Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2017

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Fantastic news

RobertKK

M!Ck^ wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RedorDead07/status/838654776036446208

Surely that is fake news :P

Mata getting a new contract would be no surprise, apart from those who believe there was this Jose/Mata issue.

Cookiemunster

Zlatan and Mings both charged with violent conduct.

https://twitter.com/FA/status/838762345744629761

Cookiemunster

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Zlatan and Mings both charged with violent conduct.

https://twitter.com/FA/status/838762345744629761

Glad to see the FA using common sense in regards to mings vicious stamp. I expect three match ban for Ibra and 6 match ban for mings on the basis of that report.
Amazing still to read the mental hoops jumped through last night in the match thread in mings defence.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

O ya not having a go just didnt sound right to me, its mental if true

As promised dude

https://twitter.com/samuelluckhurst/status/838659877698428928

Flint Fredstone

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Glad to see the FA using common sense in regards to mings vicious stamp. I expect three match ban for Ibra and 6 match ban for mings on the basis of that report.
Amazing still to read the mental hoops jumped through last night in the match thread in mings defence.

I thought half of them lads had closed their accounts. Hadn't seen them around for so long.
Obviously a coincidence that we were winning a lot and they were not...

What makes this interesting now is that there is a 3 game opportunity for Rashford up top, and I also expect the team to be adjusted slightly from tactical sense.

The next 3 games could look something like this:

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De Gea

Valencia Rojo Jones Shaw

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Carrick

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Herrera Pogba

Miki / Mata

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Martial

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Rashford

IamtheWalrus

bangkok wrote: »

no 1 we dont have infinite funds.

no 2 conte had to make only slight adjustments to a squad and the signings of David Luiz, Kante and Alonso have been excellent.

no 3 hazard has decided again that he is is a footballer

You know I didn't mean for my use of the phrase infinite funds to be taken literally. Money is no object at OT these days.

And the Utd squad 4 years ago won the title.

Rayne Wooney

I really have no confidence these players showing up in a EL final when they have bottled almost every chance this season to get into the top 4.

RobertKK

M!Ck^ wrote: »

What makes this interesting now is that there is a 3 game opportunity for Rashford up top, and I also expect the team to be adjusted slightly from tactical sense.

the Next 3 games could look something like this:

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De Gea

Valencia Rojo Jones Shaw

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Carrick

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Herrera Pogba

Miki / Mata

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Martial

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Rashford

Probably the team for the Chelsea and Everton games.

For Middlesbrough, I suspect a 4-2-3-1

RobertKK

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

I really have no confidence these players showing up in a EL final when they have bottled almost every chance this season to get into the top 4.

They have won the FA Cup final, the Community Shield - it counts according to Zlatan and we won the League Cup final, we have been good in matches where a trophy is the prize - in that we won.

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Rayne Wooney wrote: »

I really have no confidence these players showing up in a EL final when they have bottled almost every chance this season to get into the top 4.

That's a bit ridiculous. We have been very good for large portions this season.

Thepoet85

Massive chance for Rashford to cement a place in the team mong term.

I've no doubt Ibra will slot straight back in once the ban is server, but the next few games will give us an idea if Rashford is up to the challenge of leading the line.

J. Marston

Assuming it's just a 3 match ban, he misses Chelsea (A) Boro (A) and West Brom (H).

Lucas Hood

RobertKK wrote: »

Probably the team for the Chelsea and Everton games.

For Middlesbrough, I suspect a 4-2-3-1

Zlatan should be back for Everton game?

Will miss Chelsea, Boro & WBA from what I can see.

bangkok

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

You know I didn't mean for my use of the phrase infinite funds to be taken literally. Money is no object at OT these days.

And the Utd squad 4 years ago won the title.

money is still an object, the club is still in 400m of debt, there is a good cash flow though, but we are not oil rich.

the squad that won the title 4 years ago are all but gone. 4 years is a very long time in football

Cantona's Collars

M!Ck^ wrote: »

As promised dude

https://twitter.com/samuelluckhurst/status/838659877698428928

Thats almost 25 shots per game,at least under LVG we might see 3 or 4 per game and could blame lack of creativity.We may bring Solskjaer back to train the lads in the art of finishing.

Rayne Wooney

Pheonix10 wrote: »

That's a bit ridiculous. We have been very good for large portions this season.

We've been 6th for a depressing amount of time.

jayo26

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

We've been 6th for a depressing amount of time.

We were but we were nearly 10 points off 4th. We need a run of wins again pass them if they slip up again.

bmcc10

See mourinho giving his backing to Shaw saying he's all the attributes to become the best really hope he does start of last year he had us all really excited, Still hate that c**t for the challenge.

secman

jayo26 wrote: »

We were but we were nearly 10 points off 4th. We need a run of wins again pass them if they slip up again.

Both Liverpool and Arsenal have given us umpteen chances to leapfrog them but we have squandered many of the chances, unfortunately.
We had another "if me granny had balls she'd be my grandad " scenario here , where someone projected where we would be at end of March... mystic meg jobbie.
We just don't seem to have a ruthless streak to put teams to the sword. Saturday had me in dire mood, poor missus had to listen to my rants all the way down N11.... even had me at the road rage stuff too.... bad for the health.
Tough few weeks ahead, expect big rotations to get through it.

secman

bangkok wrote: »

4 years is a very long time in football

And there is the understatement of the year

bangkok

bmcc10 wrote: »

See mourinho giving his backing to Shaw saying he's all the attributes to become the best really hope he does start of last year he had us all really excited, Still hate that c**t for the challenge.

he was already best lb in league before he got injured, just a matter of getting back to that level and excelling

jayo26

secman wrote: »

Both Liverpool and Arsenal have given us umpteen chances to leapfrog them but we have squandered many of the chances, unfortunately.
We had another "if me granny had balls she'd be my grandad " scenario here , where someone projected where we would be at end of March... mystic meg jobbie.
We just don't seem to have a ruthless streak to put teams to the sword. Saturday had me in dire mood, poor missus had to listen to my rants all the way down N11.... even had me at the road rage stuff too.... bad for the health.
Tough few weeks ahead, expect big rotations to get through it.

Totally agree but someone said that we had improved thus season and it was responded to by but we are still in sixth which is the truth but we are still in a far better position in sixth then we were back in November we are 3 points of fourth and a game in hand over pool.

We do need to push on now and take advantage and also It all depends on what setup of balls your granny had she could be your granny daddy.

KaiserGunner

bangkok wrote: »

thats because he didnt cost 90m and its clouding most peoples judgement on pogba. dont really know why everyone cares about the price so much to be honest

bangkok wrote: »

money is still an object, the club is still in 400m of debt, there is a good cash flow though, but we are not oil rich.

the squad that won the title 4 years ago are all but gone. 4 years is a very long time in football

You say that money is still an object, yet wonder why people care about the price of Pogba. Bit of a contradiction tbh.
As an outsider money doesn't appear to be an object for Man Utd. I expect Man Utd to spend big every summer from now on, which is admittedly very worrying for an Arsenal fan looking forward.

bucketybuck

There is a big part of me happy that Zlatan has been charged and hoping he gets a 3 match ban.

For two reasons. One, its high time Martial and Rashford stepped up and showed what they can do, hopefully this will force the issue and they will have to show if all the hype is justified. There is no Zlatan to bail them out now, for three games it will be on them and other passengers like Mata and if they don't come through with the goods then that is information that could be quite useful come the transfer window. Part of me thinks that our goose is cooked this season anyway and we should already be looking longer term, these 3 games could show us what we can expect from a few of these players that up to now have been coasting.

Secondly, I don't think its good for Zlatan to be playing every game like he does, for him to get an enforced 3 game rest in March? Sounds good to me. Imagine having a rested and raring to go Zlatan coming back into the team just as we start into that very tough end of the season, his return could be a great boost at a vital time.

You never want to be without your best players, but just sometimes the silver lining is bigger than the cloud.

jayo26

bucketybuck wrote: »

There is a big part of me happy that Zlatan has been charged and hoping he gets a 3 match ban.

For two reasons. One, its high time Martial and Rashford stepped up and showed what they can do, hopefully this will force the issue and they will have to show if all the hype is justified. There is no Zlatan to bail them out now, for three games it will be on them and other passengers like Mata and if they don't come through with the goods then that is information that could be quite useful come the transfer window. Part of me thinks that our goose is cooked this season anyway and we should already be looking longer term, these 3 games could show us what we can expect from a few of these players that up to now have been coasting.

Secondly, I don't think its good for Zlatan to be playing every game like he does, for him to get an enforced 3 game rest in March? Sounds good to me. Imagine having a rested and raring to go Zlatan coming back into the team just as we start into that very tough end of the season, his return could be a great boost at a vital time.

You never want to be without your best players, but just sometimes the silver lining is bigger than the cloud.

He will still be available for the Russia games so not so bad.

Trigger

jayo26 wrote: »

He will still be available for the Russia games so not so bad.

Playing 2 matches instead of 5 will be grand.. be able to keep him match sharp and then with him not playing in the internationals.. he should be well rested up and raring to go

Mr.Crinklewood

bucketybuck wrote: »

There is a big part of me happy that Zlatan has been charged and hoping he gets a 3 match ban.

For two reasons. One, its high time Martial and Rashford stepped up and showed what they can do, hopefully this will force the issue and they will have to show if all the hype is justified. There is no Zlatan to bail them out now, for three games it will be on them and other passengers like Mata and if they don't come through with the goods then that is information that could be quite useful come the transfer window. Part of me thinks that our goose is cooked this season anyway and we should already be looking longer term, these 3 games could show us what we can expect from a few of these players that up to now have been coasting.

Secondly, I don't think its good for Zlatan to be playing every game like he does, for him to get an enforced 3 game rest in March? Sounds good to me. Imagine having a rested and raring to go Zlatan coming back into the team just as we start into that very tough end of the season, his return could be a great boost at a vital time.

You never want to be without your best players, but just sometimes the silver lining is bigger than the cloud.

Mourinho will still play him during the ban.

GSPfan

Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »

Mourinho will still play him during the ban.

Ha ha ha ha.

GSPfan

I honestly couldn't care less about the careers of players at United anymore as long as the team is winning but I do have a love for Rashford that I haven't had for a player since Andy Cole. I just want him to be great and urge him on more than others.

bangkok

Zlatan won't get a ban, he will ban the fa..

The_Kew_Tour

KaiserGunner wrote: »

You say that money is still an object, yet wonder why people care about the price of Pogba. Bit of a contradiction tbh.
As an outsider money doesn't appear to be an object for Man Utd. I expect Man Utd to spend big every summer from now on, which is admittedly very worrying for an Arsenal fan looking forward.

We dont grow money on trees. If United keep failing to get CL the money will dry up.

bucketybuck

bucketybuck wrote: »

There is a big part of me happy that Zlatan has been charged and hoping he gets a 3 match ban.

For two reasons. One, its high time Martial and Rashford stepped up and showed what they can do, hopefully this will force the issue and they will have to show if all the hype is justified. There is no Zlatan to bail them out now, for three games it will be on them and other passengers like Mata and if they don't come through with the goods then that is information that could be quite useful come the transfer window. Part of me thinks that our goose is cooked this season anyway and we should already be looking longer term, these 3 games could show us what we can expect from a few of these players that up to now have been coasting.

Secondly, I don't think its good for Zlatan to be playing every game like he does, for him to get an enforced 3 game rest in March? Sounds good to me. Imagine having a rested and raring to go Zlatan coming back into the team just as we start into that very tough end of the season, his return could be a great boost at a vital time.

You never want to be without your best players, but just sometimes the silver lining is bigger than the cloud.

I agree with lots of that, especially the 'blessing-in-disguise' factor in regards to Ibra's impending ban. There are a few silver linings there like you mentioned - other players getting the chance to step up, Ibra getting rested, then coming back hungrier and fitter, all genuine things to be positive about. But, Mata a passenger?

I didn't see the game on Saturday, the first I didn't see this season and maybe he was a passenger in that game, but overall I can't agree with that.

Lord TSC

I can appreciate the idea of Ibra's absence being a reason for others to step up. I just have no faith in the current crop to do it. Again, I appreciate why some would think Ibra's presence has damaged some players, but for most...they shouldn't need that excuse to step up. If they need that excuse, then it suggests a bad mentality.

Rashford has a massive chance, no denying that. But Martial, Rooney, Mata, etc...they've been here before. If they've not stood up after so long, I don't see any chance they will now

bucketybuck

stankratz wrote: »

But, Mata a passenger?

I didn't see the game on Saturday, the first I didn't see this season and maybe he was a passenger in that game, but overall I can't agree with that.

I've stated my opinion on Mata before so no point going it over again, but yes I think he is a passenger. Good when things are good, nowhere to be seen when things are bad.

bucketybuck

Lord TSC wrote: »

Again, I appreciate why some would think Ibra's presence has damaged some players, but for most...they shouldn't need that excuse to step up. If they need that excuse, then it suggests a bad mentality.

Rashford has a massive chance, no denying that. But Martial, Rooney, Mata, etc...they've been here before. If they've not stood up after so long, I don't see any chance they will now

Oh I don't think Ibra has damaged the likes of Martial, more that they are hiding behind his goals, getting away with mediocrity because Zlatan bags a few winners.

I've said it a few times this season but Martial gets away with murder in terms of his performances. Its so frustrating because he has the talent, but Saturday was yet another example of him starting brilliantly, running at defenders and causing havoc for 15 minutes, and then going completely missing for the rest of the game.

Rashford will be fine I think but Martial really needs to start producing or he might as well go join Depay wherever.

Lord TSC

Have said I wouldn't be shocked if Martial left in the summer. If Jose thought he could recoup 40-50m for him and invest in someone of his own choosing, I think he would.

Hell, going all out for Sanchez would be fun :P

GSPfan

Lord TSC wrote: »

Have said I wouldn't be shocked if Martial left in the summer. If Jose thought he could recoup 40-50m for him and invest in someone of his own choosing, I think he would.

Hell, going all out for Sanchez would be fun :P

If we were selling Martial Id be saying we should go for Sanchez. If we don't sell any of our front line then buying Sanchez doesn't make sense really. Can't see us selling Martial unless PSG really really want him and pay Pogba money for him.

jayo26

Hazzard again for chelsea.... Our chances Of catching them are getting slim

bucketybuck

bucketybuck wrote: »

I've stated my opinion on Mata before so no point going it over again, but yes I think he is a passenger. Good when things are good, nowhere to be seen when things are bad.

Fair enough. Without thinking he is flawless or letting his likeable personality influence my opinion, I disagree. No harm looking for more from him, that's just right, but he's far from a passenger in my own estimation.

I'm not going to draw upon stats to try to sway you, you have eyes and a brain to decide for yourself. Mata is deserving of criticism, but I think the 'passenger' label is harsh, and not in a 'well the truth hurts' way.

Richard Hillman

They stumbled onto a decent question on MNF RE: Pogba next season and Griezmann.

If Griezmann signs for United, where does Pogba play?

We can all agree Pogba can't play in a 2 man Midfield. If Zlatan and Griezmann are going to play up front, what becomes of Pogba?

United can't Just spend a bomb on Griezmann and shove him out wide in the Martial position just to accommodate Pogba in a 3 man Midfield.

Assuming Zlatan stays, Pogba and Griezmann don't go together.

Cantona's Collars

Don't shoot the messenger (it's The Sun) but the morning paper saying United are cooling their interest in Griezmann and instead are looking for Lewandowski and Mbappe.
I would love Griezmann at United but kinda thought him being at odds with the kind of forward Jose likes to have up front,he's a fan of a big CF and Griezmann isn't that.

Cantona's Collars

https://twitter.com/English_AS/status/838876826323861504

Some good news is that Spanish authorities have abolished the ludicrous tax that clubs stuck on top of buyout clauses in the country which made transfers overly complicated. At least now we know if Griezmann's buyout is €100 million then that's the price not the starting point with 48% tax on top.

Trigger

zerks wrote: »

https://twitter.com/English_AS/status/838876826323861504

Some good news is that Spanish authorities have abolished the ludicrous tax that clubs stuck on top of buyout clauses in the country which made transfers overly complicated. At least now we know if Griezmann's buyout is €100 million then that's the price not the starting point with 48% tax on top.

That article is gas.. they basically say because they have Simeone to stay next year that means they have convinced Griezmann to stay too

The Sun's article is taken from a Delaney article, who said that it's difficult deal to work because of the Spanish taxes and that. Yeah as if trying to get Lewandowski to sign is going to be easier. Where did you see that about the taxes..

Giggsy11

zerks wrote: »

Don't shoot the messenger (it's The Sun) but the morning paper saying United are cooling their interest in Griezmann and instead are looking for Lewandowski and Mbappe.
I would love Griezmann at United but kinda thought him being at odds with the kind of forward Jose likes to have up front,he's a fan of a big CF and Griezmann isn't that.

I think Miguel Delaney posted the story. He is laughably poor journalist.
"ManUtd dropped interest in Griezmann because it's difficult to sign him but turned their attention to Lewandowski"

Amazing even for Delaney's standards.

Minderbinder

Honestly, spending €100m on Griezmann doesn't make much sense to me unless he's going to play up front.

We can't keep buying a new best player every year, having to reshape our team or move around others to fit them in and expect to win a league.

The frustrating thing is that we probably still need some new signings but we also desperately need a settled squad.

Mitch Connor

If we signed Greizman I reckon it would be Mata that dropped out of the side, with Greizman taking his spot on the right side of the attack. Rest of the team set up remaining the same.

Mitch Connor

Giggsy11 wrote: »

I think Miguel Delaney posted the story. He is laughably poor journalist.
"ManUtd dropped interest in Griezmann because it's difficult to sign him but turned their attention to Lewandowski"

Amazing even for Delaney's standards.

I think you criticism of Miguel is way over the top.

I've read elsewhere that United are struggling on the Griezman deal because of contract and, probably, CL reasons - saying the deal is too complicated is likely a cover for simply not being able to convince the player.

Giggsy11

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I think you criticism of Miguel is way over the top.

I've read elsewhere that United are struggling on the Griezman deal because of contract and, probably, CL reasons - saying the deal is too complicated is likely a cover for simply not being able to convince the player.

And in what world Lewandowski is more easy to sign player?