Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2017

Jayop

beno619 wrote: »

I think because he's Pogba he's gotten away with murder at times.

He's been the worst United performer on a few occasions this season.

Rubbish, he's had games where he didn't shine but only had one stinker.

Flint Fredstone

Shaw not even on the bench. Can't see him being here next August.

Lukekul

Rough on Shaw

Lord TSC

Pretty much the exact team I'd want right now. Excited for this.

jayo26

Lukekul wrote: »

Rough on Shaw

We said the same about Miki a few months ago too.

adox

Nice team apart from Blind.

bmcc10

Really dont like Rashford on the wing been better lately but would prefer Martial.

adox

bmcc10 wrote: »

Really dont like Rashford on the wing been better lately but would prefer Martial.

I'm a huge Martial fan but would disagree. Rashford has had some fantastic performances on the wing recently. More direct that Martial at the moment and more pace.

Exciting to see two pacy players out wide.

Balance of the team looks good.

Trigger

bmcc10 wrote: »

Really dont like Rashford on the wing been better lately but would prefer Martial.

I really think he plays better from the wing against teams that sit back a lot.. give him more space to run at them whereas if he is in the middle he gets no space with 4/5 hull players crowding him out

DM_7

Ferdinand should remember what he was up to as a young man.

Should remember what happens when actual unprofessional behaviour sees you getting a long ban from the game.

bangkok

adox wrote: »

Nice team apart from Blind.

blind is technically excellent, good crosser of the ball too. exactly what we need tonight

Dwarf.Shortage

Does anyone know of a way I can watch the game tonight on an iPad, more than happy to pay a few quid if there's anywhere that has it PPV.

Usually I'd be able to get it but most of the time you need flash player to use the traditional avenues so I'm kind of snookered.

As a last resort I'd even listen to it on the radio!

bangkok

bmcc10 wrote: »

Really dont like Rashford on the wing been better lately but would prefer Martial.

rashford was excellent in his last game on the wing, thats why he gets the nod

adox

bangkok wrote: »

blind is technically excellent, good crosser of the ball too. exactly what we need tonight

He's a weak point in the team at LB.

Tom.D.BJJ

Delighted to see Blind start if im honest. Such a superb passer. Himself and Carrick should have plenty of opportunities to ping some tonight

Comic Book Guy

Damn living out in the country and crap broadband.

Have to watch City instead....

Rayne Wooney

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Martial doesn't play well, Martial doesn't play.

It's simple, and it's a standard that has dropped from the club since Fergie left. It should be cutthroat for a starting place at United, they are the highest paid players in the world.

It should be that way, but isn't that way no matter what is happening with Martial at the moment.

Martial has been improving the last month when given the opportunities but still can't get a run of games to try to capatalise on that improvement. Jose has attempted to play other players into form, or stuck with them in the team for a few games, at other points this season. There is something else going on IMO.

Astradave reminded me in a post there about Martial's agent pulling some shít during the transfer window. I think it's because of that, or something not related to Martial's form/football, why we are seeing this at the moment.

If it was simply an ideal case of Jose being cutthroat with performances and encouraging competition for places in the team, well in that case Pogba shouldn't have played against Stoke as he was dire in the previous match against Liverpool. There's a few more games he shouldn't have played in going on that logic.

Same for Ibra, same for Rashford, same for a few others who have outright gone missing during matches or shown nowhere near their best for a run of games.

Whatever the issue is with Jose and Martial at the moment, it's not just about Martial's football. Whether it's from Martial's agent or the player himself, I reckon Jose is getting an attitude problem of some description from Martial's camp and is reacting accordingly.

It was heavily reported sometime last week that Ibra had a word with Martial to try to help him realise that Jose is the best manager for his future and that he needs to be patient, his time will come under Jose. If Ibra had that word with Martial, then clearly there was a need for it and Martial is not content.

Jose said that he didn't play Ashley Young against Hull last week because Young was undecided about staying at the club, and he was going to play someone instead who would still be at United beyond January. Completely correct and understandable decision. If Martial/his agent expressed desire for a loan to Sevilla during January, Jose could be approaching this the same way. i.e. "You wanted to leave for your own reasons, so for now I must play the players who didn't want to abandon this project".

In saying that, I'm not blaming Martial. Or Jose. Just expressing concern at the situation. If there is blame to be apportioned from what we (seem to) know - Martial's agent gets it for talking about a loan move in January. And if this came about because Martial himself is unsettled over not getting regular games, in a highly transitional season where he started off quite poorly, then he needs to adjust his attitude. Maybe take a page out of Mkhitaryan and Schweinsteiger's book 'How to Act and Conduct Yourself When Apparently in the Doghouse'.

On Mkhitaryan and Schweinsteiger - Jose used Mkhi's performance against Wigan as a reason of sorts for not playing Martial tonight "Can I drop Mkhitaryan after that performance? I can't", like it as an A or B choice in the first place. On that "undroppable" logic, I assume we'll be seeing Schweinsteiger in the starting 11 tonight? He also had a MOTM performance against Wigan, awarded by the club. (Edit: turns out we won't be seeing him, not even on the bench)

None of Mkhi, Martial or Schweini had the game of their lives against the mighty Wigan, all starting out very poor and taking some time to get comfortable in the game, but all ended up being very important to the performance and the result. Jose is just using Mkhi's MOTM as an excuse here, and that's fine. I don't need Jose to bare his thoughts on the inner workings of the club and his relationships with the players, I just need to know that he has a handle on it and that we're not going to unnecessarily lose Martial this Summer.

TL:DR It's not simple, and not just a case of Jose being cutthroat with starting places. Otherwise, the line-ups would have been different in many other matches this season. Martial must have attempted to get a loan for playing time, bad call IMO, and Jose is reacting accordingly. However, Martial got a game against Wigan the other day, so if he was blacklisted under Jose that wouldn't have happened. If he is patient, has the right attitude and takes the minutes given to him in the meantime while Jose disciplines him of sorts, this will pass and will be soon something to look back on...hopefully.

fuzzydunlop85

Is there a MOTD tonight ? Stuck in work.

Comic Book Guy

fuzzydunlop85 wrote: »

Is there a MOTD tonight ? Stuck in work.

No. Highlights are on Sky Sports 1 at 11 if that's any good to ya.

GSPfan

Blind at left back can slow the attack down when Rooney is ahead of him but its a different story with Rashford. Should be good.

Comic Book Guy

Won't be making ground on City tonight anyways

GSPfan

Ugghh. Who got me thinking West Ham might get a draw?! #Fookwhoeverthatwas

beno619

Nalz wrote: »

Other than Liverpool game I can't think of one

Both Pool games and you could make an argument for half a dozen other matches.

Mantis Toboggan

Don't rule out Abu Dhabi on a late title charge

StringerBell

Already has the feel of a long/frustrating night ahead

Dwarf.Shortage

Jesus with a goal and assist in his first half hour doesn't bode well.

adox

Hull player should be off.

adox

Very start stop.

KH25

What I'd give for a RB that can cross.

beno619

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

Shaw not even on the bench. Can't see him being here next August.

Why ? Jose has been rotating for the past 2 months.

adox

Valencia driving me nuts already!

Comic Book Guy

West Ham really have been atrocious. Bad errors for all 3 goals but speed of city's counter attacks have been top class and the errors have been exploited to maximum effect.

What is our game like in general?

KH25

Comic Book Guy wrote: »

West Ham really have been atrocious. Bad errors for all 3 goals but speed of city's counter attacks have been top class and the errors have been exploited to maximum effect.

What is our game like in general?

Very stop start. We aren't doing much with the final ball.

Dreadful football so far

adox

Comic Book Guy wrote: »

West Ham really have been atrocious. Bad errors for all 3 goals but speed of city's counter attacks have been top class and the errors have been exploited to maximum effect.

What is our game like in general?

Total control. Knocking on the door without any real chances.

Ball coming down our right unfortunately as it's ending up at the feet of Valencia.

Pogba the least involved of the three midfielders. Barely had a kick. Will probably set up the winner at some stage.

Liam O

KH25 wrote: »

What I'd give for a RB that can cross.

Or make a simple 5 yard pass.

adox

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Dreadful football so far

Think they've been playing ok.

Flint Fredstone

We're so slow and predictable in the final third. Dreadful stuff.

Sand

adox wrote: »

Total control. Knocking on the door without any real chances.

Ball coming down our right unfortunately as it's ending up at the feet of Valencia.

Pogba the least involved of the three midfielders. Barely had a kick. Will probably set up the winner at some stage.

I think Zlatans attempt was the first save the keeper has had to make in 15 minutes.

Liam McPoyle

We will not win anything with Valencia in the team.

He will run all day, gets lots of the ball but has zero end product.

He is like Forest fcuking Gump.

adox

The amount of free kicks is unreal.

Did I say already that Pogbas been annonymous?:D

Mars Bar

Wake the feck up Rashford

KH25

Rod Munch wrote: »

We will not win anything with Valencia in the team.

He will run all day, gets lots of the ball but has zero end product.

He is like Forest fcuking Gump.

Works hard but his end product is generally rubbish.

adox

Chance goes a begging..

United epitaph for this season.

sky88

Poor half all round doing very little in final thrid

StringerBell

The blood pressure is going through the roof here

Ive liked the look of that Harry McGuire last few games, I wonder could he play right back

Flint Fredstone

No way we make top 4. We may go on and win this easily but it's really bad football and it has been for a while.

Simply not good enough
Everybody has been poor
Sloppy passing, too slow, predicable and **** all created
Disgrace if we don't win this today
And for the love of god Tony V you drive me up the wall

ScummyMan

Pogba looks seriously lacking in confidence