Community National Schools - Bruton steps up support

recedite

J C wrote: »

Recedite may have been exaggerating for effect ... but nonetheless, he obviously believes there is a kernel of truth in what he says about the approach of some Atheists to inter-human relations ... or he wouldn't have said it ... or indeed, thought it to be funny.

Quite right, I was exaggerating. After all, there may be times when it would benefit people to face up to the reality if their situation, and then to teach them better life skills/coping methods. At the same time, yes, a grain of truth.

J C wrote: »

Marx called religion 'the opium of the people' ... and even it this is true, in some respects, what is wrong with something that helps to safely ease people's psychological and psychic pain?
You may argue that this religious 'opium' is based on an illusion ... but then all Psychotropic medications prescribed for depression and other psychological pain, create degrees of positive feelings and appropriate 'illusions' ... indeed that is their prime mechanism of functionality.

Obviously you have thought about this, and you seem to accept a grain or two of truth here too?
Marx was a smart guy, and he was quite right about that. Religion does help people to endure suffering. But by doing so, it sometimes (perhaps inadvertently) keeps them languishing in that situation, instead of seeking real ways to improve their lot.
You'l notice though, that I am not saying there is anything wrong, as such, with using religion to comfort people. It is one of the few beneficial uses of religion. It would however be wrong to use it instead of seeking other solutions.

yoganinja

Interesting that independent research from Trinity shows what many people were saying about the "best practice" GMGY programme parents, principals teachers didn't find it a workable approach and children don't like to be separated on basis of religion in class

http://www.tcd.ie/news_events/articles/community-national-schools-research-shows-pupils-don-t-want-to-be-separated/7937?utm_content=buffer37487&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer#.WUvsWBTCtKw.twitter

yoganinja

Interesting that independent research from Trinity shows what many people were saying about the "best practice" GMGY programme parents, principals teachers didn't find it a workable approach and children don't like to be separated on basis of religion in class

http://www.tcd.ie/news_events/articles/community-national-schools-research-shows-pupils-don-t-want-to-be-separated/7937?utm_content=buffer37487&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer#.WUvsWBTCtKw.twitter

J C

yoganinja wrote: »

Interesting that independent research from Trinity shows what many people were saying about the "best practice" GMGY programme parents, principals teachers didn't find it a workable approach and children don't like to be separated on basis of religion in class

http://www.tcd.ie/news_events/articles/community-national-schools-research-shows-pupils-don-t-want-to-be-separated/7937?utm_content=buffer37487&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer#.WUvsWBTCtKw.twitter

Then I'd suggest that they don't bother separating ... and in Church run schools, children of other religions and none should attend religion classes ... and learn about the dominant Judeo-Christian worldview shared by the vast majority of their fellow citizens ... and not be isolating themselves like some kind of sectarian 'stick in the mud'.

... alternatively, parents can decide to not do 'best practice', as found by Trinity College ... and separate their children from their fellow students on the basis of attending religion class ... or not ... or indeed on the basis of attending church-run schools ... or not.

It's not like the secularist and materialist worldview doesn't have ample opportunity to inculcate itself in all students via the curriculum for the remaining 90% of the school day anyway!!!
... only now it wants 100%.

It has been my experience that it is often, the very people who shout loudest about respecting diversity, are the very ones who disrespect Christianity ... and all it stands for ... go figure !!!

recedite

yoganinja wrote: »

Interesting that independent research from Trinity shows what many people were saying ...

http://www.tcd.ie/news_events/articles/community-national-schools-research-shows-pupils-don-t-want-to-be-separated/7937?utm_content=buffer37487&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer#.WUvsWBTCtKw.twitter

The study found that sacramental preparation has led to a perceived privileging of Catholic students over other groups in Community National Schools. The Community National Schools offer sacramental preparation for communion and confirmation within the school day. The amount of time dedicated to preparation differed throughout the schools, largely influenced by parish demands.

Not exactly rocket science though. This was the pre-condition set by the RCC before they would support the development of the CNC school model.

The big mistake was for the state (or Minister Bruton) to think that the permission/approval of RCC was necessary before setting up a new type of public/state school.

yoganinja

J C wrote: »

Then I'd suggest that they don't bother separating ... and in Church run schools, children of other religions and none should attend religion classes ... and learn about the dominant Judeo-Christian worldview shared by the vast majority of their fellow citizens ... and not be isolating themselves like some kind of sectarian 'stick in the mud'.

... alternatively, parents can decide to not do 'best practice', as found by Trinity College ... and separate their children from their fellow students on the basis of attending religion class ... or not ... or indeed on the basis of attending church-run schools ... or not.

It's not like the secularist and materialist worldview doesn't have ample opportunity to inculcate itself in all students via the curriculum for the remaining 90% of the school day anyway!!!
... only now it wants 100%.

It has been my experience that it is often, the very people who shout loudest about respecting diversity, are the very ones who disrespect Christianity ... and all it stands for ... go figure !!!

So respecting diversity in a "church run" school is to tell people to not be a "stick in the mud" and sit there for religion classes .........hhmmmm ok

yoganinja

Yup not rocket science - I'd go further and say it fits into the "no **** Sherlock" category, but good to see that it was validated by an external review of the "service users"

It shows that the initial raison d'etre for this model was only ever as an acceptable church-approved vehicle for divestment

recedite

yoganinja wrote: »

It shows that the initial raison d'etre for this model was only ever as an acceptable church-approved vehicle for divestment

And even at that, the state has been swindled because divestment never happened. The CNC schools are all brand new schools built by the state. Thus adding to the stock of religious/indoctrinating schools.

yoganinja

recedite wrote: »

And even at that, the state has been swindled because divestment never happened. The CNC schools are all brand new schools built by the state. Thus adding to the stock of religious/indoctrinating schools.

The new one in Killarney will be an existing school- it will be fascinating to see if this new one will adopt the now discredited original GMGY given it is an RC divestment