Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2017

Pathetic....

adox

RobertKK wrote: »

If only Mata had taken the penalty....

What is clear is the Europa League is getting increasingly more important.

To be fair, although Ibra had a really poor game the peno was a well struck peno. Keeper guessed right and made a really good save.

edgecutter

Robson99 wrote: »

Totally agree. He should have been rested today but yet again Jose persisted with him

He has a had nearly a week to recover! If we didn't win today what would everyone say if Ibra didn't start. The manager can't win.

Besides, where are the goals going to come from?

spiralism

This team doesn't have a shred of bottle. They ran around like a bunch of scared children for the entire second half. They made the joint worst defence in the entire league, with ten men i might add, look like ****ing Capello's Milan

Hococop

adox wrote: »

To be fair, although Ibra had a really poor game the peno was a well struck peno. Keeper guessed right and made a really good save.

Opposition keepers having fantastic games at old Trafford is becoming way too common now, I hate it

Robson99

Harry Palmr wrote: »

This is your real problem, he scores half of all your goals but when he isn't scoring he is a complete luxury and blocking the career path of players like Martial and Rashford who are young and have legs. They need to get a steady run of starts as strikers, not wide attackers. If Lord Zlatan is signed up for another season (?) then Mourinho will need to do with him what he's done with Rooney rather well but I have a hard time seeing Ibra as a sub.

Exactly

beno619

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Fellaini did absolutely nothing.
Herrera would have brought way more to the team.

Fellaini did fine at the base nice simple use of the ball and didn't slow us down re Pogba he then and caused Bournemouth trouble in the box when he moved forward.

Herrera could have brought more.

edgecutter

spiralism wrote: »

I'd take Djemba Djemba for Pogba at the rate he's going. Absolute ****ing joke.

Ah come on, he is 23 years old and is entitled to have an off day. All the others hardly stood up either.

GSPfan

Hopefully the wankfest over Zlatan calms down now. I reckon if Rashford played every minute Zlatan has up front he would have as many goals as Zlatan has.

Zlatan missed a peno and a bleedin 3 yard sitter and its grand cause he has loads of goals for us. No its not.

yabadabado

Hococop wrote: »

Opposition keepers having fantastic games at old Trafford is becoming way too common now, I hate it

Keeper made a good save for the penalty but had very little to do throughout the game.
He wasn't the difference today.United were pathetic and the lack of leadership on the pitch is worrying.

adox

edgecutter wrote: »

Ah come on, he is 23 years old and is entitled to have an off day. All the others hardly stood up either.

Too many off days imo.

Wrong player for the club at this stage of it's evolution post Fergie.

sReq | uTeK

adox wrote: »

Isn't it infuriating? Just as you think Utd may be getting their **** together they put in a performance like that.

I'm annoyed with so many of the players.

I hope Pogba is dropped but I know it won't happen. He's causing more problems than he's solving.

And there is nothing wrong with that. Players playing **** should be dropped. No matter how much they cost or the hype around them.

Fergie did it with De Gea after buying him for 25 million and it gave him the kick up the backside.

Jose is a changed man, not rising to anything more.

beno619

Hococop wrote: »

Opposition keepers having fantastic games at old Trafford is becoming way too common now, I hate it

Mostly bread and butter stuff like most of the other keeper performances at Old Trafford.

Our finishing is the problem.

edgecutter

GSPfan wrote: »

Hopefully the wankfest over Zlatan calms down now. I reckon if Rashford played every minute Zlatan has up front he would have as many goals as Zlatan has.

Zlatan missed a peno and a bleedin 3 yard sitter and its grand cause he has loads of goals for us. No its not.

He had a bad game today, but the nonsense being spouted about Ibra when he practically handed us a League Cup last week is getting hard to bear. He will go down as the best player we have had this season regardless of this game, because he has won us more games than he has cost us.

spiralism

edgecutter wrote: »

Ah come on, he is 23 years old and is entitled to have an off day. All the others hardly stood up either.

His off days have all coincided with crucially important games. He's entitled to have the odd one, not to coast around getting ****e haircuts every week and stringing together hopeless performance after hopeless performance. Biggest waste of money ever, it was a dark day for the club the day they shelled out all that money for him.

He can **** off back to Juventus. I'd pay for his plane ticket

sReq | uTeK

Is Henry retarded....HARSH PENALTY????

Just looking at the Penalty, that's a great penalty. Just met with an equally great save.

Kerrydude1981

Its was criminal that Bournemouth werent punished for the way they defended in the first 20 minutes,they were there for the taking but once again the seasons story of not been able to take chances has come back to haunt us

I thought we started the second half fairly well,were moving the ball well but then halfway through we just stopped trying to play football and panic set in,

Mata was the only one that showed any bit of leadership,he kept going till the end and maybe should have been moved into a central position earlier as he has a football brain,something a few of his team mates were missing today in the second half

adox

GSPfan wrote: »

Hopefully the wankfest over Zlatan calms down now. I reckon if Rashford played every minute Zlatan has up front he would have as many goals as Zlatan has.

Zlatan missed a peno and a bleedin 3 yard sitter and its grand cause he has loads of goals for us. No its not.

There's nothing to suggest that Rashford would have 26 goals and everything to suggest that with Ibras past record that it is because he is playing that the goals have come.

You make it sound like a nothing feat or are hugely underplaying it.

It's not a wankfest. It's recognition of the contribution of one of the games greatest players in recent years making a huge contribution to Utds season.

GSPfan

edgecutter wrote: »

GSPfan wrote: »

Hopefully the wankfest over Zlatan calms down now. I reckon if Rashford played every minute Zlatan has up front he would have as many goals as Zlatan has.

Zlatan missed a peno and a bleedin 3 yard sitter and its grand cause he has loads of goals for us. No its not.

He had a bad game today, but the nonsense being spouted about Ibra when he practically handed us a League Cup last week is getting hard to bear. He will go down as the best player we have had this season regardless of this game, because he has won us more games than he has cost us.

**** **** **** ****. Thats all i read.

sReq | uTeK

edgecutter wrote: »

He had a bad game today, but the nonsense being spouted about Ibra when he practically handed us a League Cup last week is getting hard to bear. He will go down as the best player we have had this season regardless of this game, because he has won us more games than he has cost us.

Yes but people say silly things in the heat of moment. Fans are ficklee

edgecutter

spiralism wrote: »

His off days have all coincided with crucially important games. He's entitled to have the odd one, not to coast around getting ****e haircuts every week and stringing together hopeless performance after hopeless performance. Biggest waste of money ever, it was a dark day for the club the day they shelled out all that money for him.

He can **** off back to Juventus. I'd pay for his plane ticket

Fair enough, but it is his first season with his (don't pretend that his youth days count) and we should judge him in at least his second. He will get better and we look far more of a threat with him than without.

beno619

edgecutter wrote: »

Ah come on, he is 23 years old and is entitled to have an off day. All the others hardly stood up either.

Didnt work as an excuse for Cleverley and doesn't work for Lingard. He's 23 not 18 he's been pathetic for the past month after an inconsistent first half of the season.

edgecutter

GSPfan wrote: »

**** **** **** ****. Thats all i read.

Thanks for the helpful feedback.

secman

edgecutter wrote: »

I don't see how this is Jose's fault. The players have been all over Bournemouth and should have been a couple up in the first half. They deserve a big portion of the blame for the ****e they produced.

So we needed Pogba and Fellani together ! Pogba being left on for full match. Herrera warming the bench... who's call is that. Players fcked up today as did the manager.

Giggsy11

Harry Palmr wrote: »

This is your real problem, he scores half of all your goals but when he isn't scoring he is a complete luxury and blocking the career path of players like Martial and Rashford who are young and have legs. They need to get a steady run of starts as strikers, not wide attackers. If Lord Zlatan is signed up for another season (?) then Mourinho will need to do with him what he's done with Rooney rather well but I have a hard time seeing Ibra as a sub.

That's his position.

edgecutter

beno619 wrote: »

Didnt work as an excuse for Cleverley and doesn't work for Lingard. He's 23 not 18 he's been pathetic for the past month after an inconsistent first half of the season.

Cleverly would offer nothing in all the games he played and Lingard is extremely inconsistent. Blame Jones for royally fecking us today.

wanderer100

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Is Henry retarded....HARSH PENALTY????

Just looking at the Penalty, that's a great penalty. Just met with an equally great save.

The two penalties given are the only thing the referee deserves credit for in that game. The first one was blatant - there's no argument imo against it.

The second one was a clear handball but a hard one for the referee and linesman to catch. But they did and awarded us rightly.

edgecutter

secman wrote: »

So we needed Pogba and Fellani together ! Pogba being left on for full match. Herrera warming the bench... who's call is that. Players fcked up today as did the manager.

We have a lot of games still to play. I can only assume that because Bournemouth were playing so deep Jose felt that hitting a few long balls would cause disruption. It didn't work, but the players should have had the game buried in the first 25mins and I blame them more than Jose.

PhlegmyMoses

wanderer100 wrote: »

The two penalties given are the only thing the referee deserves credit for in that game. The first one was blatant - there's no argument imo against it.

The second one was a clear handball but a hard one for the referee and linesman to catch. But they did and awarded us rightly.

I think the first pen was soft. I get why the ref gave it from his angle but on subsequent viewings, Jones makes next to no contact.

Degag

So, did Ibra get a yellow for the elbow? Means he can't be retrospectively punished?

Liam O

Come on people, Lingard was brought on as a left back for some silly reason today. Can't believe there is criticism of him.

PhlegmyMoses

Degag wrote: »

So, did Ibra get a yellow for the elbow? Means he can't be retrospectively punished?

No, booked for dissent after the Bournemouth penalty. He was in foul humour all game

Lucas Hood

Degag wrote: »

So, did Ibra get a yellow for the elbow? Means he can't be retrospectively punished?

He was booked earlier on.

Liam O

Degag wrote: »

So, did Ibra get a yellow for the elbow? Means he can't be retrospectively punished?

No but he did get the same talking to that Arter did to avoid being sent off so that's what I'm clinging on to.

edgecutter

Liam O wrote: »

No but he did get the same talking to that Arter did to avoid being sent off so that's what I'm clinging on to.

Well a lot of posters here want him benched for a few games so I am sure they feel differently.

adox

I can't see Ibra getting a retrospective ban. The ref took an age talking to him and Rooney so must have seen the incident.

The ref bottled it big time although he was **** all game.

Bournemouth got away with some pretty nasty and cynical challenges.

beno619

edgecutter wrote: »

Cleverly would offer nothing in all the games he played and Lingard is extremely inconsistent. Blame Jones for royally fecking us today.

That doesn't refutes the fact the Pogba's age is a poor excuse for his abject performance.

It's Jones first mistake of the season so I'll give him a pass.

Pogba's pathetic performances must outweigh his outstanding ones at this stage.

beno619

edgecutter wrote: »

Well a lot of posters here want him benched for a few games so I am sure they feel differently.

A lot of posters here get silly notions after a disappointing performance.

edgecutter

beno619 wrote: »

That doesn't refutes the fact the Pogba's age is poor excuse for his abject performance.

It's Jones first mistake of the season so I'll give him a pass.

Pogba's pathetic performances must outweigh his outstanding ones at this stage.

Oh please, where would we be without the much maligned Pogba and Ibra? Certainly out of the cups and possibly 10th, but don't let that get in the way of finding someone to vilify for today's performance.

NoviGlitzko

I feel sick.

Was out looking at it in a hotel with my girlfriend and her ma says to me messing 'ha will ya lighten up!'.. felt like punching her in the face.

spiralism

Pogba will do precisely **** all at the club until he changes his attitude. Lose the ****e haircuts and galactico bull**** and put the ****ing head down. If not, then he can get on the plane and **** off

Minderbinder

I don't understand how people can blame Jones for the dropped points for giving away a penalty but don't say anything about Ibra missing one.

I wouldn't blame Jones today even though I don't rate him highly. He was obviously trying to block a shot, but the attacker feigned and turned back to draw the foul. It was very clever and honestly there's very little he could do. If he didn't make an effort to block a shot and the lad just stroked it into the net he would be blamed too.

edgecutter

spiralism wrote: »

Pogba will do precisely **** all at the club until he changes his attitude. Lose the ****e haircuts and galactico bull**** and put the ****ing head down. If not, then he can get on the plane and **** off

I remember hearing a lot of this kind of attitude when Ronaldo wasn't quite producing the goods for us. Give the player some time.

GSPfan

Had to laugh at this on twitter:

Zlatan stamped on the head and headbutted on the elbow within seconds. Unbelievable restraint.

beno619

edgecutter wrote: »

Oh please, where would we be without the much maligned Pogba and Ibra? Certainly out of the cups and possibly 10th, but don't let that get in the way of finding someone to vilify for today's performance.

Age isn't an excuse for Pogba, you can keep changing your argument as much as you like.

My criticism of Pogba has been consistent even in games we've won.

edgecutter

Minderbinder wrote: »

I don't understand how people can blame Jones for the dropped points for giving away a penalty but don't say anything about Ibra missing one.

I wouldn't blame Jones today even though I don't rate him highly. He was obviously trying to block a shot, but the attacker feigned and turned back to draw the foul. It was very clever and honestly there's very little he could do. If he didn't make an effort to block a shot and the lad just stroked it into the net he would be blamed too.

If the player had a shooting opportunity I would agree, but there wasn't any need to go off his feet like he did in that area of the pitch. It was brainless and that is putting it politely.

spiralism

edgecutter wrote: »

I remember hearing a lot of this kind of attitude when Ronaldo wasn't quite producing the goods for us. Give the player some time.

If you are comparing Pogba to Ronaldo without a shred of irony, that tells it's own story.

Fans used to be raging at **** like this from Ronaldo when he was like 17. Pogba is 23 and has played in a euros and a champions league final.

edgecutter

spiralism wrote: »

If you are comparing Pogba to Ronaldo without a shred of irony, that tells it's own story.

Fans used to be raging at **** like this from Ronaldo when he was like 17. Pogba is 23 and has played in a euros and a champions league final.

I was implying that it took Ronaldo some time to get going and maybe some people need to offer Pogba another season to gain consistency. Besides, your posts are way over the top today with vitriol against a player that has helped us win many games this season.

Beno is spot on lads.
No excuse can be used for that head wrecking performance from Pogba.
He had multiple chances to win the game for utd too and he fluffed around with indecision.
Too many needless touches and some awful attempts at forward passes.

adox

Minderbinder wrote: »

I don't understand how people can blame Jones for the dropped points for giving away a penalty but don't say anything about Ibra missing one.

I wouldn't blame Jones today even though I don't rate him highly. He was obviously trying to block a shot, but the attacker feigned and turned back to draw the foul. It was very clever and honestly there's very little he could do. If he didn't make an effort to block a shot and the lad just stroked it into the net he would be blamed too.

He defended like an amateur all game and for the peno. He should have stayed on his feet for the peno. It was brain dead defending.

Mind you the rest weren't much better and should be held accountable as a collective.

The ****ing midfield is driving me bonkers and the sight of Pogba prancing around like a show pony. The sooner that gets sorted the sooner things will slot into place.

You have to question the character of a lot of the players through. They are specialising in grasping a draw/defeat from the jaws of victory.