Why is coffee gone so expensive?

caviardreams

ScumLord wrote: »

It's incredible how many different types of bean there are out there. It's like the craft beer market. It's actually surprising you don't have more choices of coffee bean in coffee shops, they can taste radically different. Imagine going into a bar and they only served one type of beer.

In some cafes there is a choice of a couple of beans, but it can take a while to dial in the grinder right for each bean so you couldn't really be switching between them, so you'd need a different grinder for each bean imo.

driving to cork two weeks ago, paid 3.55 for a coffee in the Topaz....
when the guy asked for said timely sum.. I commented, "oul denis o'brien must be sleeping on silk and holy sheets at them prices"

guy tells me, it's actually owned by the circle "K" a Canadian owned company!!**** them I said.. Canadians taking a bite of the celtic tiger too!!!

something strange is a foot at the circle K!!!!! it;s an 80's movie ref...who gets it??????

johnnyskeleton

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

Are coffee beans more expensive to produce or is it these fancy machines that Centra and others are using making the average price of coffee at €3.

The cost of the beans in your coffee is probably about 10c if even. The other €2 something is pure profit. If these trends continue.....heeyyyy!

OldMrBrennan83

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CalamariFritti

Grayson wrote: »

I put in hot water. It boils faster and the coffee isn't as strong but it means I can drink more. I got my first one at xmas and used it for the first time in Jan and haven't had a problem yet.

What kind of grind are you using?

I love my coffee and have a proper grinder. Most of the time I use my french press and thats really nice. But on occasion I try to make an espresso. I set the grinder to the finest setting and put it in my percolator. Its not awful but its not like what I buy in Costa or even near that. Sometimes its a bit burnt even.

All I have is my electric cooker to put it on. But I'm thinking whats the difference?

Delacent

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

The cost of the beans in your coffee is probably about 10c if even. The other €2 something is pure profit. If these trends continue.....heeyyyy!

2.50 coffee

Vat 21c

The cup and lid 10c

Milk - average assuming 60% latte or cappuccino - 15c

Sugar, stirrer etc, 2c

Coffee beans 15g - 15c-30c depending on quality

Leaves about 1.75 gross profit.

To get same gross profit from fuel, the fuel value would need to be over €50.

The Rape of Lucretia

ScumLord wrote: »

It's incredible how many different types of bean there are out there.

Yeh. There Arabica. Robusta. And.....Arabica, and Arabica. And Robusta. Amazes me anyway. You used to think coffee was just coffee, then you realise there's stuff like, Arabica, Robusta, etc. Or go totally wild with a 'unique' 60-40 blend. Of Arabica and Robusta.

scamalert

Delacent wrote: »

2.50 coffee

Vat 21c

The cup and lid 10c

Milk - average assuming 60% latte or cappuccino - 15c

Sugar, stirrer etc, 2c

Coffee beans 15g - 15c-30c depending on quality

Leaves about 1.75 gross profit.

To get same gross profit from fuel, the fuel value would need to be over €50.

tahat's bout right,minus cost of actual coffee machine which for mid range costs around 8-10k,make it a bit fancier ones like in mcdonalds etc and your looking at 20-30k.for chains to pay that off its matter of days,but for smaller businesses its quite a while,that said still loads of profit in it.And if people are willing to spend over 2e on a cup since to hard to make one at home,then why not.its like in any retail shop,station where they have beverages coke,club orange etc and water at 2e when one can buy bottle of coke for around 1.and even then in most cases they usually sell more water,go figure :pac:

Jack the Stripper

I'll be dusting off the cobwebs off the flask in the morning and expressing my annoyance on the trivial annoyance thread tomorrow.

mzungu

All that's needed is Lidl instant coffee and if you're feeling like living on the edge then the Nespresso pods (also from Lidl) are about as much as anybody needs.

Academic

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/11/investing/smucker-coffee-prices-increase-folgers/

TL/DR:

“Coffee prices have shot up more than 6% in the past month on commodity markets, and they are up nearly 30% in the past year.”

The trend is expected to continue over the short term.

Fiskar

Have enough DG pods to last the year and Illy coffee for the bialetti for another year. By then coffee price should have dropped and it will be time to restock

Grayson

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I love my coffee and have a proper grinder. Most of the time I use my french press and thats really nice. But on occasion I try to make an espresso. I set the grinder to the finest setting and put it in my percolator. Its not awful but its not like what I buy in Costa or even near that. Sometimes its a bit burnt even.

All I have is my electric cooker to put it on. But I'm thinking whats the difference?

I'm using an electric cooker too. My grinds aren't too fine though. It may be that.

Of course it might just be the pot. Mine is a cheap one someone picked up for me in Lidl.

Grayson

Fiskar wrote: »

Have enough DG pods to last the year and Illy coffee for the bialetti for another year. By then coffee price should have dropped and it will be time to restock

I'd need this to store that much coffee.

ArnieSilvia

The Rape of Lucretia wrote:

Yeh. There Arabica. Robusta. And.....Arabica, and Arabica. And Robusta. Amazes me anyway. You used to think coffee was just coffee, then you realise there's stuff like, Arabica, Robusta, etc. Or go totally wild with a 'unique' 60-40 blend. Of Arabica and Robusta.

Not at all!!! I tried a couple of beans and they are very different. Biggest surprise was lavazza, very weak taste (latte anyway) compared to others. First time I tried it, I had to double the coffee amount in my latte.

Graces7

Well, I am very happy with my Nescafe Gold and the occasional Folgers Single that a friend in Texas kindly sends me.

Whereas at present a 200 gm jar in shops costs around E8, a 150 gm refill in ALDI costs E4.69. However sometimes the supermarkets have it on special at around E6 so I stock up then.

When I am out for a while I take a flask of strong black coffee and add milk. I used to get a machine coffee as a treat but they are so weak .

CalamariFritti

mzungu wrote: »

All that's needed is Lidl instant coffee and if you're feeling like living on the edge then the Nespresso pods (also from Lidl) are about as much as anybody needs.

Maybe it's all you need but why presume it's all everyone needs? Maybe you're just not into it?

The difference between instant 'coffee' and a really well brewed cup is huge. It's like saying frozen Tesco burgers out of the microwave and a nice steak from the grill taste the same.

Sam Kade

BattleCorp wrote: »

Some of those coffee machines can easily be €20k +

There is a cheaper alternative, buy a jar of coffee and boil water.

El Horseboxo

Coffee became trendy. Mostly by people who have no idea what a nice coffee actually tastes like. A lot of them probably aren't even drinking coffee but more so some coffee flavored mixture crap you hear people ordering these days. Either way it's increased popularity is an excuse to charge more for it.

ScumLord

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I love my coffee and have a proper grinder. Most of the time I use my french press and thats really nice. But on occasion I try to make an espresso. I set the grinder to the finest setting and put it in my percolator. Its not awful but its not like what I buy in Costa or even near that. Sometimes its a bit burnt even.

You're not making an espresso which would be why it doesn't taste like what you buy in the shop. Espresso is made by forcing the water through tightly packed coffee at pressure. You don't necessarily have to grind the beans to the finest powder, there is an ideal setting for the grind.

I've gotten that burnt taste off a percolator too. Just bring down the heat when you're making the coffee in the percolator, it's slower but the coffee tastes nicer.

Delacent wrote: »

The cup and lid 10c

Milk - average assuming 60% latte or cappuccino - 15c

Sugar, stirrer etc, 2c

Coffee beans 15g - 15c-30c depending on quality

I'd say those costs are a fair bit lower than even that for a business that is selling a lot of coffee.. I'm paying 10c per cup at home for beans so the shop is probably paying half that with the amount they'd have to buy. Doing a quick search shows the best coffee cups cost 15c for a pack of 50 but you can get plenty well below 10c, add bulk discounts on top of that and you're probably down to something like 5c. I'd say things like sugar and stirrer wouldn't even hit a cent each.

Graces7

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Maybe it's all you need but why presume it's all everyone needs? Maybe you're just not into it?

The difference between instant 'coffee' and a really well brewed cup is huge. It's like saying frozen Tesco burgers out of the microwave and a nice steak from the grill taste the same.

Very poor analogy indeed. I enjoy my Nescafe Gold far more than even the Folgers and enjoyment is what it is about.

osarusan

I just use a french press and brew my own with some packets of ground coffee.

Always tastes fine and I much prefer it to any instant I have tasted (Azera is the best instant I've tasted).

I haven't noticed any increase in the prices of the packets.

mzungu

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Maybe it's all you need but why presume it's all everyone needs? Maybe you're just not into it?

The difference between instant 'coffee' and a really well brewed cup is huge. It's like saying frozen Tesco burgers out of the microwave and a nice steak from the grill taste the same.

It might have come across as pontificating in my post but it was not meant that way.

I do like my coffee. I have tried quite a few at source on coffee farms in different countries but was not all that impressed. Maybe their reputation preceded them too much. It wasn't that they tasted horrible but I was take it or leave it about them.

I use my coffee to wake me up in the morning, so going full whack with brewed coffee would a rare indulgence and usually only when somebody else is making it. First thing in the morning all coffee will taste similar to me so there would be little point in spending more money on it when the bog standard Lidl instant/ Nespresso capsules does the trick.

Your Face

Coffee mugs.

Grayson

Graces7 wrote: »

Very poor analogy indeed. I enjoy my Nescafe Gold far more than even the Folgers and enjoyment is what it is about.

It's an accurate analogy. You might like the taste of tesco burgers but that doesn't mean that there isn't a huge difference in taste between a tesco burger and a prime steak. Even though they both come from the same place.

The fact that you prefer instant over the others shows that there is a taste difference. And that's just your taste.

I'm similar with beer. I like drinking and can appreciate an IPA or some microbrew but at the end of the day I'd have an ice cold Heineken over them. And to a beer lovers that's a criminal offence

bodhrandude

I remember the awful days of coffee and chicory, the worst tasting most fowl tasting coffee out there. I stick to Lavassa and my percolator and discovered my local store Mortons of Salthill is selling it for 3.99 for a 250 g pack which is pretty reasonable.

kylith

It's the cost of tea hacking me off atm. €2.30 in some places for a cuppa. Daylight bleedin' robbery.

Graces7

kylith wrote: »

It's the cost of tea hacking me off atm. €2.30 in some places for a cuppa. Daylight bleedin' robbery.

which is why I take a flask...

Graces7

Grayson wrote: »

It's an accurate analogy. You might like the taste of tesco burgers but that doesn't mean that there isn't a huge difference in taste between a tesco burger and a prime steak. Even though they both come from the same place.

The fact that you prefer instant over the others shows that there is a taste difference. And that's just your taste.

I'm similar with beer. I like drinking and can appreciate an IPA or some microbrew but at the end of the day I'd have an ice cold Heineken over them. And to a beer lovers that's a criminal offence

As I would never ever touch a tesco burger or a steak of any kind ...... but point taken....

When I hear someone I like as a friend come out with "I can't function without coffee" or "favourite possession? My Nespresso", I bite my tongue.

Irish Guitarist

It's probably a lot to do with American programmes where supposedly good looking people sit around in coffee shops all day. Years ago the likes of Starbucks would have been laughed out of Ireland but then Friends came along with a cast that had sex and drank triple frappe latte mochaccinos all day.

I don't get the fascination with coffee myself. I could drink a cup of coffee out of politeness if someone handed me one in their house but I'd have to dump about six spoons of sugar in it to hide the taste.