Paris again?

Felix Jones is God

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I wish they would not shoot these lads unless absolutely necessary. I have seen German police disarm lads with knives with brooms. If it was a terrorist, Have no definitive as yet that's what they want a glorious death and huge media coverage.

Nobody trys to disarm a person with a machete, it's a foolish move, not happening in a RL situation ever

darkpagandeath

Felix Jones is God wrote: »

Nobody trys to disarm a person with a machete, it's a foolish move, not happening in a RL situation ever

jmayo

BabyCheeses wrote: »

I'm sure you'll be sticking around this time then. Doesn't look like one of your mates.

I have reported this post as it is libeling me with the inference that I am friends with and support white supremacists.

I am replying to this publicly because I want to see if Boards moderators actually sanction posters of a particular opinion rather than just always sanctioning and threatening those of the opposing viewpoint.

PS for you information I did post in the other thread and have never condoned that attack and actually in my last post there said that the death of the 6 muslims was 6 too many.
Innocent people do not deserve to die for someone elses screwed up cause and most especially in their place of worship.

Skylinehead

jmayo wrote: »

I have reported this post as it is libeling me with the inference that I am friends with and support white supremacists.

I am replying to this publicly because I want to see if Boards moderators actually sanction posters of a particular opinion rather than just always sanctioning and threatening those of the opposing viewpoint.

PS for you information I did post in the other thread and have never condoned that attack and actually in my last post there said that the death of the 6 muslims was 6 too many.
Innocent people do not deserve to die for someone elses screwed up cause and most especially in their place of worship.

Mod: Don't comment on moderation in-thread

dav3

jmayo wrote: »

I have reported this post as it is libeling me with the inference that I am friends with and support white supremacists.

Who exactly is this person libeling[sic]? An anonymous cartoon character on the internet named 'jmayo'?
Not only would jmayo have to reveal his identity, but also have to prove that the other far-right extremists, racists and white supremacists posting on other forums under the name jmayo is not actually him...or her.

Felix Jones is God

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Yes, yes indeed , because a planned 30 man swat move is exactly the same as a split second 1 on 1 knife attack :rolleyes:

jmayo

dav3 wrote: »

Who exactly is this person libeling[sic]? An anonymous cartoon character on the internet named 'jmayo'?
Not only would jmayo have to reveal his identity, but also have to prove that the other far-right extremists, racists and white supremacists posting on other forums under the name jmayo is not actually him...or her.

Ahh FFS.
Are you now saying someone can call another poster anything they like ?
The poster inferred that I was a white supremacist and thus inferring I would probably be happy with an attack by one.
Yes they didn't use my actual given name, but my username on this web forum, but that is still linked to my posts, my posting history, etc.

How would you like if I posted inferring you were something odious that you are not ?

I am not getting into this anymore as it diverts from actual subject and the mods will only be too happy to sanction me.

BabyCheeses

jmayo wrote: »

I have reported this post as it is libeling me with the inference that I am friends with and support white supremacists.

I am replying to this publicly because I want to see if Boards moderators actually sanction posters of a particular opinion rather than just always sanctioning and threatening those of the opposing viewpoint.

PS for you information I did post in the other thread and have never condoned that attack and actually in my last post there said that the death of the 6 muslims was 6 too many.
Innocent people do not deserve to die for someone elses screwed up cause and most especially in their place of worship.

Lol, what a little bitch.

I'm inferring you only want to bitch about Muslims. Keep up the victim complex.

Mod: Banned

Skylinehead

Moving on.

flutered

RobertKK wrote: »

Well good riddance, he will be in jail.

where he could end up being the virgin

Mary63

I think its better to shoot them dead if only from an economic point of view.It costs thousands to keep people in prisons.

I wouldn't be thinking of hatchet mans family at all, I do think of the soldiers families though, so worrying to have your sons and daughters putting themselves in danger to protect us.

SnakePlissken

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

A lot of Muslums were shot. Pointed to a white supremicist. .

As was perfectly demonstrated by last year's mosque attack in Zurich... No wait, that wasn't a white supremacist after all, perhaps it's the murder of the two Imans in New York I'm thinking of, that was carried out by a white supremacist wasn't it... Well no, no it wasn't.

Vital Transformation

Don't bring a knife to a gunfight.

jmayo

This attack is another nail going into the French and more especially Parisian tourist industry.

Numbers visiting the Lourve have been down over the last couple of years and this aint going to help it.

I know statistically some will argue the chance of terrorist attack is very small and there is more chance of being hit by bus, but how many would want to go visit somewhere that is a major target.

And I don't think it is comparable to the likes of London in 1980s/1990s where the PIRA were more interested in causing very expensive widespread damage to infrastructure rather than just killing people.

Mr. Incognito

SnakePlissken wrote: »

As was perfectly demonstrated by last year's mosque attack in Zurich... No wait, that wasn't a white supremacist after all, perhaps it's the murder of the two Imans in New York I'm thinking of, that was carried out by a white supremacist wasn't it... Well no, no it wasn't.

I had to make it my sig due to the sheer volume of posts around here that are logical fallacies but I do admit I enjoy subdividing fallacies into the appropriate category

Your post by my reckoning is a combination of the loaded question fallacy and the sadly overused and rather dull moving the posts fallacy. Lots of posters here call it the strawman argument but I think that's rather cliché these days.

Sadly you don't win a prize or get a sweet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question

b_mac2

I can't wait until LePen gets in to power over there. You can be fückin sure that incidents like this, will be very very rare when she does.

The French won't be told it's just something that they have to put with either.

Laois_Man

b_mac2 wrote: »

I can't wait until LePen gets in to power over there. You can be fückin sure that incidents like this, will be very very rare when she does.

The French won't be told it's just something that they have to put with either.

LePen at the moment is not going to win

However, a couple of major attacks in the next couple of months could change things

b_mac2

Laois_Man wrote: »

LePen at the moment is not going to win

Déjà vu.

HONKEY TONK

Donald Trump

A new radical Islamic terrorist has just attacked in Louvre Museum in Paris. Tourists were locked down. France on edge again. GET SMART U.S.

Twitter

HONKEY TONK

b_mac2 wrote: »

I can't wait until LePen gets in to power over there. You can be fückin sure that incidents like this, will be very very rare when she does.

The French won't be told it's just something that they have to put with either.

If LePen gets into power. The EU will be over.


Ireland will be back in the 1980s

Are you ready for that?

Jelle1880

b_mac2 wrote: »

I can't wait until LePen gets in to power over there. You can be fückin sure that incidents like this, will be very very rare when she does.

The French won't be told it's just something that they have to put with either.

What can Le Pen do to stop these attacks ? Martial law ? Deport 10% of the population ?

I'm genuinely curious, I always read stuff like how the far right candidates will put a halt to it, without anything to back that claim up.

ScrubsfanChris

HONKEY TONK wrote: »

Twitter

https://twitter.com/MintRoyale/status/827504765856841729

^^^ More on the Trump tweet

wes

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MintRoyale/status/827504765856841729

It should be noted that his admin actually blamed the attack in Canada on Muslims and never corrected themselves as well. Its amazing how far right violence is given a complete free past, by the right.

riffmongous

Jelle1880 wrote: »

What can Le Pen do to stop these attacks ? Martial law ? Deport 10% of the population ?

I'm genuinely curious, I always read stuff like how the far right candidates will put a halt to it, without anything to back that claim up.

Maybe she will inspire a few more people to go shoot up mosques and murder?

b_mac2

HONKEY TONK wrote: »

If LePen gets into power. The EU will be over.


Ireland will be back in the 1980s

Are you ready for that?

If it means us leaving the EU, Vive Le Pen!

ceadaoin.

Im glad he was stopped. It's funny how nobody comments on the fact that the streets of many European cities are now patrolled by heavily armed soldiers in full combat gear. It's just the new normal apparently

IvyTheTerrible

b_mac2 wrote: »

I can't wait until LePen gets in to power over there. You can be fückin sure that incidents like this, will be very very rare when she does.

The French won't be told it's just something that they have to put with either.

Unemployment and economic issues are bigger problems for people over here, even if some sections of the media would have us believe that it's not. Marine LePen doesn't have the economic savvy to get France out of the doldrums. But I suppose if she makes a big song and dance about Muslims then no-one will notice...

darkpagandeath

Felix Jones is God wrote: »

Yes, yes indeed , because a planned 30 man swat move is exactly the same as a split second 1 on 1 knife attack :rolleyes:

One said it never happens in Real life.

darkpagandeath

I'm guessing all this is feeding to the right now in France. So France out of the EU if she gets in any takers on bets ?

Jelle1880

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Im glad he was stopped. It's funny how nobody comments on the fact that the streets of many European cities are now patrolled by heavily armed soldiers in full combat gear. It's just the new normal apparently

France has had soldiers on their streets since at least 1995, during the GIA's bombing campaign.

b_mac2 wrote: »

If it means us leaving the EU, Vive Le Pen!

Somehow I always have this idea that people who think like this haven't got a clue what the EU does or doesn't do.
What do you think would be better when out of the EU ?

And don't give me that 'sovereignty' crap

skankkuvhima

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

I had to make it my sig due to the sheer volume of posts around here that are logical fallacies but I do admit I enjoy subdividing fallacies into the appropriate category

Your post by my reckoning is a combination of the loaded question fallacy and the sadly overused and rather dull moving the posts fallacy. Lots of posters here call it the strawman argument but I think that's rather cliché these days.

Sadly you don't win a prize or get a sweet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question

You should be careful of pointing out other peoples fallacies

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fallacy_fallacy

Stigura

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Reminds me of the Brazilian tourist just going about his day in London they shot in the tube.

:eek: Nasty! Couldn't they have just gone for his legs?

ceadaoin.

Jelle1880 wrote: »

France has had soldiers on their streets since at least 1995, during the GIA's bombing campaign.

)

I remember seeing the odd soldier at the airport or some such during my visits years ago but the constant presence of 10,000 of them patrolling tourist sites and shopping malls is a bit different don't you think?

darkpagandeath

Stigura wrote: »

:eek: Nasty! Couldn't they have just gone for his legs?

No, Once the officer shoots he is trained for central mass for a kill shot. It's not Hollywood. Legs and arms are really hard to hit they flail around. Even stuff like the beanbag rounds from shotguns are central mass. Once lethal force is deemed to be used it is applied.

elefant

darkpagandeath wrote: »

No, Once the officer shoots he is trained for central mass for a kill shot. It's not Hollywood. Legs and arms are really hard to hit they flail around. Even stuff like the beanbag rounds from shotguns are central mass. Once lethal force is deemed to be used it is applied.

Think you missed the joke about being shot in the tube.

darkpagandeath

elefant wrote: »

Think you missed the joke about being shot in the tube.

Sorry did not see the "Right up Main street" ref :P

Bob24

Jelle1880 wrote: »

France has had soldiers on their streets since at least 1995, during the GIA's bombing campaign.

I grew-up in France in the 80s/90s and never saw something like the current set-up.

It's not only large cities either. A few months ago I was stopped by armed military while waking in the centre of the fairy small and quite city I grew up in, because there was a bomb threat at the local synagogue and the streets around it were all in lock-down. I haven't lived there for over a decade but this was definitely not something to expect back then and it would have made the headlines of the local paper with possible mentions on national ones - now it is seen as normal.

topper75

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Reminds me of the Brazilian tourist just going about his day in London they shot in the tube.

I remember that case differently. Was he not running from police who shouted at him to stop at a high-tension time in a south London tube station (high tension as in the immediate aftermath of the 07/07/05 tube bombings)?

Still tragic mind you, but not exactly in the 'going about his day' ballpark.

Jelle1880

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I remember seeing the odd soldier at the airport or some such during my visits years ago but the constant presence of 10,000 of them patrolling tourist sites and shopping malls is a bit different don't you think?

Bob24 wrote: »

I grew-up in France in the 80s/90s and never saw something like the current set-up.

It's not only large cities either. A few months ago I was stopped by armed military while waking in the centre of the fairy small and quite city I grew up in, because there was a bomb at the local synagogue and the streets around it were all in lock-down. I haven't lived there for over a decade but this was definitely not something to expect back then and it would have been the headlines of the local paper with possible mentions on national ones - now it is seen as normal.

It definitely increased in scale, but it's not a new phenomenon.

Especially near big tourist areas like in this case.

topper75

topper75 wrote: »

I remember that case differently. Was he not running from police who shouted at him to stop at a high-tension time in a south London tube station (high tension as in the immediate aftermath of the 07/07/05 tube bombings)?

Still tragic mind you, but not exactly in the 'going about his day' ballpark.

I suppose he was wearing a heavy coat with wires sticking out of it too.

topper75

HONKEY TONK wrote: »

If LePen gets into power. The EU will be over.


Ireland will be back in the 1980s

Are you ready for that?

The end of an overreaching bullying federalist basket case institution brings us back in time?!

Step us through that process ...

HONKEY TONK

b_mac2 wrote: »

If it means us leaving the EU, Vive Le Pen!

And How exactly do you see Ireland supporting itself Financially.

You seem to have thought this through

HONKEY TONK

topper75 wrote: »

The end of an overreaching bullying federalist basket case institution brings us back in time?!

Step us through that process ...

I will ask you the same question.

How exactly do you see Ireland supporting itself Financially when the EU is gone.

ScouseMouse

SnakePlissken wrote: »

That terrorist could have been someone's brother, have some empathy FFS

I feel soooooo sorry for a wanker terrorist who attacked people with a knife.

Gyalist

topper75 wrote: »

I remember that case differently. Was he not running from police who shouted at him to stop at a high-tension time in a south London tube station (high tension as in the immediate aftermath of the 07/07/05 tube bombings)?

Still tragic mind you, but not exactly in the 'going about his day' ballpark.

Your memory is faulty as nothing of the sort happened. The inquest into his death established that the initial statements for the Met Police were, to put it kindly, misleading.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jean_Charles_de_Menezes

Billy86

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MintRoyale/status/827504765856841729

^^^ More on the Trump tweet

That's actually incorrect, he did comment on the white supremacist attack. His administration tried to infer muslims/immigrants did it to justify his recent ban, hours after it had come out that that was not the case.

topper75

Deleted User wrote: »

I suppose he was wearing a heavy coat with wires sticking out of it too.

07/07 was backpacks. If you fully appreciated those circumstances, you will know the officers were simply executing their less than enviable duties that day.

Very tough for that Brazilian lad's family. He had his whole life ahead of him. But all of us as adults are responsible for our actions. When police shout Stop!, the best course of action is...

Bob24

ScouseMouse wrote: »

I feel soooooo sorry for a wanker terrorist who attacked people with a knife.

Maybe a detail, but he didn't attack anyone with a knife - he more specifically attacked military personnel in charge of the safety of one of the most visited museums in the world with 2 machetes.

Grayson

topper75 wrote: »

07/07 was backpacks. If you fully appreciated those circumstances, you will know the officers were simply executing their less than enviable duties that day.

Very tough for that Brazilian lad's family. He had his whole life ahead of him. But all of us as adults are responsible for our actions. When police shout Stop!, the best course of action is...

And to be fair, he had brown skin and that was his own fault.

topper75

HONKEY TONK wrote: »

I will ask you the same question.

How exactly do you see Ireland supporting itself Financially when the EU is gone.

It borrows on money markets that will not cease to exist after the EU's demise.

Moreover, the main driver behind govt revenue in Ireland (FDI due to tax concessions) would have the spectre of EU meddling ("tax harmonisation" and back payment threats) removed from the stage.