What next for the undocumented Irish in the states?

topmanamillion

Jawgap wrote: »

Yeah, it's a hard ol' station he has......all those hours in the government jet, the wining, the dining and then he has to do something as unspeakable as an empty political gesture......

......sure a nurse in A&E on Saturday night has it easy compared to that.

Put it this way, any time he finds it all too onerous he can resign, walk away and get a pension equivalent to an amount the vast majority of us will never see as a salary.

As I said I'm no fan of Kenny but its still an unenvious position that the Irish electorate are pushing him into and quite frankly it reflects poorly on the country as a whole.
He is our a head of state after all.

Jawgap

topmanamillion wrote: »

As I said I'm no fan of Kenny but its still an unenvious position that the Irish electorate are pushing him into and quite frankly it reflects poorly on the country as a whole.
He is our a head of state after all.

Yes and he wasn't dragooned into doing it.

Very few of us have the luxury of being able to walk away from our jobs without any consequences. TDs generally have fallback options, for example Enda was a teacher before inherited his seat got elected. Nothing to stop him doing that.

And he only raises such issues because of votes and expediency......he could always show some actual leadership and stand on his principles if he feels being populist is inherently wrong.

First Up

Jawgap wrote:

And he only raises such issues because of votes and expediency......he could always show some actual leadership and stand on his principles if he feels being populist is inherently wrong.

Your plan being......?

Jawgap

First Up wrote: »

Your plan being......?

No plan, aside from they made their bed they can lie in it.

I don't think Enda deserves any sympathy simply because he does something populist.

él statutorio

topmanamillion wrote: »

As I said I'm no fan of Kenny but its still an unenvious position that the Irish electorate are pushing him into and quite frankly it reflects poorly on the country as a whole.
He is our a head of state after all.

Michael D might disagree with you on that one.

First Up

Jawgap wrote:

I don't think Enda deserves any sympathy simply because he does something populist.

You seem to harbour very hostile feelings towards Kenny. Other than gloating at him being in a difficult position, do you have any specific criticisms/suggestions?

Jawgap

First Up wrote: »

You seem to harbour very hostile feelings towards Kenny. Other than gloating at him being in a difficult position, do you have any specific criticisms/suggestions?

Well I'm not sure it's for this thread, but I'm not gloating simply pointing out the actuality of his position.

Wouldn't it be great, especially in the current climate, if we had politicians who led and took principled positions, rather than just pander?

First Up

Jawgap wrote:

Wouldn't it be great, especially in the current climate, if we had politicians who led and took principled positions, rather than just pander?

Good idea. Which positions would you like to see him take?

Jawgap

First Up wrote: »

Good idea. Which positions would you like to see him take?

On the topic to hand?

Simple, "you made your bed, lie in it. You shouldn't be treated any less or more favourably than any other illegal immigrant."

First Up

Jawgap wrote:

Simple, "you made your bed, lie in it. You shouldn't be treated any less or more favourably than any other illegal immigrant."

Fair enough. He may not put it in quite those terms but do you suspect he will say something different?

Jawgap

First Up wrote: »

Fair enough. He may not put it in quite those terms but do you suspect he will say something different?

I doubt he'll surprise us