Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2017

Cantona's Collars

v3ttel wrote: »

Correct on both counts.

Sevilla as Europa League winners did not play in the qualifying round for the Champions League. If United win the Europa League (still a big if), and if Leicster win the Champions League (a massive if with flashing red lights and bells on it), then the fourth place team in England would miss out on Champions League.

You can only have a maximum of 5 teams from any country.

How cruel would it be if Arsenal or Liverpool came 4th and that scenario played out denying them Champions League football.:)

J. Marston

"I had to adapt to a new world. To what young players are now.

"I had to understand the difference between working with a boy like Frank Lampard, who, at the age of 23 was already a man, who thought football, work, professionalism, and the new boys who at the age of 23 are kids.

"Today I call them 'boys' not 'men'. Because I think that they are brats and that everything that surrounds them does not help them in their life nor in my work.

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/jose-mourinho-modern-football-brats-are-not-like-frank-lampard-at-23-a3495686.html

Wonder who our brats are?

zerks

zerks wrote: »

How cruel hilarious would it be if Arsenal or Liverpool came 4th and that scenario played out denying them Champions League football.:)

fyp

Lord TSC

zerks wrote: »

How cruel would it be if Arsenal or Liverpool came 4th and that scenario played out denying them Champions League football.:)

Rather the idea of us beating one to top four, and then winning he EL as well, meaning we took their CL spot when we didn't need it :P

Adamcp898

v3ttel wrote: »

Correct on both counts.

Sevilla as Europa League winners did not play in the qualifying round for the Champions League. If United win the Europa League (still a big if), and if Leicster win the Champions League (a massive if with flashing red lights and bells on it), then the fourth place team in England would miss out on Champions League.

You can only have a maximum of 5 teams from any country.

Don't have time to check, but I've a feeling Sevilla not having to play in the qualifying rounds was something to do with Real Madrid winning the CL and finishing in an automatic qualification spot in the league also.

TheDoctor

From Uefa re. where the winners of the Europa League enter the Champions League the following season

The Europa League title holders also enter directly into the group stage if either they or the Champions League title holders qualify for the group stage via their domestic leagues (if both teams qualify for the group stage via their domestic leagues, the champions of association 13 enter directly into the group stage).

Otherwise, the Europa League title holders enter directly the play-off round, with the route they enter depending on the Champions League title holders.

JaMarcusHustle

J. Marston wrote:

Wonder who our brats are?

I could think of plenty of candidates.

v3ttel

Adamcp898 wrote: »

Don't have time to check, but I've a feeling Sevilla not having to play in the qualifying rounds was something to do with Real Madrid winning the CL and finishing in an automatic qualification spot in the league also.

I had a look at the last two years of Champions League qualifying rounds and Sevilla weren't in either year, but there is a bit more detail behind that.

I think The Doctor has it spot on.

Korat

I recall in January not wanting to predict any outcome for the season until we'd played City. That stands for me.

That's a huge game for Utd's self esteem and for Mourinho.

It's worth remembering that Fergie played negatively against FCB in '08 and won the CL. He subsequently tried to play a more adventurous game in two finals and lost.

City don't have Messi but would you rather win ugly or lose in a style no one remembers anyway.

citytillidie

fergiesfolly wrote: »

Some one might clarify this for me, cos I googled it and the UEFA explanation is a little muddy.
If we finish fifth and win EL, we qualify for the CL group stages and don't have to play qualifier?

Also, and I may well have read this wrong but..
If we win EL and finish fifth and Leicester win CL (I know, I know) and don't finish top 4( which obviously they won't) the 4th placed team drops down to the EL.
Cos, it would make all my Christmas' dreams come true if that happened.

It is still a bit unclear at the moment but as it stands.
Untied will go into the group stage if the winners of this years champions league qualify for the group stage in their league performance.

As it stands if the following teams win the champions league Monaco, Bayern Munich, Dortmund, Real, Barca or Juve United will go into the group stage if they win the Europa league

If Leicester or Atlético Madrid win the champions league United will go into the play offs as nether of those are in a league spot that would get them to the group stage.

So on the 2nd point as it stands
Chelsea, Spurs, Man City, & Leicester would be in the group stage and Man Utd in the play-offs with Liverpool & Arsenal in the group stage of the Europa League

Korat

My understanding is that 5th place don't qualify for the CL soley on league position in any circumstances.

Nailz

Korat wrote: »

My understanding is that 5th place don't qualify for the CL in any circumstances.

... unless they win the EL or CL in the same season.


Mmm, ninja edit. :pac:

Korat

Nailz wrote: »

... unless they win the EL or CL in the same season.


Mmm, ninja edit. :pac:

You've gotta be quick to beat the snipers in the long grass around here. :P

jayo26

On this day

https://www.instagram.com/p/BR77SJIFW-I/

3 goals that would be up there in my top ten from recent times.

Lord TSC

Jayop

Jesus

jayo26

Lord TSC wrote: »

Little scamp.

Jayop

He's only 28 ffs. I thought he would have been older.

Just looking at the goal stats for him in germany he's going pretty well. 26 in 40 last season and 12 in 32 this year.

I'd be happy out to have him back.

StringerBell

I'm sure he would love to be back sitting on the bench.

jayo26

jayo26 wrote: »

On this day



3 goals that would be up there in my top ten from recent times.

Also, "on this day", 2 years ago...

LVG's United were really good that day in fairness.

jayo26

stankratz wrote: »

Also, "on this day", 2 years ago...

LVG's United were really good that day in fairness.

This thread was great craic that day infairness

Lord TSC

StringerBell wrote: »

I'm sure he would love to be back sitting on the bench.

This is it. I'd adore him back as a second striker, but he left because that didnt suit him. Or at least, playing 5 minutes of a game we're being ultra-defensive in didn't suit...

Jose has mentioned him, by name, twice in the last few weeks as being a player he'd never have let go of, and this is the second time I've seen Hernandez retweeting stuff like this. Stuns me the press aren't all over this. Seen them run stories with less substance.

RobertKK

The heat map for Gerrard 2 years ago was funny.

The_Kew_Tour

That was best game I ever saw Gerrard play. 2 good 5 yard passes and typical had be against us

Trigger

So just Smalling starting from the English lads tonight. Hopefully Shaw gets some minutes anyways

0gac3yjefb5sv7

Hope Rashford is rested up and doesn't come on.

GSPfan

Pheonix10 wrote: »

Hope Rashford is rested up and doesn't come on.

Nahh. He's had an easy season. Would like him to play every game till the end of season.

Nalz

Pheonix10 wrote: »

Hope Rashford is rested up and doesn't come on.

On

jayo26

GSPfan wrote: »

Nahh. He's had an easy season. Would like him to play every game till the end of season.

He actually hasn't he has played a decent amount of games and looked very tired lately.

GSPfan

jayo26 wrote: »

He actually hasn't he has played a decent amount of games and looked very tired lately.

No he hasn't. He barely played for the first two months of the season and he is in the team one week and out the next. He's looked out of form recently is all. If a 19 year old is tired after playing half a season then we are in serious trouble.

RobertKK

RobertKK wrote: »

The heat map for Gerrard 2 years ago was funny.

Since Jayo mentioned it and I had free time, I had a quick look back at the thread from that day. The heat map was a classic (http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=94787112&postcount=2415), but JaMarcusHustle channeling V3ttel channeling The Townie stole it for me...

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=94788587&postcount=2504

RobertKK

Marca yesterday reported United are interested in signing Mbappe.
Cope then reported United bid €80 million for Mbappe, before going back in with a €110 million bid, which they claim Monaco rejected.
Sport Witness say this is unlikely, but could be using United to make out how hard it will be to sign Mbappe.

Cantona's Collars

RobertKK wrote: »

Marca yesterday reported United are interested in signing Mbappe.
Cope then reported United bid €80 million for Mbappe, before going back in with a €110 million bid, which they claim Monaco rejected.
Sport Witness say this is unlikely, but could be using United to make out how hard it will be to sign Mbappe.

The morning's papers saying Wenger will stay for 2 seasons to help the transition to a new manager,(Moyes is doing up his CV) Ozil and Sanchez will be sold in an overhaul. I'd love to see Sanchez at United, a top player and a winner at heart.

jayo26

RobertKK wrote: »

Marca yesterday reported United are interested in signing Mbappe.
Cope then reported United bid €80 million for Mbappe, before going back in with a €110 million bid, which they claim Monaco rejected.
Sport Witness say this is unlikely, but could be using United to make out how hard it will be to sign Mbappe.

100 percent believe he will end up with madrid and his fee will make martials look small.

Trigger

jayo26 wrote: »

100 percent believe he will end up with madrid and his fee will make martials look small.

Sure isn't Ronaldo his idol or something..

jayo26

astradave wrote: »

Sure isn't Ronaldo his idol or something..

He is a madrid fan read it a few weeks ago and his dad is his agent and has turned down a hoast of clubs to make sure his son gets decent game time to help him progress.

I can see him staying at Monaco for another year or so and then moving on to Madrid for mega money.

StringerBell

One of the clubs he had apparently turned down was Madrid as he did not think he was ready yet, but that is where he wants to end up himself by his own account.

Pete Moss

zerks wrote: »

The morning's papers saying Wenger will stay for 2 seasons to help the transition to a new manager,(Moyes is doing up his CV) Ozil and Sanchez will be sold in an overhaul. I'd love to see Sanchez at United, a top player and a winner at heart.

My ideal signing this summer. I'd forego any defensive upgrades to the squad, if United could sign Sanchez. I'd play Ashley Young and Romero at centre-half next season, if he could be bought.

Not only is he a top talent with a winning mentality, but the craic I had with Arsenal fans when United signed RvP was great, so I'd love another rip at that. I'm a petty individual, I know.

Korat

Bringing in Sanchez would be some coup. It would be raining bitter tears around here.

jayo26

I dont think Sanchez would have any intrest in joining us or another premier team. I think he is respectful enough to arsenal that he wouldn't stay in the country but then again I could be wrong.

bangkok

Linked with willian and toby alderweild, would be 2 excellent signings

Korat

jayo26 wrote: »

I dont think Sanchez would have any intrest in joining us or another premier team. I think he is respectful enough to arsenal that he wouldn't stay in the country but then again I could be wrong.

I never thought in a million years that RVP would ever join Utd or that we'd ever want him. But "..football, bloody hell", you just never know.:)

jayo26

Korat wrote: »

I never thought in a million years that RVP would ever join Utd or that we'd ever want him. But "..football, bloody hell", you just never know.:)

Yehh that's so true. I think rvp just wanted to play for an ambitious manager that wins things

Pete Moss

jayo26 wrote: »

I dont think Sanchez would have any intrest in joining us or another premier team. I think he is respectful enough to arsenal that he wouldn't stay in the country but then again I could be wrong.

I see your point and maybe it is just daydreaming stuff, but then again I saw Sanchez laughing when Arsenal conceded their tenth goal (on aggregate, but feck it, it's still ten goals!) against Munich.

Korat

It has now got me thinking of the sequence of events which might lead to a Sanchez arrival, and they're not that unlikely.

Utd qualifying for the CL would be the predicate and after that if Arsenal don't or Wenger leaves or his agent doesn't get a birthday cake, it's game on. I'd be more optimistic about it if I had any faith in Ed Woodward as a negotiator.

TheDoc

Lord TSC wrote: »

This is it. I'd adore him back as a second striker, but he left because that didnt suit him. Or at least, playing 5 minutes of a game we're being ultra-defensive in didn't suit...

Jose has mentioned him, by name, twice in the last few weeks as being a player he'd never have let go of, and this is the second time I've seen Hernandez retweeting stuff like this. Stuns me the press aren't all over this. Seen them run stories with less substance.

And yet he is so far and away the polar opposite of a striker Mourinho would use. He'd only be using him as an impact sub, or it would be a drastic change in tactics and Jose's methods to utilise a striker like that.

Korat

TheDoc wrote: »

And yet he is so far and away the polar opposite of a striker Mourinho would use. He'd only be using him as an impact sub, or it would be a drastic change in tactics and Jose's methods to utilise a striker like that.

Eto'o?

jayo26

Pete Moss wrote: »

I see your point and maybe it is just daydreaming stuff, but then again I saw Sanchez laughing when Arsenal conceded their tenth goal (on aggregate, but feck it, it's still ten goals!) against Munich.

My problem is a write what I think without thinking

Mitch Connor

TheDoc wrote: »

And yet he is so far and away the polar opposite of a striker Mourinho would use. He'd only be using him as an impact sub, or it would be a drastic change in tactics and Jose's methods to utilise a striker like that.

Maybe he'd be happy to be a rotation/sub player at a big club again - though it would be a massive departure from his previous attitude (at Madrid and United) from what I have been told elsewhere.

It is interesting - looks like Rooney will be gone in the summer and there are still question marks over Ibrahimovic. Leaving Martial and Rashford. Even if we were to sign a top level striker or forward there is still ample room for thinking a further striker/forward signing would be required - and a rotational/substitution one at that.

Mitch Connor

Korat wrote: »

It has now got me thinking of the sequence of events which might lead to a Sanchez arrival, and they're not that unlikely.

Utd qualifying for the CL would be the predicate and after that if Arsenal don't or Wenger leaves or his agent doesn't get a birthday cake, it's game on. I'd be more optimistic about it if I had any faith in Ed Woodward as a negotiator.

I just don't think Arsenal sell to United and they/Sanchez would have more than enough options elsewhere. PSG, At. Madrid and Juve would be 3 teams I could see going for him.

You could point to the RVP signing to show we could sign him from Arsenal, but I think the RVP signing and fallout is just another reason why signing Sanchez simply won't happen.

As a wing forward, I could see us going for, and signing, Willian far more easily.