Leaf hunt

Electric showers can be used at night rate too up to 8 am Winter and 9am Summer.

unkel

n97 mini wrote: »

It's around 4c per kw versus 16c for electricity. Check the seai website.

I checked my bills a couple of days ago. 4c and 16c it is for me too. And with a 98% efficient boiler, losses because of converting gas to heated water are minimal

Obviously if you have a night meter and shower late at night or early in the morning like most people do, the 16c figure will become half that or so...

And for all those folk with electric showers: have a shower in someone's house with a pump and you'll bin your crap electric shower the next day, even if it was twice as expensive to run (instead of twice as cheap)

yeah the problem in Ireland is the poor pressure compared to Germany for instance where the water pipes from the road are massive compared to here.

ted1

unkel wrote: »

I checked my bills a couple of days ago. 4c and 16c it is for me too. And with a 98% efficient boiler, losses because of converting gas to heated water are minimal

Obviously if you have a night meter and shower late at night or early in the morning like most people do, the 16c figure will become half that or so...

And for all those folk with electric showers: have a shower in someone's house with a pump and you'll bin your crap electric shower the next day, even if it was twice as expensive to run (instead of twice as cheap)

I prefer my electric shower over pumped ones. With a boiler you have a couple of meters of copper pipes and then it works as a heat exchanger. Also gas isn't 98% efficient.

You'd have to be different Ted ! :P

unkel

Deleted User wrote: »

yeah the problem in Ireland is the poor pressure compared to Germany for instance where the water pipes from the road are massive compared to here.

Don't get me going about our third world water supply :mad:

On the continent people have combi boilers. They heat the water instantly (from gas) when you use it. These are "verboten" here

Also on the continent (where there is proper water pressure) people do not have the ridiculous setup of a tank in the attic that feeds all water points, so you have contaminated water throughout your house (except the kitchen sink) that is barely suitable for brushing your teeth with and that would make you sick drinking it :rolleyes:

As if water here is some sort of scarce commodity in Ireland :rolleyes:

Our "Santa Claus" politicians went out to increase public sector wages by 25% per year and cut taxes in the 90s and 00s instead of fixing our infrastructure :rolleyes: :mad:

/rant

goz83

unkel wrote: »

Don't get me going about our third world water supply :mad:

On the continent people have combi boilers. They heat the water instantly (from gas) when you use it. These are "verboten" here

Also on the continent (where there is proper water pressure) people do not have the ridiculous setup of a tank in the attic that feeds all water points, so you have contaminated water throughout your house (except the kitchen sink) that is barely suitable for brushing your teeth with and that would make you sick drinking it :rolleyes:

As if water here is some sort of scarce commodity in Ireland :rolleyes:

Our "Santa Claus" politicians went out to increase public sector wages by 25% per year and cut taxes in the 90s and 00s instead of fixing our infrastructure :rolleyes: :mad:

/rant

And while they were at it, they drove up property prices, enslaving couples to bricks and mortar for decades nearly half a century to come.

But lads, this thread now has nothing to do with a Nissan Leaf.

unkel

Apologies

I find it hard to stay on topic in this forum at times, and I observe the same happens to others. I don't recall having this issue (to this extent) on any other forum in my time on boards. I guess some subjects more suitable for other forums are discussed here because they are very closely related and it is hard to pigeonhole related posts into separate threads in separate forums. Not sure if there is an easy solution to this without the forum getting sterile.

slave1

unkel wrote: »

Apologies

I find it hard to stay on topic in this forum at times, and I observe the same happens to others. I don't recall having this issue (to this extent) on any other forum in my time on boards. I guess some subjects more suitable for other forums are discussed here because they are very closely related and it is hard to pigeonhole related posts into separate threads in separate forums. Not sure if there is an easy solution to this without the forum getting sterile.

Can I suggest then that we have a separate thread for "electric showers & existing heavy electricity loading implications on EV home charge points" as that's really where the relevance with EV's end

I'm going for a "Shower" now !

unkel

slave1 wrote: »

Can I suggest then that we have a separate thread for "electric showers & existing heavy electricity loading implications on EV home charge points" as that's really where the relevance with EV's end

Not really. There is an awful lot more to it than that. Particularly as long as there is no decent feed in tariff and we have the potential of these huge free batteries (EVs), several times bigger than a Tesla power wall (€7,000) sitting outside our homes unused.

slave1

Grand, afraid to say I'll have to unfollow my own thread so as I'm really not interested in all this talk about solar power water heating, pumped showers etc.
I'll post back with some photos when she lands next week, going to do a dry install of the charge point run tomorrow, charger itself due next week also.

slave1

Well, at it since 9am, ran 11m of 6sq SWA close to the consumer unit, have the SWA routed through 1 1/4" waste pipe and then this waste pipe was closed in with ship-lap so nothing to be seen anywhere, still have to get it right to the unit but my back is done for the day, hit a few snags along the way (including the neighbour so I can't take photos to show from 'their' side), but ultimately the installer will just have to hook up either end and install a priority switch....wrecked

Calahonda52

ted1 wrote: »

They think people investing 30k to reduce bills by 20% is a good investment.

c.Five year payback, ignoring funding costs and availing of the HRI is a good investment so stick with the knitting that you are knowledgeable about.

Calahonda52

slave1 wrote: »

Grand, afraid to say I'll have to unfollow my own thread so as I'm really not interested in all this talk about solar power water heating, pumped showers etc.
I'll post back with some photos when she lands next week, going to do a dry install of the charge point run tomorrow, charger itself due next week also.

Slave1, you will never win such an argument against an ordinary mod, not to mind a Cat Mod, so don't unfollow but look forward to taking delivery of the weapon!.

The elec showers are relevant in the context of the house load getting an EV.
Solar thermal heating systems are irrelevant in this thread as are pumped systems.
Solar PV is conceptually relevant as it does produce what we need in the EV: however, the moon doesn't do much at night for solar PV and if the car is out during those long summer days....

Keep well: ps: nice piece of work on the wiring

cros13

Anyone mind if I split out the shower discussion to a separate thread?

Would have been nice if you asked me first before demolishing my thread !

Yes I do, there's no point splitting threads, it's too many pages now anyway so doesn't matter most of the useful information is burried and my thread would have reduced it by several pages !!!

slave1

Charger just arrived, its a Podpoint Universal (so not tethered), will be nice to get home and have a good poke around it, can't see it being fitted for at least another fortnight with current bookings but not bothered as lots of charge points available close by and they are rarely occupied...

slave1

Here she is, sold second hand but was still in original sealed packaging, fierce light altogether, probably just a circuit board and a lot of fresh air...

cros13

slave1 wrote: »

probably just a circuit board and a lot of fresh air...

Pretty much.

It's outrageous the cost of these things.

slave1

They'll come down in time, I paid £149 for mine including P&P so happy enough, 7kw model

slave1

Transporter confirmed, should have the car Saturday morning.

Switched to Energia for slightly cheaper electricity seeing as my Bord Gais deal expired last week.

Got my ESB Public Access Charge Card approval email earlier today.

All coming together...

KCross

slave1 wrote: »

Transporter confirmed, should have the car Saturday morning

Switched to Energia for slightly cheaper electricity seeing as my Bord Gais deal expired last week.

All coming together...

How do they deal with the DVLA paperwork without your signature?

Make sure you get the full V5 form and not just the tear off slip. If you don't get the full form you will have a delay when you go to sort the VRT here. Most UK dealers aren't aware of that. They usually send the full form off to the DVLA which then takes you a few extra weeks to sort out.

slave1

I'm grand on importing, this will be my 4th go, never signed for anything in the past and never close the deal without the full V5C, don't worry, the transporter guy I use is well versed on the V5C

Soarer

KCross wrote: »

How do they deal with the DVLA paperwork without your signature?

Make sure you get the full V5 form and not just the tear off slip. If you don't get the full form you will have a delay when you go to sort the VRT here. Most UK dealers aren't aware of that. They usually send the full form off to the DVLA which then takes you a few extra weeks to sort out.

Don't think that matters much when it comes to an EV.

unkel

Soarer wrote: »

Don't think that matters much when it comes to an EV.

No VRT means you can't register the car and it's illegal for an Irish resident to drive a car in this country with foreign plates. Also the car wouldn't be taxed and insurance might be an issue too if the delay is too long.

So, it matters quite a lot

Soarer

unkel wrote: »

No VRT means you can't register the car

Makes absolutely no sense. I'm sure you meant V5C.

unkel wrote: »

it's illegal for an Irish resident to drive a car in this country with foreign plates.

No it's not.

unkel wrote: »

Also the car wouldn't be taxed

Not in Ireland anyway.

unkel wrote: »

insurance might be an issue too if the delay is too long.

No it wouldn't if the situation is explained.

unkel wrote: »

So, it matters quite a lot

No it doesn't.

See, I can be a pedantic know-it-all too.

isnottheword

Soarer wrote: »

Don't think that matters much when it comes to an EV.

I wondered about this myself - when I imported mine. I appreciate that there is no vrt due on importation. However, if you can't provide the documentation within the allotted time, is there any potential for them to charge penalties on that basis in any event?


A family member had this scenario a couple of years back with an ICE. They made the mistake of letting the dealer send on the v5 to the DVLA in Swansea. They sat on it for weeks. With that, it wasn't possible to present the car and documentation to the vrt office to clear the vehicle. However, they didn't want to know other than to state that they would be imposing (what were exorbitant) penalties.

Whilst there is no VRT due on an EV, it still has to go through the process and be cleared/formally imported. Is there any opportunity that late fees would be applied in this instance?

Soarer

isnottheword wrote: »

I wondered about this myself - when I imported mine. I appreciate that there is no vrt due on importation. However, if you can't provide the documentation within the allotted time, is there any potential for them to charge penalties on that basis in any event?


A family member had this scenario a couple of years back with an ICE. They made the mistake of letting the dealer send on the v5 to the DVLA in Swansea. They sat on it for weeks. With that, it wasn't possible to present the car and documentation to the vrt office to clear the vehicle. However, they didn't want to know other than to state that they would be imposing (what were exorbitant) penalties.

Whilst there is no VRT due on an EV, it still has to go through the process and be cleared/formally imported. Is there any opportunity that late fees would be applied in this instance?

AFAIK, the penalty for late registration is a percentage of the original VRT amount owing. Something like 0.05% per day.

But if the VRT rate is €0, I don't know what they'd charge.

KCross

Soarer wrote: »

Makes absolutely no sense. I'm sure you meant V5C.

Correct. Its the V5C(i.e. the log book)... sorry, I left out the C! To be honest I didnt think there was any difference. Is there a V5 form for something else?

You absolutely do need that form at the NCT centre to register the car so it is important. Customs can seize your car after the 30days grace has passed.

I'm sure if you gave them the documentation to say you were waiting on the V5C from the DVLA they would let you off but I'd rather not have the hassle and rather not have to be dealing with the DVLA so my point stands.... you should ensure you get the full form from the dealer and dont let them send anything away to the DVLA.... I struggled to do that with my dealer... he thought I was conning him in some way.

isnottheword

Soarer wrote: »

AFAIK, the penalty for late registration is a percentage of the original VRT amount owing. Something like 0.05% per day.

But if the VRT rate is €0, I don't know what they'd charge.

I think you are right i.e. that it was percentage based and that it might therefore make sense that by default there would be nothing due. However, you never know with revenue.

No doubt someone here will be in this position at some stage and provide the feedback on the outcome then.

Gumbo

Soarer wrote: »

AFAIK, the penalty for late registration is a percentage of the original VRT amount owing. Something like 0.05% per day.

But if the VRT rate is €0, I don't know what they'd charge.

That's the VRT side of things, but if you turn up without all the correct documentation, they charge you an admin fee to re-schedule the appointment seemly.

isnottheword

KCross wrote: »

I struggled to do that with my dealer... he thought I was conning him in some way.

Yes, for many UK dealerships, they don't understand this - or the possible consequences. I suppose that they are so used to the otherwise compliant process that they are aware of - which is to forward the document on to Swansea.

That's why Irish customers need to be very clear with the seller of what needs to happen here when the deal is done - prior to collecting the vehicle.

KCross

kceire wrote: »

That's the VRT side of things, but if you turn up without all the correct documentation, they charge you an admin fee to re-schedule the appointment seemly.

I had to revisit them with a different proof of address. They wouldnt accept the ones I gave as they were printouts. Apparently originals only are allowed and I struggled to find anything original as all my accounts (banking, revenue etc) are all online now.

Anyway, I had to go back another day with that and they didnt charge me anything extra... in fact they didnt charge me anything for the entire process. I think that might have been a mistake on their part!

Anyone here have to pay NCT an admin fee for registering an EV?

isnottheword

KCross wrote: »

Anyone here have to pay NCT an admin fee for registering an EV?

No charge whatsoever in my case - albeit that documentation was in order and presented on the scheduled day. As above, can't say for definite if there would be some sort of penalty if you don't rock up to them within the allotted time due to not having the paperwork in order.....

Soarer

KCross wrote: »

Correct. Its the V5C(i.e. the log book)... sorry, I left out the C! To be honest I didnt think there was any difference. Is there a V5 form for something else?

I was quoting Unkel dude, not you.

It's a V5 on this side I think, and a V5C on their side.

Gumbo

KCross wrote: »

I had to revisit them with a different proof of address. They wouldnt accept the ones I gave as they were printouts. Apparently originals only are allowed and I struggled to find anything original as all my accounts (banking, revenue etc) are all online now.

Anyway, I had to go back another day with that and they didnt charge me anything extra... in fact they didnt charge me anything for the entire process. I think that might have been a mistake on their part!

Anyone here have to pay NCT an admin fee for registering an EV?

Maybe im wrong, I was on the site last night as they say if incorrect documentation is produced, the admin fee applies.
Maybe its case by case?

KCross

Soarer wrote: »

I was quoting Unkel dude, not you.

It's a V5 on this side I think, and a V5C on their side.

post 227!

unkel

Soarer wrote: »

I can be a pedantic know-it-all too.

"all vehicles brought into Ireland are subject to Vehicle Registration Tax (VRT) and must be registered. If you are moving to Ireland or are already living here and you are importing a car or other vehicle, you will need to do 4 things before you can drive your vehicle in Ireland:

Pay Vehicle Registration Tax (VRT) (unless you are exempt)
Get new vehicle registration plates
Get motor insurance
Pay motor tax"


Linky

I'll say it again: it's illegal for an Irish resident to drive a foreign registered vehicle in this country.

You'll probably get away with it while you are actually bringing your car in if you import it personally, but I wouldn't go drive it around happy as Larry while you're waiting for delays with paperwork. That said, law enforcement levels are so low in this country that a lot of people don't even remember what the laws are...

Soarer

KCross wrote: »

post 227!

But you quoted my reply to Unkel! I never corrected what you said when I quoted you.

KCross

Soarer wrote: »

But you quoted my reply to Unkel! I never corrected what you said when I quoted you.

ok, but you did say in your reply to me that the V5(C!) form didnt matter much for importing an EV. It does. Or do you still believe it doesnt?

Soarer

unkel wrote: »

"all vehicles brought into Ireland are subject to Vehicle Registration Tax (VRT) and must be registered. If you are moving to Ireland or are already living here and you are importing a car or other vehicle, you will need to do 4 things before you can drive your vehicle in Ireland:

Pay Vehicle Registration Tax (VRT) (unless you are exempt)
Get new vehicle registration plates
Get motor insurance
Pay motor tax"


Linky

I'll say it again: it's illegal for an Irish resident to drive a foreign registered vehicle in this country.

You'll probably get away with it while you are actually bringing your car in if you import it personally, but I wouldn't go drive it around happy as Larry while you're waiting for delays with paperwork. That said, law enforcement levels are so low in this country that a lot of people don't even remember what the laws are...

And I'll say it again, no it's not!

Nothing you quoted there says it's illegal. It says "you must do".

You have 30 days to VRT your car, and you can drive the car while you're waiting. Unless you're telling me you're not allowed do this, and you should trailer the car to the VRT office?
Once you get there, if there's a problem, you can get a form stamped to say you attended the VRT office and things are delayed, thus allowing you to drive the car for even longer.

And finally, are you telling me that if you insure your car on English plates until you get it VRT'd, and you have a crash while waiting for your appointment, your insurance is void? Or are the the insurance companies complicit in this "illegal" activity?

Soarer

KCross wrote: »

ok, but you did say in your reply to me that the V5(C!) form didnt matter much for importing an EV. It does. Or do you still believe it doesnt?

That's not what I said. Why would anyone think you don't need the logbook when registering?

KCross

Soarer wrote: »

That's not what I said.

Maybe I misundestood you then but you highlighted this line in bold...

"If you don't get the full form you will have a delay when you go to sort the VRT here."

And then said...
"Don't think that matters much when it comes to an EV."


That seems fairly clear to me that you dont think getting the full form matters for VRT.

Can you explain what you do mean as it is going to confuse would be buyers who are new to the process.

Soarer

KCross wrote: »

Maybe I misundestood you then but you highlighted this line in bold...

"If you don't get the full form you will have a delay when you go to sort the VRT here."

And then said...
"Don't think that matters much when it comes to an EV."


That seems fairly clear to me that you dont think getting the full form matters for VRT.

Can you explain what you do mean as it is going to confuse would be buyers who are new to the process.

Well then you're easily confused, and if others are of the same mindset, I don't think they should be bothering themselves with the ins and outs of importing a car or EV ownership. The fact you picked out about the form, and not about the delay in getting the car VRT'd, is your mindset. I read it, and still read it, as the delay not being an issue. A fact I clarified a few posts later.

How, or why, anyone would think you don't need a logbook to register an EV is beyond me.

unkel

Soarer wrote: »

It says "you must do".

So "must" is now something voluntary? Wrong again.

must - be required by law

Linky

Soarer

So our insurance is void?

Edit: It actually doesn't even say "must". It says "need". What does Merriam say about "need"?

unkel

Soarer wrote: »

Edit: It actually doesn't even say "must". I

You quoted me wrong and then I quoted you wrong. Apologies there

I'm pretty sure about residents not being allowed to drive foreign reg cars though, we've been over that in the motors forum so many times over the years. Just did a bit of research there but any of the links to the Revenue site are no longer valid.

Soarer

Not much of a pedant am I?!?

What about the insurance though?