Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2017

Mars Bar

expected goals I think

jayo26

Mars Bar wrote: »

expected goals I think

Ha yeh it is i had to google it.

Pro. F

jayo26 wrote: »

What's xG?

Ok expected goals im not going to even discuss it because I don't even believe it's a proper statistic and that's not been smart I just don't see the point of it.

The point of it is that not all shots are equal. In the data that you are looking at you make no differentiation between a contested header from 18 yards out off a long ball and a two yard tap in with no 'keeper in the way. That's why you've ended up concluding that our attacking play has been pretty even with Liverpool's.

jayo26

Pro. F wrote: »

The point of it is that not all shots are equal. In the data that you are looking at you make no differentiation between a contested header from 18 yards out off a long ball and a two yard tap in with no 'keeper in the way. That's why you've ended up concluding that our attacking play has been pretty even with Liverpool's.

The that's a fair point but then ill go on what I've seen from the season so far and ill still say our finishing has been crap and I don't need expected goals to tell me it isn't.

jayo26

Pro. F wrote: »

I give up.

Ok so forget any statistics then what are you saying? Your saying that it's not the finishing at fault entirely but that its as much down to the managers tactics?

Pro. F

jayo26 wrote: »

Ok so forget any statistics then what are you saying? Your saying that it's not the finishing at fault entirely but that its as much down to the managers tactics?

I had deleted that post, but this is fine.

Aside from the point about the different stats, I'm saying that finishing is very prone to luck and people shouldn't be drawing too many conclusions from the supposedly poor finishing.

jayo26

Pro. F wrote: »

I had deleted that post, but this is fine.

Aside from the point about the different stats, I'm saying that finishing is very prone to luck and people shouldn't be drawing too many conclusions from the supposedly poor finishing.

It is down to luck at times but you also make your own luck. Liverpool been the top scorers in the league is not down to luck its down to more then one player been able to finish chances.

If after watching United all this season and you think it's only supposedly poor finishing well I really do give up.

How Soon Is Now

0-0 final score 11-1 on paddy power interesting....

markc91

Tbh coming into these two home games id have hoped for 6 points but would have taken 4 as long as we win tonight top 4 is still on, drop points tonight and i think that will be all she wrote players will be rested for Europa then so give these a hiding tonight and beat sunderland on sunday and were right back in the mix

The_Kew_Tour

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

0-0 final score 11-1 on paddy power interesting....

Always go "No Goalscorer"

Its usually same odds but if they're a OG scored you still win.

Small chance of it happening but it does come up the odd time

Pro. F

jayo26 wrote: »

It is down to luck at times but you also make your own luck. Liverpool been the top scorers in the league is not down to luck its down to more then one player been able to finish chances.

No, it's down to them creating a good number and quality of chances. They've also probably had a bit of luck go there way too. On the other hand we have been less good at creating and have also probably been unlucky in converting.

jayo26 wrote: »

If after watching United all this season and you think it's only supposedly poor finishing well I really do give up.

I am not saying that finishing has not been a problem this season, I am just pointing out that you can't draw too many conclusions from that.

https://twitter.com/ManUtd/status/849320646945517572

Hank Scorpio

That lineup doesn't fill me with optimism, Everton are a tough team

Liam McPoyle

paulbok wrote: »

Is this analogy about Fellaini or Bangkok?

Hah, the dog of course.

People may not always agree with him but he's a sound fella. That's what I like about this thread. We can disagree with each other, strongly in some instances but it has never descended into the level of bullying needle seen in other threads. One of my favourite threads on boards.

Lithium93_

I've De Gea & Lukaku in my Fantasy Football team, who cancels who out on me points wise.

jayo26

Zlatan "lion's they don't compare themselves to humans" when asked why he didn't name himself as the best striker in to the league haha.

Hank Scorpio

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

That lineup doesn't fill me with optimism, Everton are a tough team

Why so?

Lord TSC

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Why so?

From a pure skill level, it's probably not massively strong. Carrick/Fellaini rarely works together, Lingard and Rashford don't fill me with massive confidence, and Young is Young.

Lord TSC

Lord TSC wrote: »

From a pure skill level, it's probably not massively strong. Carrick/Fellaini rarely works together, Lingard and Rashford don't fill me with massive confidence, and Young is Young.

I'd give Lingard some credit and I've been his biggest critic. He's being doing better than Rashford & Martial and has been providing more of a threat.

bangkok

Lithium93_ wrote: »

I've De Gea & Lukaku in my Fantasy Football team, who cancels who out on me points wise.

Best situation, utd win 3-1 de gea saves a baines peno, lukaku scores, de gea gets 3 assists and 3 bonus points

Hank Scorpio

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Why so?

I don't think Lingard and Rashford are good wingers. Valencia being out will add to that. Pogba, Miki, Martial on the bench, first choice starters.

I guess I'm extra pessimistic cause I'm tired of us fecking it up every home game when it's a "must win".

bangkok

Rooney fading into the memory at this stage. Not in the squad. "Ankle injury"

Lord TSC

M!Ck^ wrote: »

I'd give Lingard some credit and I've been his biggest critic. He's being doing better than Rashford & Martial and has been providing more of a threat.

Credit where it's due...I don't believe he's good enough for our first team, and think his skill level is where it is. BUT he absolutely plays his heart out, has a brilliant attitude and I understand completely why Jose trusts him over Martial or Mkhi. His best may not be amazing, but you can always trust him to try to give his best.

adox

Rashford has looked better out wide so happy with him there. Gives him more of a chance to open his legs out there and he's a fairly intellegent footballer.

With Lingard on the other side I like setting up like that with two pacey wide players.

adox

Robbie Savage hasn't stopped moaning about Fellaini since the match started. Ugh.

yabadabado

adox wrote: »

Robbie Savage hasn't stopped moaning about Fellaini since the match started. Ugh.

He is a nuisance and can barely form a sentence . A poor man's Dunphy :eek:

ElChe32

ffs..

KH25

Sweet Jesus.

adox

Poor from De Gea and Rojo.

The weakest part of De Geas game shown up right there.

How Soon Is Now

Glad didn't go with that bet.....

I did go with another one though and hoffenhiem are beating bayern!

Oh ya and where losing shock horror.

Hococop

Not surprised anymore

BenK

The team tonight is lacking serious quality. In an attacking sense, apart from Zlatan, not much genuine threat. A lot of huff and puff but not much else.

Mantis Toboggan

Surprise surprise

How Soon Is Now

BenK wrote: »

The team tonight is lacking serious quality. In an attacking sense, apart from Zlatan, not much genuine threat. A lot of huff and puff but not much else.

Could of swore I heard more then once in here this season that we had one best if not best squads in league!

dubmick

Just can't see this team scoring two goals

yabadabado

adox wrote: »

Poor from De Gea and Rojo.

The weakest part of De Geas game shown up right there.

Yeah they shod have dealt with that easily enough.

bangkok

Fellaini no10 mkhitarayan on the bench. Baby jesus is crying

mada999

good chance with this free kick...

mada999

bangkok wrote: »

Fellaini no10 mkhitarayan on the bench. Baby jesus is crying

it's typical Mourinho....defensive first plus he's an asset for set pieces...
Mkh will come on later when Everton are tired...

adox

bangkok wrote: »

Fellaini no10 mkhitarayan on the bench. Baby jesus is crying

Miki was utter muck at the weekend and can have no complaints.
Your agenda is so tiresome and boring at this stage.

KH25

Feel it's going to be one of those nights.

Hococop

KH25 wrote: »

Feel it's going to be one of those nights.

Whats that now, the 8-10th time this god damn ****ing season

S.M.B.

Execution of some of the most basic of tasks has been such a struggle at times this season.

Ridiculous.

jimmytwotimes 2013

KH25 wrote: »

Feel it's going to be one of those nights.

It's deserved luck tho. Happening all year, record is so bad I don't even expect home wins anymore.

BenK

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

Could of swore I heard more then once in here this season that we had one best if not best squads in league!

While I wouldn't agree with that, there are players that should be offering more than they are, i.e Mikhi, Martial etc.

mada999

Everton's passing as been poor...

Leroy42

Have Utd had a shot on target yet?

mada999

mada999 wrote: »

Everton's passing as has been poor...

Wrong thread I'd say also :pac:

Mars Bar

Leroy42 wrote: »

Have Utd had a shot on target yet?

the free kick and Rashford's shot

Leroy42

Wow, one shot from a free kick at home.

How exactly is this any better than last year?