Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2017

TheDoc · 30-03-2017 9:59am

jayo26 wrote: »

I wouldnt of thought they could afford him. The money would break every structure they have in the club.

Really? Bayern have frequently paid big bucks for players they want and feel will improve their first team squad.

They just havn't made an entry into the "crazy" market recently, but they have frequently outlaid 30-50 million on players for their first team.

I'd imagine the draw of winning trophies and going deep in the CL each year is a big draw for players too who are actually interested in that over pure $$$$

StringerBell · 30-03-2017 10:02am

TheDoc wrote: »

Really? Bayern have frequently paid big bucks for players they want and feel will improve their first team squad.

They just havn't made an entry into the "crazy" market recently, but they have frequently outlaid 30-50 million on players for their first team.

I'd imagine the draw of winning trophies and going deep in the CL each year is a big draw for players too who are actually interested in that over pure $$$$

How frequently have they spent 50million on players? I'll have a look in but I doubt its too much, they have a wage structure they don't break and they don't spend ridiculous money in the transfer market as a rule. The only time's I remember them paying big fee's are when they are activating release clauses ala Hummels, Goetze etc and neither cost close to 50 did they?

That is of course to ignore that it would be taking considerably more then 30-50milliion to prize Griezmann away

Edit: From a quick look Javi Martinez (release clause) 40m Euro, most they ever spent, not close to 50million pounds
Gotze (release clause) E36m

A whole host of players in the E20m to E35m range.

It appears they have never even spent as much as 35m pounds on a player never mind 40 or 50, generally spending between 20-30m

Johner · 30-03-2017 10:04am

StringerBell wrote: »

How frequently have they spent 50million on players?

I think the most they spent was €40m on Javi Martinez.

Lucas Hood · 30-03-2017 10:05am

Bayern's record signing is Javi Martinez at €40m.

Mitch Connor · 30-03-2017 10:19am

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Bayern's record signing is Javi Martinez at €40m.

The renato sanches deal includes addons that can bring it to €80million

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 30-03-2017 10:52am

Really need the win at the weekend badly, can't afford a draw/loss.

Thinking maybe the team below:

De Gea
Shaw/Darmian/Blind, Rojo, Bailly, Val
Carrick, Herrera
Martial, Mata, Micki
Rashford

StringerBell · 30-03-2017 10:53am

Mitch Connor wrote: »

The renato sanches deal includes addons that can bring it to €80million

Was that confirmed or speculated?

What are the add ons? Are they more personal (as I would assume with the huge jumps) such a WPOTY awards etc or team orientated (which I don't think is as likely to push up the higher end cause other then the CL he is not going to make or break their seasons in terms of trophies, and even at that)

Its listed as a E36m deal at the minute I think.

Lord TSC · 30-03-2017 10:54am

Pheonix10 wrote: »

Really need the win at the weekend badly, can't afford a draw/loss.

The title of the End of Season DVD?

Lord TSC · 30-03-2017 10:55am

I had actually forgotten we've moved up to 5th, above Arsenal, and winning our games in hand could move us above Liverpool too...

Kerrydude1981 · 30-03-2017 10:57am

Lord TSC wrote: »

The title of the End of Season DVD?

Nil Nil

Lucas Hood · 30-03-2017 11:14am

Mitch Connor wrote: »

The renato sanches deal includes addons that can bring it to €80million

Potentially yes but nowhere near that yet.

Giggsy11 · 30-03-2017 11:14am

StringerBell wrote: »

Was that confirmed or speculated?

What are the add ons? Are they more personal (as I would assume with the huge jumps) such a WPOTY awards etc or team orientated (which I don't think is as likely to push up the higher end cause other then the CL he is not going to make or break their seasons in terms of trophies, and even at that)

Its listed as a E36m deal at the minute I think.

Benfica official announcement said it was 35 Million upfront and 45 Million addons.

The addons published at that time was 5 Million every year Sanches makes 25 appearances. So that's 25 Million easily paid.

20 Million if he is nominated for Ballon d'Or.

Also re the wages, Gotze was on 12 Million euros per year and that's the reason Kroos was pissed off. Apparently Lewandowski is on 15 Million Euros per year contract. So they can flex their muscles when it comes to transfer fee and wages.

Cantona's Collars · 30-03-2017 11:45am

José pretty much writing off signing Neymar.

http://m.goal.com/s/en/news/11/transfer-zone/2017/03/30/34136662/signing-neymar-is-impossible-mourinho?utm_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.redcafe.net%2Fthreads%2Fneymar.424110%2Fpage-8

Headshot · 30-03-2017 11:49am

zerks wrote: »

José pretty much writing off signing Neymar.

http://m.goal.com/s/en/news/11/transfer-zone/2017/03/30/34136662/signing-neymar-is-impossible-mourinho?utm_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.redcafe.net%2Fthreads%2Fneymar.424110%2Fpage-8

That chapter ended quickly lol

jayo26 · 30-03-2017 11:58am

Bayern can flex muscles but not even close to what it would take for Griezman to be favorite to sign for them.

Bayern are one of the clubs Complaining of the riches in the premier league that they can't keep up with.

They would need to more or less double their record fee paid to meet his release clause and the wage cap would need to be nearly doubled too i cant imagine Griezman moving for less then 250k pounds a week more then 300k euros.

Hococop · 30-03-2017 12:05pm

Headshot wrote: »

That chapter ended quickly lol

Good, sick of dumbass media dragging the crap out of a pointless transfer just for click bait when we say nothing

beno619 · 30-03-2017 12:13pm

Hococop wrote: »

Good, sick of dumbass media dragging the crap out of a pointless transfer just for click bait when we say nothing

More importantly fans having ridiculous expectations and then getting pissed off about transfers that were never going to happen.

jayo26 · 30-03-2017 12:17pm

Headshot wrote: »

That chapter ended quickly lol

He was hardley going to say it's going to be easy to bring neymar to Manchester I think I have the deal wrapped up

I fully expect neymar and Griezman and Lukaku to be our front 3 next year and jose is only playing down the speculation it's as simple as that...........

jayo26 · 30-03-2017 12:19pm

Hococop wrote: »

Good, sick of dumbass media dragging the crap out of a pointless transfer just for click bait when we say nothing

The problem then is that every one we don't deny is a deal we're working on.... I prefer that we just don't say nothing and don't get envolved in it.

This thread would be so dull in June if the club instantly ruled out every transfer link.

Giggsy11 · 30-03-2017 12:42pm

jayo26 wrote: »

Bayern can flex muscles but not even close to what it would take for Griezman to be favorite to sign for them.

Bayern are one of the clubs Complaining of the riches in the premier league that they can't keep up with.

They would need to more or less double their record fee paid to meet his release clause and the wage cap would need to be nearly doubled too i cant imagine Griezman moving for less then 250k pounds a week more then 300k euros.

There is no wage cap at Bayern. They don't offer big contract to players they think is not worth it.

For example, Gotze was on 12 Million per year and apparently Lewandowski is on 15 Million per year. Players like Muller, Lahm, Neuer are on big contracts too.

Edit: Bayern wages is 260 Million Euros, that around 224 Million. ManUtd's wages is 232 Million (From Swissramble)

bucketybuck · 30-03-2017 12:49pm

jayo26 wrote: »

This thread would be so dull in June if the club instantly ruled out every transfer link.

Personally I find the constant reports on who the media is linking us with day by day to be incredibly boring, if I wanted to know who the papers thought we were after then I would go and buy a paper.

I don't mind discussion on possible targets, what they might bring to the side or not, but I don't see the point in these lists of every flavour of the month that it is theoretically possible for us to buy. Thats just me though, so I'd be delighted if the club came out every week and said point blank, "no we aren't interested, stop writing crap".

Lucas Hood · 30-03-2017 1:02pm

I wonder if Adidas would be happy if Bayern signed Pumas highest profile player in Griezmann.
Adidas own 9% of Bayern.

Cantona's Collars · 30-03-2017 1:05pm

Real Madrid will be made to pay astronomical figures if they firm up interest in David De Gea, who does not have a buyout clause in his Manchester United contract.

Reports in Spain suggested Real believe De Gea could be signed for £52million after the goalkeeper demanded a clause be inserted into the four-year deal signed in 2015.

But it is understood a fee of more than double Gianluigi Buffon’s £33m world-record transfer to Juventus would be required if he ever did leave Old Trafford.

De Gea is said to be settled in the North West and enjoying life at Old Trafford
Missing out on the Champions League would cause him to consider a move
Thibaut Courtois and Gianluigi Donnarumma are options for Real Madrid

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4363980/Man-Utd-news-David-Gea-transfer-blow-Real-Madrid.html#ixzz4coI9KQR9
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Leroy42 · 30-03-2017 1:09pm

bucketybuck wrote: »

Personally I find the constant reports on who the media is linking us with day by day to be incredibly boring, if I wanted to know who the papers thought we were after then I would go and buy a paper.

I don't mind discussion on possible targets, what they might bring to the side or not, but I don't see the point in these lists of every flavour of the month that it is theoretically possible for us to buy. Thats just me though, so I'd be delighted if the club came out every week and said point blank, "no we aren't interested, stop writing crap".

It does Utd no harm at all to be constantly in the press due to these rumours.

Brand ManUtd needs constant PR, and media stories like this keep ManUtd in the press even when there is really nothing to talk about.

Most companies would give their right eye to have that level of free publicity, especially when the companies products are performing so averagely. It is much better to have people to focus on what is coming next rather than start to question what is actually in front of them

Giggsy11 · 30-03-2017 1:27pm

Lucas Hood wrote: »

I wonder if Adidas would be happy if Bayern signed Pumas highest profile player in Griezmann.
Adidas own 9% of Bayern.

Hardly matters. Players like Lewandowski, Gotze, Boateng, Thiago, Douglas Costa, Coman are Nike athletes and plays/played for Bayern.

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 30-03-2017 1:35pm

zerks wrote: »

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4363980/Man-Utd-news-David-Gea-transfer-blow-Real-Madrid.html#ixzz4coI9KQR9
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60 mil is peanuts for him. Come back with 100m then we'll still say no.

Lucas Hood · 30-03-2017 1:37pm

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Hardly matters. Players like Lewandowski, Gotze, Boateng, Thiago, Douglas Costa, Coman are Nike athletes and plays/played for Bayern.

Nike is not Puma though.
Google Adidas & Puma history if you're not aware of it.

TheDoc · 30-03-2017 1:43pm

StringerBell wrote: »

How frequently have they spent 50million on players? I'll have a look in but I doubt its too much, they have a wage structure they don't break and they don't spend ridiculous money in the transfer market as a rule. The only time's I remember them paying big fee's are when they are activating release clauses ala Hummels, Goetze etc and neither cost close to 50 did they?

That is of course to ignore that it would be taking considerably more then 30-50milliion to prize Griezmann away

Edit: From a quick look Javi Martinez (release clause) 40m Euro, most they ever spent, not close to 50million pounds
Gotze (release clause) E36m

A whole host of players in the E20m to E35m range.

It appears they have never even spent as much as 35m pounds on a player never mind 40 or 50, generally spending between 20-30m

Well the point I was trying to make is that they never have to enter the crazy market.

They suppliment their squad here and there, and don't have to break the bank considering buying domestically is cheap enough in Germany, and even buying in foreign isn't a massive ordeal because they are such a well run club that competes every single season. They do their business efficently and identify targets well in advance.

When was the last time you ever felt Bayern were in a crisis having to rebuild a team? They are just seemless when it comes to their squad transition, its brilliant.

So when I say they have paid big bucks, it's relative. Like big money for Sanchez, 40m on Martinez was a big outlay, 35m or whatever on Vidal with the concerns around him is a big outlay, snapping up Dortmunds players for 30-35m.

Sure it's not dropping the current mental money, but these are still big outlays on players in the environment they operate in. They arn't in a cut throat league like England where everyone is after the same players and the prices inflate.

GSPfan · 30-03-2017 1:45pm

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Nike is not Puma though.
Google Adidas & Puma history if you're not aware of it.

Its a mad story isn't it? The ad from a few years ago about two brothers inventing the Twix and falling out with each other had to be based on that.

Cantona's Collars · 30-03-2017 1:48pm

Pheonix10 wrote: »

60 mil is peanuts for him. Come back with 100m then we'll still say no.

Madrid thought they'd get him for £35 million,the news of no buyout clause means we can name our price.

Giggsy11 · 30-03-2017 1:57pm

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Nike is not Puma though.
Google Adidas & Puma history if you're not aware of it.

Thanks, wasn't aware of that.

TheDoc · 30-03-2017 1:57pm

Speculation now that we are looking into Kimmich from Bayern, now there is a ready made Carrick replacement :O

Mitch Connor · 30-03-2017 1:58pm

zerks wrote: »

Madrid thought they'd get him for £35 million,the news of no buyout clause means we can name our price.

so they'll get him for 30million instead!

Cantona's Collars · 30-03-2017 2:02pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

so they'll get him for 30million instead!

We don't do that anymore.

Speaking of Madrid,the media in Spain have jumped from Neymar to Bale joining us instead.
http://www.diariogol.com/es/notices/2017/03/gareth-bale-presiona-a-florentino-perez-con-una-llamada-del-united-de-mourinho-73120.php

The_Kew_Tour · 30-03-2017 2:08pm

I take Bale in a shot. The type of player we have been crying for

TheDoc · 30-03-2017 2:27pm

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I take Bale in a shot. The type of player we have been crying for

We should start posting team formattions on our potential signings

jayo26 · 30-03-2017 2:30pm

TheDoc wrote: »

We should start posting team formattions on our potential signings

4-3-8 formation by looks of it.

Mitch Connor · 30-03-2017 2:31pm

TheDoc wrote: »

We should start posting team formattions on our potential signings

donnarumma
Fabinho---Varane--Baily---Alba

Bakayoko

Pogba

Pereira
-Greizman

Martial

Lukaku

Lord TSC · 30-03-2017 2:38pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

donnarumma
Fabinho---Varane--Baily---Alba
Bakayoko
Pogba
Pereira
-Greizman
Martial
Lukaku

No Sanchez, 4/10 :P

Mitch Connor · 30-03-2017 2:39pm

Lord TSC wrote: »

No Sanchez, 4/10 :P

pfft, Sanchez ain't coming to United - i'm trying to be realistic here....

paulbok · 30-03-2017 2:45pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

donnarumma
Fabinho---Varane--Baily---Alba
Bakayoko
Pogba
Pereira
-Greizman
Martial
Lukaku

Somewhere, Futureguy is having a heart attack looking at his upcoming Summer workload.

beno619 · 30-03-2017 3:09pm

Mitch Connor wrote: »

donnarumma
Fabinho---Varane--Baily---Alba
Bakayoko
Pogba
Pereira
-Greizman
Martial
Lukaku

Andreas Pereira ? Have you been following him this season ? If so why is he in your side ?

Liam McPoyle · 30-03-2017 3:12pm

jayo26 wrote: »

4-3-8 formation by looks of it.

sigmundv · 30-03-2017 3:21pm

TheDoc wrote:

We should start posting team formattions on our potential signings

There was a guy on here who was (in)famous for posting a lot of hypothetical starting XIs. Is he still here?

jayo26 · 30-03-2017 3:26pm

sigmundv wrote: »

There was a guy on here who was (in)famous for posting a lot of hypothetical starting XIs. Is he still here?

I dont think it's bangkok anyway he gets his off the sky sports news page.

Cantona's Collars · 30-03-2017 3:27pm

Arrived the other day.

Mitch Connor · 30-03-2017 3:30pm

beno619 wrote: »

Andreas Pereira ? Have you been following him this season ? If so why is he in your side ?

he's in it for much the same reason others are in it, bit of a fun.

Not watched any of his games in spain, not watched any games in spain, period. have seen some highlights of his performance in a few games and he has looked awesome. But they are selected highlights, from selected games. I think he is a more talented player than Lingard (going back to when I would have seen him at United and comparing off that) and they play similar roles so if lingard can command a place in the squad Pereira should be given a shot too, imo.

xtal191 · 30-03-2017 4:32pm

zerks wrote: »

Arrived the other day.

Hows the sizing on that?

adox · 30-03-2017 4:44pm

sigmundv wrote: »

There was a guy on here who was (in)famous for posting a lot of hypothetical starting XIs. Is he still here?

shadowcomplex and his alter egos.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 30-03-2017 5:04pm

zerks wrote: »

Arrived the other day.

Cool. There will be sleeve sponsors next season, who will be United's official sleeve sponsor is the question!

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