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Quebec Attack

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  • #272
    Billy86
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    Noddyholder wrote: »
    That's all very nice but I will feel a bit better when I see Muslims doing the same in Paris, Berlin, Belgium, Also when I hear major influential imans saying the suicide bombs and truck attacks are morally wrong and are against the teaching of the Koran.
    This thread is not about Islamic terrorism, it's about the white supremacist terrorist attack on Muslims in Quebec City. The aftermath and reaction of Canadians is relevant, your eagerness to try and switch the subject is not.


  • #273
    el diablo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,781 ✭✭✭el diablo


    Billy86 wrote: »
    This thread is not about Islamic terrorism, it's about the white supremacist terrorist attack on Muslims in Quebec City. The aftermath and reaction of Canadians is relevant, your eagerness to try and switch the subject is not.

    White supremacist terrorist attack? Is that really what it was though? There's some suspicion as to what actually happened and the original official story had several holes in it.

    Orange pilled.



  • #274
    26000 Elephants
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    el diablo wrote: »
    White supremacist terrorist attack? Is that really what it was though? There's some suspicion as to what actually happened and the original official story had several holes in it.

    Yes. A white supremacist inspired by Trump and LePen.

    There was no original story, just sketchy details released before it was clear what had happened. When a statement was issued, it was fairly clear.


  • #275
    Billy86
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    el diablo wrote: »
    White supremacist terrorist attack? Is that really what it was though? There's some suspicion as to what actually happened and the original official story had several holes in it.
    It was a terrorist attack, exactly as Trudeau and Canada's federal legislator each said themselves, and it turned out from those who knew the guy that he was a white supremacist, so pretty much yeah.


  • #276
    Grayson
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    Noddyholder wrote: »
    That's all very nice but I will feel a bit better when I see Muslims doing the same in Paris, Berlin, Belgium, Also when I hear major influential imans saying the suicide bombs and truck attacks are morally wrong and are against the teaching of the Koran.

    Like all the marches in Paris after the Charlie Hebdo attacks in which muslim community leaders marched with world leaders? Or the massive marches after the attacks in Berlin.
    These things happen all the time.


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  • #277
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,191 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    el diablo wrote: »
    White supremacist terrorist attack? Is that really what it was though? There's some suspicion as to what actually happened and the original official story had several holes in it.

    Such as?


  • #278
    Noddyholder
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    Grayson wrote: »
    Like all the marches in Paris after the Charlie Hebdo attacks in which muslim community leaders marched with world leaders? Or the massive marches after the attacks in Berlin.
    These things happen all the time.


    They certainly do not happen all the time & in the instances you just posted they are always led or with western folks who have a very imo warped view on what is exactly happening here.

    As I said when I here or read about senior & signicafient imans coming out & condemning these attacks whole heartily & saying there wrong & it is going against the teaching of the Koran & Islam, until then...

    Sorry OT here I leave it there.


  • #279
    el diablo
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    My name is URL wrote: »
    Such as?

    It's probably best if I don't discuss it here. After following this story closely from the beginning I just don't believe that we've be told the official version of events.

    Orange pilled.



  • #280
    My name is URL
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    el diablo wrote: »
    It's probably best if I don't discuss it here. After following this story closely from the beginning I just don't believe that we've be told the official version of events.

    Why not discuss it here?

    What do you believe we haven't been told?

    You said that there is suspicion about what actually happened. If that suspicion exists solely in your own head then you should try to phrase it better so that is clear.


  • #281
    Timberrrrrrrr
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    el diablo wrote: »
    It's probably best if I don't discuss it here. After following this story closely from the beginning I just don't believe that we've be told the official version of events.

    So tell us what you believe really happened.


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  • #282
    wakka12
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    26000 Elephants wrote: »
    Yes. A white supremacist inspired by Trump and LePen.

    There was no original story, just sketchy details released before it was clear what had happened. When a statement was issued, it was fairly clear.

    He was far right nationalist and anti muslim though I havnt heard anything to say he necessarily was a 'white supremacist' , just racist


  • #283
    Billy86
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    wakka12 wrote: »
    He was far right nationalist and anti muslim though I havnt heard anything to say he necessarily was a 'white supremacist' , just racist

    “He really liked Trump and had a permanent grudge against the left,” explained Éric Debroise, who knew Bissonnette and contacted the police after the attack. (Quotes are original translations from French.)

    The suspected shooter’s politics are “very right-wing and ultra-nationalist white supremacist,” Debroise told the local newspaper Le Journal de Quebec.


  • #284
    jackofalltrades
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    It wouldn't be a bad idea at this stage to bring in some kind of cross community engagement scheme, for disaffected teenagers who are at risk of turning to violence.
    Regardless of their background or motivations.
    Give them enough of a connection with humanity that they'll think twice about killing strangers.


  • #285
    Billy86
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    The Commissioner of the RCMP ('Mounties'), who deal with terrorist activities, summed up some bits pretty well, and to be honest it's quite applicable to After Hours in parts:

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/quebec-city-mosque-shooter-was-a-criminal-extremist-rcmp-commissioner/article33920071/
    RCMP Commissioner Bob Paulson is warning about “non-classic” terrorism that feeds on hate and controversy on social media, blaming growing political polarization for the deadly shooting at a mosque in Quebec City.

    Speaking to a Senate committee, Mr. Paulson described the lone suspect in the Jan. 29 murder of six Muslims in Quebec City as a “criminal extremist.” He defined this category to include people such as Justin Bourque, who killed three Mounties in Moncton in 2014, and the Freeman-on-the-Land movement that challenges government’s authority across the country.

    Mr. Paulson said investigators in the Quebec City shooting are still working to determine whether to charge Alexandre Bissonnette with terrorism-related offences. Mr. Bissonnette is already facing six counts of first-degree murder and five counts of attempted murder in relation to the attack at the Centre culturel islamique de Québec.

    “We need to understand this offender,” he said. “What was driving him to act in the way that he did? Sometimes there is a political backdrop to that.”

    The RCMP commissioner refused to say exactly what investigators have unearthed to this point, but he referred to “the conversations that are taking place in some of those chats, on the Internet, on Twitter, on those kinds of forums.”

    “There is, I think everyone would agree, a more caustic tone to the political discourse that seems to attract and agitate and radicalize people of all persuasions – particularly those who know hardly anything about it – to engage. That represents a concern for us,” he told the Senate committee on national security and defence.

    ...

    “If I had been inside of that mosque, I would have been terrified. So you have the conversational classification of what was happening, and then there is the criminal, legal [classification],” Mr. Paulson told reporters. “If at some point, in the view of the police and the prosecutor, there is a compelling public-interest dimension, and the evidence is sufficiently developed to make the sensible argument that a terrorist prosecution is in order, then that is what will happen.”

    The RCMP is the lead police force on this case, given the possibility of terrorism-related charges, working alongside provincial and municipal police forces.

    ...

    Still, he added new threats are emerging along with the growth of social media.

    “There is a renewed interest in the non-classic terrorist case, the sort of offender who was present in Quebec City; we’ve worked through a partnership of police agencies on what we could call the criminal extremist,” Mr. Paulson said.


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