Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2017

adox

bangkok wrote: »

when someone calls a player a "stupid clown" for something that wasnt even obvious and some said he wouldnt be charged for, i will take pleasure in the result when i was proven correct along with another poster

See my previous post.....

Rayne Wooney

To be honest if what Rojo did is worth a ban then there would be 5 or 6 bans handed out every game for the stuff that goes on at corners.

It was a shade above harmless, he knew what he was doing but obviously didn't go over any line from what I could see.

adox

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

To be honest if what Rojo did is worth a ban then there would be 5 or 6 bans handed out every game for the stuff that goes on at corners.

It was a shade above harmless, he knew what he was doing but obviously didn't go over any line from what I could see.

So standing on someone is ok if you don't add too much force??

He's a very lucky boy imo. It was a scummy thing to do and I'm amazed he got away with it.

bangkok

adox wrote: »

So standing on someone is ok if you don't add too much force??

He's a very lucky boy imo. It was a scummy thing to do and I'm amazed he got away with it.

he didnt stamp on him and no it wasnt scummy as he didnt mean it

bucketybuck

M!Ck^ wrote: »

I could have swore he was a striker

You shouldn't swear.

Mr.H

Lets be honest he only got away with it because the ref seen it. It was nothing to do with it "not going over the line"

adox

bangkok wrote: »

he didnt stamp on him and no it wasnt scummy as he didnt mean it

He did. It was and he did.


This is fun...

mewe

Oh no he didn't...

Mr.H

He is behind you!!!

jayo26

Oh yes he did........




Have i got this right?

jayo26

jayo26 wrote: »

Oh yes he did........




Have i got this right?

Oh no you don't!

Anyway...

What did everyone make of Phil Jones at DM last night? He seemed to be alternating between CB and DM, as well as doing a bit of man-marking. I thought he was alright.

bangkok

adox wrote: »

He did. It was and he did.


This is fun...

Well 3 former referees sitting on a judging panel agree with me.

Goodnight

jayo26

bangkok wrote: »

Well 3 former referees sitting on a judging panel agree with me.

Goodnight

I agree with alot you say I think your a great craic too but you seriously are so childish haha.

Dont change dude lol.

jayo26

stankratz wrote: »

Oh no you don't!

Anyway...

What did everyone make of Phil Jones at DM last night? He seemed to be alternating between CB and DM, as well as doing a bit of man-marking. I thought he was alright.

He did very very well in first half until sending off. I actually think the tactics were spoy on apart from where jose told them to go in hard on hazzard they took it a bit too literally.

You can see where his tactics came from he had some of his toughest games as a Chelsea manager against really physical teams and he obviously knew they don't like it so it that respect it was spot on they just didn't do it clever enough.

Liam O

Jones has played some fantastic games in the past at DM. When Carrick plays he's almost like an advanced CB so it'd be interesting to try. Luiz and Dier are doing well in similar roles to what Jones would be playing if there was the move to the 3 at the back formation.

Would require Shaw becoming a decent wing back for the formation to work but could really free Pogba and Mkhitaryan.

adox

I think it showed glimpses of what we can hope for when a mobile defensive midfielder is signed in the summer.

Jones did well enough last night and really helped set the tempo of the team.
Not a long term solution but he certainly didn't look out of place last night.

jambofc

adox wrote: »

Like he had already done? So you want him so say it twice before booking a player?

It was pure idiocy from Herrera. An experienced player who should have known better than o put himself in that position.

you seem to be missing the point,it wasnt a foul Hazard was not even touched,imo Hazard should have been booked.
ive said it already players like Hazard are destroying the game.

adox wrote: »

You are incredibly annoying.

thats rough and no need for it.

adox

jambofc wrote: »

thats rough and no need for it.

Are you serious? I'm sure he/she will get over it.

If you think there's no need for it report it.

The_Kew_Tour

Rojo meant it. He has a bit of a dirty streak in him, not that I mind that from time to time, but what he did last night was wrong.

I don't mind a bit of the hard man stuff, actually wish there was more of it, but stamping a person on the ground is as low as you can go.

He deserved 10 match ban, just like Mings who got off light at weekend before.

adox

jambofc wrote: »

you seem to be missing the point,it wasnt a foul Hazard was not even touched,imo Hazard should have been booked.
ive said it already players like Hazard are destroying the game.

I'm not missing the point at all. It's actually probably slightly irrelevant to the debate whether he did catch him or not. It's a moot point.

He put his leg in to foul him directly from the free kick after Hazard had been fouled for the umpteenth time and the ref had stopped the game to have words with the Utd captain about it.

It was pure idiocy from such an experienced player.

secman

Did look like Rojo knew what he was doing, the only reason the panel didn't dish out a charge was entirely due to the fact that the ref said he saw the incident and dealt with it. I'm sure if ref didn't see it the panel would have done him.

xtal191

Possible leak of next year's jersey

The_Kew_Tour

At least you get a something decent with Adidas. They at least get 1 of the 3 new jerseys per season right.

I used to close both eyes and open them slowly when Nike brought out our jerseys for a while. Some were dreadful attempts.

Cantona's Collars

astradave wrote: »

So with Lukaku saying he is not signing a new contract, after previously saying he would. Dya's think we will be in for him and dya reckon he would be a better fit than Griezmann..

Atm I think he would be a better fit and if we picked him and a proper DM up I think it would make us a pretty formidable team going forward with an core of young players that could set us up for 6/7 years

Sure why not both,Ibra might be off to LA and Jose loves a big CF.Lukaku fits the bill also some Spanish papers saying we "are first in line for Griezmann".

Minderbinder

Mr.H wrote: »

Lets be honest he only got away with it because the ref seen it. It was nothing to do with it "not going over the line"

That rule doesn't apply to United. Zlatan was given a three game ban despite the ref seeing the incident and booking him for it.

Incidentally, I wonder what happened to that yellow card?

Giggsy11

Mr.H wrote: »

Lets be honest he only got away with it because the ref seen it. It was nothing to do with it "not going over the line"

FA have changed the rule last year or so.

Trigger

Giggsy11 wrote: »

FA have changed the rule last year or so.

Yeah anything that they deem violent conduct they can bypass the Refs report.. a stamp would definitely fall under the new rules

duffman13

Minderbinder wrote: »

That rule doesn't apply to United. Zlatan was given a three game ban despite the ref seeing the incident and booking him for it.

Incidentally, I wonder what happened to that yellow card?

Zlatan didn't get booked for that, he got a good talking to and that was it.

Giggsy11

astradave wrote: »

Yeah anything that they deem violent conduct they can bypass the Refs report.. a stamp would definitely fall under the new rules

Yeah. It was changed last year I think. All it takes is Sky or BBC to telecast it repeatedly.

bangkok

Happy birthday to the man of the moment on boards.. Paul Pogba

jayo26

bangkok wrote: »

Happy birthday to the man of the moment on boards.. Paul Pogba

Heard he is only 24 bless him.

Giggsy11

Taken from this Portuguese interview, where he talks about:

The changes he made in United's training facilities.

The changes that happened in the Premier League from when he arrived at Chelsea for the first time to now.

Sir Alex, how it hurt United when he left and how Mourinho sees him.

United fans

How long he sees himself at United

How his personality changed as his career progressed

How differently he is treated when compared to other coaches (Bilic and Wenger)

What he thinks about the media and how players use it nowadays

Shows his work place and talks about his coaching staff


First the funny story:

He basically starts off talking about Julio Cesar, currently at Benfica and was in his Inter squad. He says:

"There was a game against Fiorentina, we we're losing and then we came back, scored the "winning" goal in the 90-91th minute but then Fiorentina drew at 93/94. I enter the dressing room and as per usual i don't say anything but i saw some players, Julio for example, and others upset, like the world had ended and i didn't like that because we would be back in Florenza 2 days later to play the semi final of the cup.

And i, at the same time i was talking to them and telling them "let's wake up, we have to come here to win the semi final of the cup in 2 days, forget this result" decided to kick one of those shirts that were on the floor, i slipped, "backfliped" and fell on the floor. There was silence in the dressing room, no one dared to say a thing and i was laying there on the floor, all messed up with my back hurting".



1. The changes he made in United's training facilities.

He says they (probably him and his crew) had to put some order in the training facilities. First they divided it in 2 fields with the same size and grass as Old Trafford's.

Then he says they built another 2 with a grass called Desso, since it is a type of grass used by a lot of English clubs due to the weather. He says it is a mix of the usual grass with a tiny bit of synthetic one.

Also says they built all those fences around the pitch to avoid balls from going over and disappearing. To end of he talks how they worked in the lighting of the pitches, mentions he sometimes wants to do some training sessions at 3pm and without these new lights there were days where it was impossible.



2.The changes that happened in the Premier League from when he arrived at Chelsea for the first time to now

He starts by saying that in the end of the Ferguson era United didn't seem to realize how the Premier League was growing. How the Premier League was creating ways for every club to have financial power.

Then he gives examples: "When i arrived in 2004, i wanted to buy City's best player, and i bought (Shaun Wright-Philips, 31M). United wanted to buy Arsenal's best player, and they bought (Van Persie, 31M), wanted to buy Tottenham's best player, and they bought (Michael Carrick, 26M) and so on.

"Nowadays, the clubs grew in another dimension that the Premier League hopefully provided them, the way the TV money is distributed is almost a unique situation in the European football and all this made United stop being the "All powerful" to being part of a 5/6/7 elite followed by less powerful but never meaningless clubs, clubs that although don't have the same financial power can still fight.

(He praises Premier League for making teams more competitive)



3.Sir Alex, how it hurt United when he left and how Mourinho sees him

He kinda connects 2 with 3. He says that the exiting of SAF plus the fact teams were getting more and more competitive was a bit too much for United.

"The exit of an unique coach, that was more than a coach along with the inversion in strength in the clubs (Talking about how the clubs became more capable financially) made the club go by a period of instability where in 3 years United had 3 coaches if we consider Ryan Giggs which led to even some separation in a way between the club and the fans. Of course the fans still went to stadium and were behind the team but there wasn't that empathy."

The interviewer interrupts - "But that's changing now?"

Mourinho: "Totally, i had bad experiences here, bad results at home like draws against teams that we should win, draws where we had 70% possession like Watford, a game where we beat the record for shots on target, 23 against Burnley and people were happy leaving the stadium. The song they dedicated to me, unlike other clubs who usually sing my name or Special one, their song is about waking up in the morning, having a good feeling and how good Mourinho leads the team. Winning the championship this year is impossible, the distance is more than considerable but there is this empathy, people are happy, people like, people believe in the future".

Only about SAF: "We have the same relationship as before, a call or a text message in Christmas, a Birthday or before a more important game.

When he left United he wanted to leave and not come back but after i came here he came back and start visiting the people he worked with before. Even traveled with us 1 time to London, i told him it was non sense he would travel by private train and that he should go on car but he went by train in the end. He is so respectful that he becomes shy, it has to be us making him feel wanted, make him feel comfortable. Now he gets closer, he is an ambassador of the club and will always be but he has been doing that far from the dressing room, there are games where Sir Bobby and the director will come to the dressing room and he doesn't but I've told him he can do whatever a person of his dimension wants when it comes to the club."

(With this Mourinho wants to say that SAF can do what he wants because he respects and believes in him basically).



4. United fans

When i was asked to translate 3. i realized it wouldn't make sense if i didn't put it together with 4 so basically, everything he said about United fans is on the 3rd point. The thing he praised you guys the most for was definitely the chant, he seems to love it.



5.How long he sees himself at United

"I will stay for 3 years i believe, i believe the club understood they need some stability. Even if i don't reach that massive success that is harder and harder to reach in England but i reach some success i can see myself here as long as they want me. If both parties are happy and i have success i can see me staying for a long time."



6. How his personality has changed as his career progressed.

"Its the natural evolution of things, a thing is Porto scoring in the last minute in Old Trafford, a team of kids coached by a kid that in that moment felt that a dream could come true and another thing is 12/13 year after, now I react in a different way. But I still go home really mad after a loss and wanting to work, analyse, understand why, play again and win again that's for sure. I'm still a super happy man, I sometimes get mad and I still can get emotional with some more important wins. In that aspect i'm still the same".



7. How differently he is treated when compared to other coaches (Bilic and Wenger)

"I'm still a super happy man, I sometimes get mad and I still can get emotional with some more important wins. In that aspect i'm still the same".

"But then i understood because time and experience forced me to that i was treated in a different way, i was, in this country, forbidden to enter the stadium even when i had a ticket, i was stadium banned. This season i was also sent off for kicking a plastic bottle while a coach (Wenger) pushed a 4th official and nothing happened. Today the press tells that a coach (Bilic) picked up a microphone and threw it on the pitch and nothing happened too and i started to understand there are certain power you just can't fight and that is an unfair life lesson.



8.What he thinks about the media and how players use it nowadays

Interviewer: "Is the social media a bad thing in today's football? Does it give you headaches?"

Mourinho: No, no, i'm from the time where i, as assistant manager, was told to go to the back of the bus and see if the players were talking on the phone by my "bosses". When i got there the players were all using their phones and i would just tell him "Boss, its fine, no one is using the phone".

"In the start of the telephone era i already knew there were things you could do nothing about".

"We establish some pretty basic and necessary rules, an injured player can't release his injuries's current state until the club does it officially"

"Yes you can say that in my time it was unthinkable for a player to publish a photo of the team celebrating in the dressing room but my time was 20 years ago, there's things you don't fight"

"I have my instagram that i started because my business partners thought it was a good idea and then i got used to once a month publish a photo of an important moment, something funny, something that the people that like me will like to see, always basic things. In the end i learnt a lot from my kids, about the guys i work with, they are the same age"



9. Shows his work place and talks about his coaching staff

This one is a bit hard but i will try. First he says he brings some of his people to his new work place but that he likes to keep the people that were already there and teach them his ways, he gives everyone a chance.

He talks wonders about his assistant coach (Rui Faria), that he knows a lot about the game, that he has experience and that he knows very well how Mourinho likes things which means Mourinho trusts him fully if he ever needs to fail a training due to a reunion for example. He talks really well about the whole crew, you can see them in the end having supper.

The place that is shown at 17.08 is the place he uses to meet with players/coaches, whether is them wanting to meet or him calling them. He says some players will want to talk because they feel lack of confidence of have tactical problems.He also says he watches videos on that TV. The room he shows next is another place he says he likes to work, mentions the bike is just decoration and that the only times he uses it is when he is happy, when he wins.

17.40 is the view he gets to the training fields.

https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/5zd2zc/funny_story_from_mourinho_on_his_career_and/

Very good interview.

crkball6

Sounds like a good interview with Roy Keane tonight on off the ball

Jayop

So no Rojo ban. Expected as much. The video doesn't show any intent at all and only he knows if he meant to do anything. Would be nice if our own fans could back a player when there's an element of doubt.

Mitch Connor

Jayop wrote: »

So no Rojo ban. Expected as much. The video doesn't show any intent at all and only he knows if he meant to do anything. Would be nice if our own fans could back a player when there's an element of doubt.

Personally I saw absolutely no reason to think it was not 100% intentional so have no reason to back him on it.

Seriously - I just can't see the element of doubt in this:

https://twitter.com/mpecky61/status/841411724741758977

jayo26

Jayop wrote: »

So no Rojo ban. Expected as much. The video doesn't show any intent at all and only he knows if he meant to do anything. Would be nice if our own fans could back a player when there's an element of doubt.

I think the majority of fans do, it's a bit like Fellaini with his elbows and Ander with his sneaky antics or Costa woth his antics at Chelsea they are what they are but you prefer them to be doing it for you then against you.

Rojo has been alot better for us this year then most fans could of expected id happily see him kept as an important member of the squad.

bucketybuck

Jayop wrote: »

So no Rojo ban. Expected as much. The video doesn't show any intent at all and only he knows if he meant to do anything. Would be nice if our own fans could back a player when there's an element of doubt.

Back a player?

You can back your players and still call a spade a spade, fans can support their team without blindly rejecting reality in the name of being partisan.

Zlatan elbowed a player in the face, do you think we should pretend he didn't just because he plays for United? Of course not, I still support him and have no real problem with him retaliating in that instance, but I'm not going to pretend he didn't do it at all.

Rojo stamped on a Chelsea player, I don't particularly care that he did and I'm delighted he got away with it, but he did stamp on a player and I'm not going to pretend he didn't in the name of being a "fan".

Jayop

bucketybuck wrote: »

Back a player?

You can back your players and still call a spade a spade, fans can support their team without blindly rejecting reality in the name of being partisan.

Zlatan elbowed a player in the face, do you think we should pretend he didn't just because he plays for United? Of course not, I still support him and have no real problem with him retaliating in that instance, but I'm not going to pretend he didn't do it at all.

Rojo stamped on a Chelsea player, I don't particularly care that he did and I'm delighted he got away with it, but he did stamp on a player and I'm not going to pretend he didn't in the name of being a "fan".

Zlatan elbowed him intentionally. That's nothing alike.

The Rojo stamp had a massive element of doubt about it's being intentional as I said at the time.

Absolutely nothing alike between the two at all.

jayo26

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Personally I saw absolutely no reason to think it was not 100% intentional so have no reason to back him on it.

Seriously - I just can't see the element of doubt in this:

https://twitter.com/mpecky61/status/841411724741758977

I agree it was 100‰ intentional but I'm delighted he wasn't charged and be even happier if he scored a winner in the next couple of games

jayo26

Jayop wrote: »

Zlatan elbowed him intentionally. That's nothing alike.

The Rojo stamp had a massive element of doubt about it's being intentional as I said at the time.

Absolutely nothing alike between the two at all.

In all the replays you can see rojo move his foot in an unatural direction then pull it away when he realised what he has done that's my take on it.

If he had to of made contact with hazards head instead of his torso I think he would of got a five game ban easily,

bucketybuck

Jayop wrote: »

The Rojo stamp had a massive element of doubt about it's being intentional as I said at the time.

I don't think there is any doubt about it at all, and to be honest I think its so blatant that I wouldn't even know where to start debating it.

Lord TSC

bucketybuck wrote: »

I don't think there is any doubt about it at all, and to be honest I think its so blatant that I wouldn't even know where to start debating it.

Yeah, I don't know how anyone could argue it wasn't done on purpose. He's jumping over Hazard and then brings his leg straight down onto his body. It's not a natural "I've failed to jump over someone" stamp, it's a straight "He's under me, so I'm aiming for him" stamp.

Great he's not suspended, but Rojo has been so lucky this year with suspensions. With the two-footed lunges earlier in the season and this.

sReq | uTeK

Can Jayo26 or Jayop please change their name, im going crosseyed here.

jayo26

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Can Jayo26 or Jayop please change their name, im going crosseyed here.

No

Trigger

jayo26 wrote: »

In all the replays you can see rojo move his foot in an unatural direction then pull it away when he realised what he has done that's my take on it.

If he had to of made contact with hazards head instead of his torso I think he would of got a five game ban easily,

While I think he meant it I think the bolded part is actually what got him off.. I must have watched that 30 times on repeat just now and every time it seems he is spreading his legs in a jump overror motion while hazard roles under it. I still believe he meant it but there is definitely an element of doubt there.

sReq | uTeK

jayo26 wrote: »

No

C U * *

:P

jayo26

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

C U * *

:P

Bandage

Mourinho seems to be getting quite an easy ride from Manchester United supporters. Even prior to the deserved red card the other night, they approached the game like a minnow club. Picked a load of cloggers, stuck everyone behind the ball, man marked opposition danger players, systematically fouled their best player. It was fairly grim. His grandstanding in post-match interviews is pretty tiresome too. Oh look, there's Mourinho giving soliloquys about why he won't speak about something.

Jayop

Bandage wrote: »

Mourinho seems to be getting quite an easy ride from Manchester United supporters. Even prior to the deserved red card the other night, they approached the game like a minnow club. Picked a load of cloggers, stuck everyone behind the ball, man marked opposition danger players, systematically fouled their best player. It was fairly grim. His grandstanding in post-match interviews is pretty tiresome too. Oh look, there's Mourinho giving soliloquys about why he won't speak about something.

Cloggers. Ah OK.

jayo26

Bandage wrote: »

Mourinho seems to be getting quite an easy ride from Manchester United supporters. Even prior to the deserved red card the other night, they approached the game like a minnow club. Picked a load of cloggers, stuck everyone behind the ball, man marked opposition danger players, systematically fouled their best player. It was fairly grim. His grandstanding in post-match interviews is pretty tiresome too. Oh look, there's Mourinho giving soliloquys about why he won't speak about something.

Unlucky for you but I think by and large he been great.

His tactics the other night? He often employed similar tactics with Madrid and chelsea.. We were missing players and he choose to approach the game with tactics to throw chelsea off there game and succeeded for the first 35 minutes.