The Cranberries

andekwarhola

Her accent is woeful enough but when she starts doing that yodelling thing...

Wouldn't sound out of place in one of those Joyce bare knuckle feud videos.

Got a soft spot for Linger though.

DrGreenthumb

I'll just leave this comment here to linger for a while

murpho999

I liked the Cranberries in their day and think their first two albums were very good.

Thing is threads like this no matter what musician/band/artist it is about will always result in people posting how crap the music is/was.

Saw a post somewhere last year on a newspaper comments section saying David Bowie hadn't a note in his head.

Saw another one on boards a few days ago saying The Beatles had no talent.

Some people shouldn't be allowed access to the internet.

pickarooney

I'd never read the words to that John Lennon sing before. Christ almighty.

I still think dreams was a cracking tune though

Going Forward

andekwarhola wrote: »

Her accent is woeful enough but when she starts doing that yodelling thing...

Wouldn't sound out of place in one of those Joyce bare knuckle feud videos.

Got a soft spot for Linger though.

Yeah, Linger is a song, a classic and whatever about what followed, that one was excellent and they never repeated that touch of genius.

Most artists don't even attain it, so kudos to them for that one gem.

Going Forward

Deleted User wrote: »

The Thrills sounded like an Irish band singing to their English landlord

Just don't go back to Big...sur...

Danny O Reilly has as every bit as woeful a voice IMO.

Earthhorse

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

They were kind of riding on that short lived wave of the UK thinking Ireland was kind of cool (or maybe it was just Chris Evans), and not just bombs and hate, which was the only reason we'd been in the news for decades. Plus they were nice to look at (especially Jim!).

They were riding on the fact that they were rides.

infogiver

Dolores was more or less neglecting her kids and starting to become physically abusive.
The husband had to go to court in Canada to have her removed from the family home.
The kids will happily see/speak on the phone to Dolores mother but not Dolores.
Sad thing is Dolores not too bothered about that.

WoollyRedHat

My so called life.

maudgonner

Jesus, whatever about slagging their music, delving into the woman's private life and her relationship with her kids is a bit much, no?

blueser

Patww79 wrote: »

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Yep; Like listening to nails scraped down a blackboard.

goose2005

silence does not rhyme with violence

blueser

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

I don't know, the Corrs at least weren't really trying to be cool or edgy or anything and their music was about as offensive as lift music. They were kind of riding on that short lived wave of the UK thinking Ireland was kind of cool (or maybe it was just Chris Evans), and not just bombs and hate, which was the only reason we'd been in the news for decades. Plus they were nice to look at (especially Jim Caroline!).

Incidentally I've never been in a lift that played music.

Fixed that for you!

pickarooney

pickarooney wrote: »

I'd never read the words to that John Lennon sing before. Christ almighty.

I think of it as the musical equivalent to William McGonagall's classic poem "The Tay Bridge Disaster".

*sigh* If only John Lennon had been supported on each side with buttresses...

Robineen

murpho999 wrote: »

I liked the Cranberries in their day and think their first two albums were very good.

Thing is threads like this no matter what musician/band/artist it is about will always result in people posting how crap the music is/was.

That's probably because taste varies. I can't believe I have to point that out! I also can't believe you are illustrating your point by mentioning Bowie and the Beatles though. Whilst even they would have people not liking their music, the Cranberries wish they were even a smidgen as good as either of those acts. It's with very good reason that many people, me included, don't like Dolores and co. - they're sh1te!

murpho999

Robineen wrote: »

That's probably because taste varies. I can't believe I have to point that out! I also can't believe you are illustrating your point by mentioning Bowie and the Beatles though. Whilst even they would have people not liking their music, the Cranberries wish they were even a smidgen as good as either of those acts. It's with very good reason that many people, me included, don't like Dolores and co. - they're sh1te!

OK, so can you direct me towards the international critically acclaimed hit album you have written so I can just compare it to what The Cranberries have done?

Turtyturd

How come it's ok to appreciate something without having created one yourself, but it's a requirement for criticising something in some people's eyes?

Don't mind the cranberries, some decent songs.

team_actimel

While I prefer 'Linger' and 'Dreams' I don't understand all the hate for 'Zombie'. Just saw there the video for Zombie has over 470 million views on YouTube. Something to be proud of.

gifted

I saw the cranberries in killarney..14 years ago I think...they opened for the counting crows....cranberries were brilliant, really got the crowd going...counting crows came on and they just ruined the atmosphere....

Sugarlumps

gifted wrote: »

I saw the cranberries in killarney..14 years ago I think...they opened for the counting crows....cranberries were brilliant, really got the crowd going...counting crows came on and they just ruined the atmosphere....

Well now, there just plain awful. I'd like to run up and kick that lead singer in the nuts, multiple times. Anyone who owns an album of there's should be knee capped.

team_actimel

Sugarlumps wrote: »

Well now, there just plain awful. I'd like to run up and kick that lead singer in the nuts, multiple times. Anyone who owns an album of there's should be knee capped.

Don't like their songs. The only exception being 'Colourblind' - song used in 'Cruel Intentions'.

Chain Smoker

Always weird hearing Cantonese Cranberries in Chungking Express

andekwarhola

murpho999 wrote: »

OK, so can you direct me towards the international critically acclaimed hit album you have written so I can just compare it to what The Cranberries have done?

By your own yardstick, unless you've written an international critically acclaimed hit album, your opinion on music is equally worthless.

If you are Dolores O'Riordan, please don't beat me up.

razorblunt

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Oh Jesus, damn you for reminding me they ever existed. I think their whole credo was based on spending a few weeks in California one time and they came back thinking they were the Beach Boys during the Pet Sounds era... That whiny stupid voice he put on. Shame on your The Thrills, shame on you.

"What's your name?"
'Poiiirc'
"Pork?"
'no, Pooooiiiirccccc'
"Write it down for me ... oh Padraic, sure why didn't you just say that".

One of the better Gift Grub moments there.

Tombo2001

Have to laugh at all the dismissive comments.

The most successful Irish band of all time, apart from U2.

How many 25 year old songs have half a billion views on youtube (Zombie). That's twice has much as any U2 song, comfortably more than any song by Madonna, Bruce Springsteen or the Beatles.

But some joe soap on boards thinks they're crap, so they must be......

murpho999

andekwarhola wrote: »

By your own yardstick, unless you've written an international critically acclaimed hit album, your opinion on music is equally worthless.

If you are Dolores O'Riordan, please don't beat me up.

It's not my yardstick, I'm just trying to make a point.

To say that a band that have albums that are critically acclaimed (read the reviews) are just shoite is just wrong in my opinion.

Something not being to your taste does not mean you can just go on the net and label something as crap.

Tombo2001

infogiver wrote: »

Dolores was more or less neglecting her kids and starting to become physically abusive.
The husband had to go to court in Canada to have her removed from the family home.
The kids will happily see/speak on the phone to Dolores mother but not Dolores.
Sad thing is Dolores not too bothered about that.

I'll trust you have a good lawyer?

Stab*City

Multi Platinum selling artists.. Someone liked them.

andekwarhola

murpho999 wrote: »

It's not my yardstick, I'm just trying to make a point.

To say that a band that have albums that are critically acclaimed (read the reviews) are just shoite is just wrong in my opinion.

Something not being to your taste does not mean you can just go on the net and label something as crap.

Some people think it's great. Some people think it's not great.

Get over it.

eviltimeban

They were on the same flight as me once, in 1995, to San Francisco. I met the three lads in the airport but Dolores had gone already while they waited for luggage.

"Wanted" from the first album was pretty good. In fact, that whole album was reasonably good in the sense that here was a new Irish band playing this polished, commercial, accessible music that became commercially successful in the UK and USA. Sure they were on a major label but there was a market for that kind of thing and they took their chance.

I seem to remember they first toured the States supporting Suede, and the US audiences didn't really know what to make of Suede but loved the Cranberries.

From then on their music wasn't as appealing. The Thrills though, what an awful, awful, awful band. From concept to delivery. I remember seeing two of them in Yamamori looking completely miserable (this was after their stock had gone down). And yes, they made a conscious decision to play 70's West Coast rock, and went about ordering all the big albums from that genre via a CD ordering club. Rather than, you know, organically growing to love and want to play a particular type of music. Just so calculated.

Joe_ Public

I think the debut album is as close to a masterpiece as any debut album has a right to be. I don't know if the perfect pop song has ever been made, but Dreams comes pretty close.

Think they lost their way slightly afterwards, but there are still some good moments in subsequent albums. I guess Dolores O'Riordan has a kind of marmite voice, I happen to be a fan myself.

seachto7

Never was a big fan. Maybe some of their stuff was of its' time. But you can't argue that they've been the most successful Irish band since U2. Why have most other Irish bands not come anywhere near their success? Perhaps they're not nor ever were good enough.

team_actimel

eviltimeban wrote: »

And yes, they made a conscious decision to play 70's West Coast rock, and went about ordering all the big albums from that genre via a CD ordering club. Rather than, you know, organically growing to love and want to play a particular type of music. Just so calculated.

I initially read that as 'West Cork rock' and was thinking to myself what is that. They probably would have been a slightly better band had they not had yer man as the lead singer. Such a strained unnatural voice.

Arghus

team_actimel wrote: »

I initially read that as 'West Cork rock' and was thinking to myself what is that. They probably would have been a slightly better band had they not had yer man as the lead singer. Such a strained unnatural voice.

And he could not sing live for love nor money. I heard a few performances by them over the years and your man always sounded atrocious, obviously without studio trickery he just couldn't do it.

Robineen

murpho999 wrote: »

OK, so can you direct me towards the international critically acclaimed hit album you have written so I can just compare it to what The Cranberries have done?

What an utterly daft comeback. You can only dislike a band's music if you yourself have made music?

Let me ask you, murpho, had there never been a popular band you didn't like? And if so, did you feel like you couldn't criticise them because you haven't recorded music yourself?

Robineen

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Have to laugh at all the dismissive comments.

The most successful Irish band of all time, apart from U2.

How many 25 year old songs have half a billion views on youtube (Zombie). That's twice has much as any U2 song, comfortably more than any song by Madonna, Bruce Springsteen or the Beatles.

But some joe soap on boards thinks they're crap, so they must be......

Let me get this straight - if someone dislikes their music, they're wrong? This is playground stuff.

Oh and many crap things are wildly popular. It's not a marker of quality. 400,000 tickets were sold for Garth Brooks here three years ago. Yup.

leakyboots

Dolores has mental health/substance abuse problems, I hope people can understand that. Have seen her out a few times, she has a minder/babysitter following her around while she gets wrecked. It's actually quite sad to see.

Not a big fan of their music but they've some great tunes, Dreams and Linger especially.

One of the Hogan brothers runs a recording studio, the other is involved on the techie side of things for bigger shows that come to Ireland I think - both are a pleasure to deal with, lovely guys.

Tombo2001

Robineen wrote: »

Let me get this straight - if someone dislikes their music, they're wrong? This is playground stuff.

Oh and many crap things are wildly popular. It's not a marker of quality. 400,000 tickets were sold for Garth Brooks here three years ago. Yup.

I never said anyone was right or wrong. But why not say that I said it; and then say that its playground stuff for me to say it......I believe there's a word for that.

Half a billion people like Zombie enough to watch on youtube, 100 million for Linger. They have sold how many millions of albums - 20? 30?

Nobody is right or wrong about music. You either like it, or you don't like it. In this case, you don't like it.....loads of other people do, just like as you say loads of other people like Garth Brooks. Get over it, and don't be such a musical snob; because I can guarantee you that whatever music you like, plenty of other people out there think its crap.

Tombo2001

Going to go out on a limb here....

I think there music sounds a lot better(I) if you don't understand the lyrics and (ii) if you are not Irish.

Irish people hear Zombie and they cringe at the republican related content, and probably also at her Limerick accent - a Chilean or Spanish or Brazilian person doesn't come with that baggage, as a listener. Cranberries were and are huge in South America.

Other point on Cranberries - Stephen Street. He worked with them on their first two albums; their output dipped a bit when they stopped working with him.

Robineen

Tombo2001 wrote: »

I never said anyone was right or wrong. But why not say that I said it; and then say that its playground stuff for me to say it......I believe there's a word for that.

Half a billion people like Zombie enough to watch on youtube, 100 million for Linger. They have sold how many millions of albums - 20? 30?

Nobody is right or wrong about music. You either like it, or you don't like it. In this case, you don't like it.....loads of other people do, just like as you say loads of other people like Garth Brooks. Get over it, and don't be such a musical snob; because I can guarantee you that whatever music you like, plenty of other people out there think its crap.

I wouldn't be calling anyone else a musical snob when you were quite happy to dismiss the views of "joe soap" boards users. What makes your views more valid? Are you also not just a joe soap boards user? What makes you stand out as a trusted musical arbiter?

The very fact that a Cranberries song has far more views than any Beatles one highlights that popularity is not really a marker of quality.

Lorelli!

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Irish people hear Zombie and they cringe at the republican related content, and probably also at her Limerick accent -

I know a lot of people don't like her voice but I like it when a singer can sing in their own accent. A lot of singers can't seem to do that. And you'd definitely recognize one of their songs without seeing them because they do have a unique sound to them.

Tombo2001

Lorelli! wrote: »

I know a lot of people don't like her voice but I like it when a singer can sing in their own accent. A lot of singers can't seem to do that. And you'd definitely recognize one of their songs without seeing them because they do have a unique sound to them.

Irish people often seem to have a big problem with Irish singers using their accent when singing.

Dolores would be one example; Damien Dempsey another.

topper75

leakyboots wrote: »

Dolores has mental health/substance abuse problems, I hope people can understand that. Have seen her out a few times, she has a minder/babysitter following her around while she gets wrecked. It's actually quite sad to see.

Not a big fan of their music but they've some great tunes, Dreams and Linger especially.

One of the Hogan brothers runs a recording studio, the other is involved on the techie side of things for bigger shows that come to Ireland I think - both are a pleasure to deal with, lovely guys.

What is Fergal the drummer up to?

the lad could play, shame if he isn't still

murpho999

Robineen wrote: »

What an utterly daft comeback. You can only dislike a band's music if you yourself have made music?

Let me ask you, murpho, had there never been a popular band you didn't like? And if so, did you feel like you couldn't criticise them because you haven't recorded music yourself?

I actually don’t like the vast majority of popular music. In my opinion popularity does not always equate to quality.

That said, when you see a band like The Cranberries, who’s first two albums were not only commercially successful, but actually well reviewed and respected by critics, then I find it wrong for people just to label it as ‘shoite’, hence my retort.

There is also a big difference on labeling something ‘shoite’ and disliking it. Take for example Ed Sheeran and Adele who are of course very successful and popular today. I genuinely don’t like the music, all to samey and poppy for me. I do though regard each artist as talented musicians and singers and wouldn’t call them ‘shoite’, just because their stuff is not for me.

Joe_ Public

topper75 wrote: »

What is Fergal the drummer up to?

the lad could play, shame if he isn't still

Sorry I can't answer your question, but from your name I'm going to hazard a guess and say you know a thing or two about great drumming.

Robineen

murpho999 wrote: »

I actually don’t like the vast majority of popular music. In my opinion popularity does not always equate to quality.

That said, when you see a band like The Cranberries, who’s first two albums were not only commercially successful, but actually well reviewed and respected by critics, then I find it wrong for people just to label it as ‘shoite’, hence my retort.

The Cranberries are not universally critically acclaimed though. In fact I remember one memorable critic review I read years ago where the critic compared her voice and lyrical talent to Phoebe from Friends.

And I disagree that you can't consider something crap just because others don't. Her voice and songs offend my ears.

But apparently I can't say that because I'm not a recording artist myself.

leakyboots

topper75 wrote: »

What is Fergal the drummer up to?

the lad could play, shame if he isn't still

No idea, actually, haven't ever heard his name mentioned at all in relation to anything.

Hopefully sittin' back enjoying the royalties!

Dr Crayfish

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Have to laugh at all the dismissive comments.

The most successful Irish band of all time, apart from U2.

How many 25 year old songs have half a billion views on youtube (Zombie). That's twice has much as any U2 song, comfortably more than any song by Madonna, Bruce Springsteen or the Beatles.

But some joe soap on boards thinks they're crap, so they must be......

That's like saying U2 are good just because they sold a lot of records. I cannot stand the sound of Bono's voice, I really can't. They are hasbeens who continue to release terrible music and tour. Lots of people like them but I don't. It's all subjective really.
Justin Bieber probably has billions of YouTube views, should the Canadians feel pride in their hearts?

Arghus

Reading this thread has made me realise that I have no strong feelings about The Cranberries.

ultra violet 5

i.m.o. the 2 of the 4 greatest ever voices have been dolores o riordan and dolores keane