in 1990.

Butters1979 · 24-01-2017 4:30pm

To solve all this arguing, they should just kind of split up and divide the awards, one for white actors and one for black, kind of segregate them of you will, then there will be no controversy.

...wait.

Mickeroo · 24-01-2017 4:30pm

They should have thrown a real spanner in the works and nominated mainly Asian actors. Nobody would have known what to whine about then.

A Little Pony · 24-01-2017 4:32pm

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

seamus wrote: »

They're just awards. Not everything is political.

Ah in fairness, seamus, the Oscars have always been used as a political platform.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBU5dFudp48

Who wants to hear it? People will tune in to see who wins the awards and to support the shows they like. If people want to hear politics and talk about politics they will go to a Democratic or Republican convention. Stop bringing in politics to every fabric of society. Its divisive.

Arghus · 24-01-2017 4:35pm

To be fair, while a lot about it of is still horse-crap, the Oscars are slightly more credible these days, at least you do see smaller movies getting a Best Picture Nomination, now that they've expanded the field for up to ten nominees. A lot of the processes behind the whole shebang are political gamesmanship still, but it's a damn sight better now at acknowledging movies of merit than what it was even ten years ago.

There was an obvious over-correct in the number of Black acting nominees this year, which is to be expected after the backlash. Though as a result of the furore they did open up the membership of The Academy somewhat; what was previously not that diverse of a bunch, made up largely of old white guys, now contains a lot more female and minority voters. So don't expect to see a whitewash again any time soon.

Edit: Just to add as well, as a response to the Poster who said The Oscars aren't political, The Oscars are always political. Look at the list of winners and nominees throughout the years and you can usually read through them the issues that Hollywood wants to be seen to care about and/or endorse.

Outlaw Pete · 24-01-2017 4:36pm

A Little Pony wrote: »

Stop bringing in politics to every fabric of society. Its divisive.

I've never even been to the states let alone the Academy Awards.

My name is URL · 24-01-2017 4:38pm

Butters1979 wrote: »

To solve all this arguing, they should just kind of split up and divide the awards, one for white actors and one for black, kind of segregate them of you will, then there will be no controversy.

...wait.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BET_Award_for_Best_Actor_%26_Actress

Butters1979 · 24-01-2017 4:48pm

I hope Will Smith boycotts it again. And his wife, and probably his mother. The tool. He wasn't even the best actor in Concussion.

learn_more · 24-01-2017 4:52pm

GavRedKing wrote: »

La La Land some how got 14 nominations, that tells you all you need to know about the Oscars and what they're worth..

Grown men watching musicals. It's just not right.

Billy86 · 24-01-2017 4:53pm

Butters1979 wrote: »

Being rewarded on merit has long gnd out the window in the US. It's now rewards by quota. Can't wait for all the acceptance speeches doing a Meryl Streep.

The Oscars haven't been about merit since before most people posting in this thread were born.

castletownman · 24-01-2017 4:58pm

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/eamonn-sweeney-hollywood-should-spend-less-time-feeling-superior-to-sport-and-more-time-learning-from-it-35368230.html

This article from the Sino (I know, I know....) two weeks ago sums up my thoughts exactly on the "empowerment" that political speeches like Meryl Streep's one at the Golden Globes bring......

murpho999 · 24-01-2017 4:59pm

me_irl wrote: »

Negga please! It's just a Hollywood circlejerk.

Yes, they picked a relatively unknown Irish actress for her skin colour over all other performances by well known coloured actors last year.

murpho999 · 24-01-2017 4:59pm

The only thing that annoys me about the Oscars is that Meryl Streep gets nominated for every film she makes.

biko · 24-01-2017 5:01pm

They should have
Best white CIS actress/actor
Best non-white gender-undefined entity on screen

Butters1979 · 24-01-2017 5:03pm

biko wrote: »

They should have
Best white CIS actress/actor
Best non-white gender-undefined entity on screen

Believe me, the argument over #oscarssobinary is a coming.

jcsoulinger · 24-01-2017 5:05pm

Butters1979 wrote: »

I hope Will Smith boycotts it again. And his wife, and probably his mother. The tool. He wasn't even the best actor in Concussion.

He's such a clown, glad to see his Oscar bait this year "Collateral Beauty" got completely panned, his performance in "Focus" should see him excluded from getting any acting award ever again imo.

The Oscars were never out of order anyways, The ethnicity of actors in Hollywood is overwhelmingly white, and the awards ceremonies should reflect this, If anything black actors have been over represented in recent years it's Latinos and Asians who are really being overlooked.

murpho999 · 24-01-2017 5:12pm

readytosnap wrote: »

Yep its a complete load of Bol lox.

Followed up by a load of Bo tox on the night.

xlogo · 24-01-2017 5:21pm

Dr Crayfish wrote:

Delighted to see the lovely Ruth Negga got a best Actress nod, but isn't a bit ridiculous now that the nominations are obviously heavily influenced by the #OscarsSoWhite controversy last year? Not that these shows matter a f*ck to anyone really, but any credibility for me is gone out the window now. Forrest Gump won all the awards the year of the Shawshank Redemption for example. Black women are the majority in the best supporting actress category for the first time ever. Good for them I guess, I could see this coming, but surely even the nominated actors must know it's all a bit silly?

So who should have been nominated ahead of them? Who do you think missed out on a nomination?

gramar · 24-01-2017 5:23pm

Butters1979 wrote: »

I hope Will Smith boycotts it again. And his wife, and probably his mother. The tool. He wasn't even the best actor in Concussion.

He wasn't even the best actor in Bad Boys.

D0NNELLY · 24-01-2017 5:24pm

GavRedKing wrote: »

La La Land some how got 14 nominations, that tells you all you need to know about the Oscars and what they're worth..

You don't rate it? Thought it was a good watch with an exceptional last 20 mins

#OscarsSoBlack

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