if you're going to France on the bike this year....

galwaytt

....just note (yet) another new French law came into place, and yes, motorcyclists are affected too.

Certain cities will require your bike to have an emissions sticker displayed or your liable to an on-the-spot fine.

http://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/law-change-for-uk-drivers-in-french-cities/

Wonda-Boy

Another reason to get a ferry to S3pain.........or Holland into Germany

Cienciano

How do you even know what sticker you need? I checked the official site and nothing. Sounds poxy, on a certain day you might be refused entry to a particular city!

listermint

Cienciano wrote: »

How do you even know what sticker you need? I checked the official site and nothing. Sounds poxy, on a certain day you might be refused entry to a particular city!

Why ? are they surrounded by a big wall and gates

Cienciano

listermint wrote: »

Why ? are they surrounded by a big wall and gates

Oh yeah, I assume you can go in, but checks are done. If you had a custom or naked bike with no screen, I also assume you'd have to stick it somewhere visible. Hopefully our TD's don't get any ideas

two wheels good

Also, there's a new law in France making gloves mandatory on a moto. I haven't seen the details - because I have no intention of riding gloveless! I suppose it applies to pillions too.

Faith+1

two wheels good wrote: »

Also, there's a new law in France making gloves mandatory on a moto. I haven't seen the details - because I have no intention of riding gloveless! I suppose it applies to pillions too.

That's one law I agree with.

Paulw

galwaytt wrote: »

....just note (yet) another new French law came into place, and yes, motorcyclists are affected too.

Certain cities will require your bike to have an emissions sticker displayed or your liable to an on-the-spot fine.

Thankfully it only applies to 3 cities - Paris, Lyon and Grenoble. Otherwise, not needed.

serious3

meh..... done with Europe, back to Romania again this year for me

Wonda-Boy

Just dont stop, you bike will be up on two blocks!!!!

serious3

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

Just dont stop, you bike will be up on two blocks!!!!

Couldn't be farther from the truth! Couldn't have felt safer or more welcome wherever we went or whatever we did, every Romanian we met were warm, friendly and genuinely interested in who we were and why we chose to come there, it was a real eye opener, very like how I'd imagine Ireland or the uk would be in the 50's.

Del2005

serious3 wrote: »

meh..... done with Europe, back to Romania again this year for me

When did Romania leave Europe?

serious3

For all the pedants I'll clarify my statement, by Europe I meant France/Germany/Spain, all countries I've visited on my bike.

mecanno37

hardly pedantry, going by what you wrote, europe only consists of three countries

Cienciano

serious3 wrote: »

For all the pedants I'll clarify my statement, by Europe I meant France/Germany/Spain, all countries I've visited on my bike.

That's not pedantic! You just fúcked up. I expect a full apology PM'd to everyone on this thread along with a €10 amazon gift voucher code

CJhaughey

Cienciano wrote: »

That's not pedantic! You just fúcked up. I expect a full apology PM'd to everyone on this thread along with a €10 amazon gift voucher code

Maybe half a mars bar and a used sock filled with something else might be what you get:D

CelticRambler

Cienciano wrote: »

How do you even know what sticker you need? I checked the official site and nothing. Sounds poxy, on a certain day you might be refused entry to a particular city!

Yep. That's exactly how it works. No sticker, no entry - there are control points, you will be told to turn around. There's "nothing" on the official site because the restrictions change from day to day and will be announced on information boards approaching the controlled zone and on the news. You're expected to know. Even with a sticker, you might not be allowed. In Grenoble this week, for example, only categories 1-3 were allowed in, and half of category 4 (odd/even number plates on different days)

Paulw wrote: »

Thankfully it only applies to 3 cities - Paris, Lyon and Grenoble. Otherwise, not needed.

... at the moment. 22 more to come

Avignon - Communauté d’agglomération d’Avignon
Arras - Communauté urbaine d’Arras
Annemasse - Communauté d’agglomération d’Annemasse
Bordeaux - Métropole de Bordeaux
Cannes - Communauté d’agglomération du Pays de Lérins – Cannes
Clermont-Ferrand - Métropole de Clermont-Ferrand
Champlan
Côte Basque-Adour - Communauté d’agglomération Côte Basque-Adour
Dunkerque - Communauté urbaine de Dunkerque
Dijon - Communauté urbaine de Dijon
Epernay - Communauté d’agglomération d’Epernay
Faucigny, Glières, Bonneville Communauté de communes Faucigny-Glières-Bonneville
Grenoble - Métropole de Grenoble
Lyon - Métropole de Lyon
Lille - Métropole de Lille
Le Havre - Communauté d’agglomération du Havre
Montpellier - Métropole de Montpellier
Paris - Mission de préfiguration de la Métropole du Grand Paris
Reims - Métropole de Reims
Rouen - Métropole de Rouen
Saint-Etienne - Métropole de Saint-Etienne
Strasbourg Métropole de Strasbourg
Saint Maur-des-Fossés
Toulouse - Métropole de Toulouse
Vallée de la Marne - CA de la Vallée de la Marne

FWIW, Antwerp introduced a similar system last year.

Del2005

CelticRambler wrote: »

Yep. That's exactly how it works. No sticker, no entry - there are control points, you will be told to turn around. There's "nothing" on the official site because the restrictions change from day to day and will be announced on information boards approaching the controlled zone and on the news. You're expected to know. Even with a sticker, you might not be allowed. In Grenoble this week, for example, only categories 1-3 were allowed in, and half of category 4 (odd/even number plates on different days)

My bike came in at a 3:D Not that riding in any busy city is fun in Irish bike gear.

galwaytt

serious3 wrote: »

meh..... done with Europe, back to Romania again this year for me

....er, Romania is in....Europe....you have my address for the voucher 😀

Dexter Bip

Had a hired car recently in Germany and it had a sticker on the windshield stating which cities it could be driven in. Can see the point

Cienciano

Del2005 wrote: »

My bike came in at a 3:D Not that riding in any busy city is fun in Irish bike gear.

Where do you check?

batman_oh

serious3 wrote: »

For all the pedants I'll clarify my statement, by Europe I meant France/Germany/Spain, all countries I've visited on my bike.

Well that's literally the worst come back ever!

Del2005

Cienciano wrote: »

Where do you check?

On the website in the OP it had a link. For some reason my browser didn't auto translate but my Inter Cert French got me through.

https://www.certificat-air.gouv.fr/simulation

Think it might be a 2 not a 3, I miss read it the first time or my bike had improved

Plopli

I tried to get one but as they deliver it based on your 'registration details', it's obviously impossible.
Filled in their contact form asking what to do as a foreigner and I'll post in here if I ever get a reply.

Hotblack Desiato

Loads more info on this site on low emission zones and other restrictions around Europe:

http://www.lowemissionzones.eu/index.php

Paris:
http://urbanaccessregulations.eu/countries-mainmenu-147/france/paris

Need to Register?
There are stickers called "air quality certificates" (Certificats qualité de I’air) which are mandatory for French vehicles and from 1 February 2017 on also for foreign vehicles.
For vehicles registered in France, the French LEZ stickers can be bought here now. Foreign vehicles will be able to buy their LEZ stickers in early January 2017. The website will offer an English interface, then in other languages. We will keep you updated on this website. In the meanwhile, we recommend that you have your vehicle papers, and proof of Euro standard with you when you travel in Paris.
All vehicles can use this webpage to see what sticker their vehicle will receive.
For details see "National Scheme".

Foreign vehicles affected?
Foreign vehicles are also affected and need to display an emission sticker from 1 April 2017 on. The French government is likely to install a link on their site to order the sticker from outside the country. We will insert this information as soon as it is available.

Says foreign vehicles need the sticker from 1 Feb, then it says 1 April, it had better be the latter since there's still no sign of how foreign vehicles are supposed to comply

The EU should be organising a common system and then leaving it up to each city/area to decide what emission levels etc. they will let in. We're supposed to have a single market and free movement of road-legal vehicles between countries, after all.

Every country doing its own thing and having its own stickers is going to lead to chaos.

Del2005

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Loads more info on this site on low emission zones and other restrictions around Europe:

http://www.lowemissionzones.eu/index.php

Paris:
http://urbanaccessregulations.eu/countries-mainmenu-147/france/paris



Says foreign vehicles need the sticker from 1 Feb, then it says 1 April, it had better be the latter since there's still no sign of how foreign vehicles are supposed to comply

The EU should be organising a common system and then leaving it up to each city/area to decide what emission levels etc. they will let in. We're supposed to have a single market and free movement of road-legal vehicles between countries, after all.

Every country doing its own thing and having its own stickers is going to lead to chaos.

There is a common system. When I tried the simulation all it asked was what fuel my bike used and the Euro emissions standard my bike is. So my bike is Euro 3 compliant and it looks like they are banning Euro 1 or 2 petrol vehicles and all the filthy diesels. It's a better system than picking odd and even registration numbers.

Hotblack Desiato

Del2005 wrote: »

There is a common system. When I tried the simulation all it asked was what fuel my bike used and the Euro emissions standard my bike is. So my bike is Euro 3 compliant and it looks like they are banning Euro 1 or 2 petrol vehicles and all the filthy diesels. It's a better system than picking odd and even registration numbers.

Yeah there's a common emissions testing system but how the owner proves they meet the level differs. Some places you have to register your number plate in advance, in others you get a sticker, then you go somewhere else and you need a different sticker... the implementation is a complete mess. There's not much point putting bikes through all this anyway as they don't sit for hours in traffic jams pumping out emissions to go nowhere. Some places are banning 2-strokes altogether though and it's hard to argue with that.

Del2005

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Some places are banning 2-strokes altogether though and it's hard to argue with that.

I love the smell from a 2 stroke so they shouldn't be banned

aujopimur

Del2005 wrote: »

I love the smell from a 2 stroke so they shouldn't be banned

How would this get in?.

Hotblack Desiato

Del2005 wrote: »

I love the smell from a 2 stroke so they shouldn't be banned

I don't mind it myself but in sunny places it causes low level ozone pollution.

Silent Shrill

Is there an age limit for bikes? no nct for cars over 30 yrs here. How do they "guess" the emissions for let's say, an Indian bike? or can that data be found?