Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2017

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Lithium93_

zerks wrote: »

https://t.co/hzZp7EY2vl

https://twitter.com/MailSport/status/851917863711592449

Goodbye and thanks for the memories over the years.

Liam McPoyle

zerks wrote: »

https://t.co/hzZp7EY2vl

https://twitter.com/MailSport/status/851917863711592449

His goose is certainly cooked at the club but for everything he has done I'd like to see him go out on a high.

Dream scenario would be him appearing in the EL final, doing well and with us ultimately winning it.

Lord TSC

Would imagine Carricks testimonial will be Rooneys last game for United.

TheDoc

Korat wrote: »

No harm in critically analysing but I think Doc made his mind about Mourinho a long time ago. I hope it can be turned by events on the pitch rather than following popular opinion of the guy.

I think it's very clear in the thread that I'm in the minority in terms of feeling comfortable criticising him or raising concerns.

And the "high level" concerns arn't really myths, as Jose would like to maybe fool people otherwise.

If anyone bought his early season "list of young players I brought through" I've a bridge in Brooklyn for sale...

bucketybuck

It would be sad for Rooneys career to end on a whimper but to be honest he has nobody to blame but himself, if he was performing to any standard at all he would probably be playing but he hasn't done that for a long time.

When you see how the likes of Giggs or Scholes contributed into their late 30's its a real shame how Rooney can't match that even at only age 31, but again there is no point him whinging about it, its all on him.

bucketybuck

TheDoc wrote: »

I think it's very clear in the thread that I'm in the minority in terms of feeling comfortable criticising him or raising concerns.

Bullshit, there is plenty of criticism of Jose in here from a multitude of posters. Most of it reasoned criticism with a solid basis as opposed to flowery drivel from certain people.

TheDoc

bucketybuck wrote: »

Bullshit, there is plenty of criticism of Jose in here from a multitude of posters. Most of it reasoned criticism with a solid basis as opposed to flowery drivel from certain people.

I definitely feel like I'm in the minority by being massively unimpressed, going by the consistent attempts by posters to deride or sideline my points as "coming from someone with an agenda"

Lord TSC

TheDoc wrote: »

I definitely feel like I'm in the minority by being massively unimpressed, going by the consistent attempts by posters to deride or sideline my points as "coming from someone with an agenda"

The "I'm the only one brave enough to criticize him" routine really doesn't help when you're trying to refute claims you've not got an agenda tbh.

You come up with good and valid points sometimes, but then destroy them at others when you go down this sort of route. With the greatest of respect, you're not special; plenty can see criticisms to level at Jose, but can also take on a variety of other factors, "excuses", or whatever in a bid to remain more level headed about the situation.

thelad95

I think it says a lot that Rooney was slowly phased out of not just the team, but indeed the entire squad and nobody really batted an eyelid.

Part of me wonders if he was managed properly early in his career, obviously sports science in 2003 was not as advanced as it is now. He also had a tendency to seriously let himself go in the offseason and I think it's all caught up with him now, he's simply not the player he was.

Liam O

thelad95 wrote: »

I think it says a lot that Rooney was slowly phased out of not just the team, but indeed the entire squad and nobody really batted an eyelid.

Part of me wonders if he was managed properly early in his career, obviously sports science in 2003 was not as advanced as it is now. He also had a tendency to seriously let himself go in the offseason and I think it's all caught up with him now, he's simply not the player he was.

It was when Van Persie joined after Rooney had just had a great season up front and he was moved back to a position he had not really played in years and didn't have the skills for anymore. He became a poacher and was asked to go back to being the number 10. They have vastly different skillsets and he wasn't able to adapt back.

He was still scoring a good amount of goals but his instincts were being eroded even further in the deep role and it got to the point where he was looking unsure about most things that he was doing on the pitch.

beakerjoe

Liam O wrote: »

It was when Van Persie joined after Rooney had just had a great season up front and he was moved back to a position he had not really played in years and didn't have the skills for anymore. He became a poacher and was asked to go back to being the number 10. They have vastly different skillsets and he wasn't able to adapt back.

He was still scoring a good amount of goals but his instincts were being eroded even further in the deep role and it got to the point where he was looking unsure about most things that he was doing on the pitch.

Surely moving position like that isnt a big ask. Rooney didnt lose his skillset being a poacher. That excuse is nonsense. He is a talented player, who could easily adapt.

I think he just hasnt got the same desire he once had and has declined as a result of that.

Giggsy11

Liam O wrote: »

It was when Van Persie joined after Rooney had just had a great season up front and he was moved back to a position he had not really played in years and didn't have the skills for anymore. He became a poacher and was asked to go back to being the number 10. They have vastly different skillsets and he wasn't able to adapt back.

He was still scoring a good amount of goals but his instincts were being eroded even further in the deep role and it got to the point where he was looking unsure about most things that he was doing on the pitch.

Rooney didn't play as poacher at all. Welbeck or Hernandez used to lead the line with Rooney playing behind them. Only season Rooney played as lone striker was in 2009-10.

Korat

TheDoc wrote: »

I think it's very clear in the thread that I'm in the minority in terms of feeling comfortable criticising him or raising concerns.

And the "high level" concerns arn't really myths, as Jose would like to maybe fool people otherwise.

If anyone bought his early season "list of young players I brought through" I've a bridge in Brooklyn for sale...

The thread would be a lesser place without your input.

TheDoctor

Southampton v Man Utd rescheduled for Wed May 17th and live on Sky.

Nailz

TheDoctor wrote: »

Southampton v Man Utd rescheduled for Wed May 13th and live on Sky.

The 13th is a Saturday (when we're scheduled to play Spurs). I assume it's the 10th?

TheDoctor

Correction its the 17th.

Korat

It could be a season defining night tomorrow. Given our current form at home the tie could be decided in Brussells. I've no idea what to expect from Anderlecht but it has to be all in from Utd.

TheDoctor

Nailz wrote: »

The 13th is a Saturday (when we're scheduled to play Spurs). I assume it's the 10th?

Spurs game is now Sun 14th

Nailz

TheDoctor wrote: »

Spurs game is now Sun 14th

A potential EL semi-final second leg looks to be penned in for the 11th, so that's probably why.

TheDoctor

Have no more Sat games this season.

bucketybuck

Korat wrote: »

It could be a season defining night tomorrow. Given our current form at home the tie could be decided in Brussells. I've no idea what to expect from Anderlecht but it has to be all in from Utd.

Heres the problem. This is a season defining game and we really need players to have some balls, step up and put in a performance that carries us forward. But umpteen times this season we have needed players to step up and again and again they didn't do it. So how can we have hope that tomorrow will be any different?

Jayop

bucketybuck wrote: »

Heres the problem. This is a season defining game and we really need players to have some balls, step up and put in a performance that carries us forward. But umpteen times this season we have needed players to step up and again and again they didn't do it. So how can we have hope that tomorrow will be any different?

Because we've been good at home in the cups.

beakerjoe

Jayop wrote: »

Because we've been good at home in the cups.

And our away form has been very solid

Cantona's Collars

Rooney trains but not travelling to Anderlecht.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4404728/Manchester-United-train-ahead-Anderlecht-clash.html

bucketybuck

Jayop wrote: »

Because we've been good at home in the cups.

We have been solid, we have been good enough to get through games we really should be winning, but we haven't been particularly impressive either and considering our more recent ****e form I wouldn't use previous competent performances as evidence that we will produce a big performance if it is needed.

Trigger

zerks wrote: »

Rooney trains but not travelling to Anderlecht.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4404728/Manchester-United-train-ahead-Anderlecht-clash.html

Could you not post up what it says instead of making us click into the daily mail

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astradave wrote: »

Could you not post up what it says instead of making us click into the daily mail

You know as well as me that there's always the same few who post "link?".;)

jayo26

astradave wrote: »

Could you not post up what it says instead of making us click into the daily mail

He will do it tomorrow

beakerjoe

zerks wrote: »

Rooney trains but not travelling to Anderlecht.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4404728/Manchester-United-train-ahead-Anderlecht-clash.html

De Gea possibly out with his hip injury is a worry

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jayo26 wrote: »

He will do it tomorrow

:pac::pac::pac::pac:

jayo26

beakerjoe wrote: »

De Gea possibly out with his hip injury is a worry

De gea was training today and running about as normal. He won't play tomorrow eitherway.

fuzzydunlop85

Looking forward to the game tomorrow, don't think this will be as easy as people are anticipating. I'd take a 1-1. Be interesting to see Anderlechts young midfielders Tielmans and Dendockner, both being touted for bigger things.

Lord TSC

Ah, Tielmans. Is there a Football Manager player who doesn't know his name? :pac:

Julez

Lord TSC wrote: »

Ah, Tielmans. Is there a Football Manager player who doesn't know his name? :pac:

Was just about to respond "becomes a beast in FM" haha

Lord TSC

Julez wrote: »

Was just about to respond "becomes a beast in FM" haha

Running a United save at the moment, about to reach end of the first season. On track win the title with a midfield trio of Pogba, Tielmans and Alli

Lucas Hood

Some strike on him https://streamable.com/rykfw

With both feet.

Liam McPoyle

fuzzydunlop85 wrote: »

Looking forward to the game tomorrow, don't think this will be as easy as people are anticipating. I'd take a 1-1. Be interesting to see Anderlechts young midfielders Tielmans and Dendockner, both being touted for bigger things.

Is anyone anticipating an easy game?

I'm certainly not anyway.

On paper we are heavy favourites but we have been in many games this season and made a hames of things.

Hopefully tomorrow night is one where the performance matches the expectation.

beakerjoe

Rod Munch wrote: »

Is anyone anticipating an easy game?

I'm certainly not anyway.

On paper we are heavy favourites but we have been in many games this season and made a hames of things.

Hopefully tomorrow night is one where the performance matches the expectation.

It will be a tough game, Anderlecht will certainly be up for it and I wouldnt be under estimating anyone in the last 8. I think United should win but I think a draw is more likely. Hopefully an away goal to bring to OT

At a quick glance, Anderlecht haven't lost a game at home since last December 8th. That was against St. Etienne in the Europa group stages (2-3).

Just looking at their overall record since then out of interest, they've played 19 games in all competitions with 13 wins, 4 draws, 2 losses.

Those 2 losses were away to Zenit St. Petersburg in their most recent Europa game (3-1, only for that late away goal, Anderlecht were out) and away to Mechelen (who?) in the league (3-2) in early March.

10 of those 19 games were at home. Their form over those 10 home games, from the oldest to most recent: DWWDWWWWWD (7W, 3D) Their last game was at home against Gent last Sunday and finished 0-0.

I'll be quite happy and surprised if we get the win tomorrow night. Only for our home form being quite poor and therefore not giving us much of an advantage in the second leg, I think 1-1 would be a decent result to come away with tomorrow night. Considering our home form, another 0-3 please.

jayo26

The issue with our home form should be ok if we can get a score draw or a win to win tomorrow.

The reason we have draws at home is because teams come to us happy to sit back and score a goal on the break or settle for a draw. That won't happen in Europe of we can get a result tomorrow night.

jayo26

jayo26 wrote: »

The issue with our home form should be ok if we can get a score draw or a win to win tomorrow.

The reason we have draws at home is because teams come to us happy to sit back and score a goal on the break or settle for a draw. That won't happen in Europe of we can get a result tomorrow night.

Good point, hadn't considered that.

Pogba press conference...

"You people put me as a defender, a midfielder and a striker. I'm just a midfielder, that's my job."


Jose...

"If we have no chances in the PL then people will have to accept I will focus on the Europa League, but we aren't there yet."

On DDG - "I don't see him having any focus problems. End of the season is time for players to think about their careers."

jayo26

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_62w1D8qqU

Zlatan funniest moments so far we seen most of them all but kinda funny he is great fun around dressing room id say.

jayo26

jayo26 wrote: »

Zlatan funniest moments so far we seen most of them all but kinda funny he is great fun around dressing room id say.

Before he came to the club, I had only read most of what he said in interviews, rather than watched or listened to him. Reading all those quotes over the years, it came across like unbridled arrogance. Seeing it though, it's far from that - The man obviously has a deep streak of humility in him and somehow is quite grounded, plus he appears to be a fun personality to be around.

Considering that, and the fact that I wasn't expecting him to bag 28 goals in all comps by early April, his time at United so far has been a bit of a revelation to me.

Also, I just found this one earlier, Zlatan Ibrahimovic translates as Golden Son of Abraham. I'm not surprised in the slightest.

The_Kew_Tour

I would not have Zlatan in same bracket as Ronaldo or Messi, but he will go down as one of best players.

Delighted to have the pleasure of seeing him in United jersey, same with Bastian.

jayo26

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Delighted to have the pleasure of seeing him in United jersey, same with Bastian.

Mehh he in contributing to the team like he should where as bastian once you got past his pr people he was very underwhelming.

Looking at his social media posts since he went to America it is basically copy and paste of quotes he mad with united bit like shifting a hot young one in a disco when your a teenager only to turn around and see her shifting someone else at the end of the night

bangkok

Ronaldo is some player, 2 goals again away to Bayern. Machine

Trigger

bangkok wrote: »

Ronaldo is some player, 2 goals again away to Bayern. Machine

He was ****e in fairness. Something else though scoring 100 goals in Europe

jayo26

astradave wrote: »

He was ****e in fairness. Something else though scoring 100 goals in Europe

He was often sh1te in games but he delivered when needed thats all that mattered. They have a great chance of league and European double this year.